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:Hi [[User:Shanen|Shanen]], Could you be more specific about which edits are supporting spam? Thanks! [[User:Cxbrx|Cxbrx]] ([[User talk:Cxbrx|talk]]) 20:34, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Shanen|Shanen]], Could you be more specific about which edits are supporting spam? Thanks! [[User:Cxbrx|Cxbrx]] ([[User talk:Cxbrx|talk]]) 20:34, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
::I would if I could, but it would be extremely difficult. It's easy to see that the scamming spammers are using Wikipedia's credibility as part of their scams, but hard to guess how. The basic problem is that they can wrap their scams around the articles as they exist, or they could reverse course and vandalize the articles to fit around the scam. Basically it would depend on the balance between their adaptability and their experience in scamming suckers. I strongly suspect that there are certain features of their scams that work better than others, and they know which ones because that's where they got money from previous suckers. Therefore they could search Wikipedia for matching articles, or they could make the articles match. I think it makes more sense to go after the part that's easy to see. If they send out a bunch of spam referencing Wikipedia, then any person who receives the spam can notify someone on the Wikipedia side, and then that link to Wikipedia could be turned against the spamming scammer, per my suggestion. The warning doesn't have to be permanent, but just knowing that their email spam will quickly become a warning to the potential suckers should be enough to deter the rational spammers. Unfortunately, I think they are pretty rationale in seeking money. [[User:Shanen|Shanen]] ([[User talk:Shanen|talk]]) 18:58, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
::I would if I could, but it would be extremely difficult. It's easy to see that the scamming spammers are using Wikipedia's credibility as part of their scams, but hard to guess how. The basic problem is that they can wrap their scams around the articles as they exist, or they could reverse course and vandalize the articles to fit around the scam. Basically it would depend on the balance between their adaptability and their experience in scamming suckers. I strongly suspect that there are certain features of their scams that work better than others, and they know which ones because that's where they got money from previous suckers. Therefore they could search Wikipedia for matching articles, or they could make the articles match. I think it makes more sense to go after the part that's easy to see. If they send out a bunch of spam referencing Wikipedia, then any person who receives the spam can notify someone on the Wikipedia side, and then that link to Wikipedia could be turned against the spamming scammer, per my suggestion. The warning doesn't have to be permanent, but just knowing that their email spam will quickly become a warning to the potential suckers should be enough to deter the rational spammers. Unfortunately, I think they are pretty rationale in seeking money. [[User:Shanen|Shanen]] ([[User talk:Shanen|talk]]) 18:58, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

{{Talk:Steve Fossett/GA1}}

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Good articleSteve Fossett has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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Too much unnecessary detail?

In the section about the finding of the wreckage and his body parts? This whole section

  • This fact does not explain how the ends of the aerobatic harness he was wearing could have come free from the 5-point cam-lock, considering that their release requires the cam-lock knob be twisted a quarter-turn. Manipulating the cam-lock could not have been accomplished by someone other than Fossett. According to interviews by the Discovery Channel (who provided a camera crew the day after his FAA ID and $1,005 were found by a hiker) the one fact that disputes the official findings was the location of hardware that had been part of the pilot's harness. Pilots who knew him were interviewed by the Discovery Channel for a January 2009 documentary on the incident in which they expressed certainty that the harness could have been released by any animal that may have moved his body. The reason for their opinion pertains to the mechanism (twisting) required to release the harness and the fact that no other hardware was attached. However, there is no evidence to suggest that this harness was in use or being worn at the time of the crash.

Seems over the top. Besides - if you have seen the footage of the wreckage, heavily mangled and crumpled, and no large pieces surviving, it is not beyond belief that the force of the crash could easily have destroyed the harness. And don't get me talking about the programme I watched last night (The Sierra Nevada Triangle, on Channel 4) in which a Mammoth Lakes Park Ranger insisted that bears wouldn't have moved his body/body parts and that the explanation for his remains being found so far from the crash site was that he had crawled up there. Puh-lease! And this ranger said he had seen the crash wreckage. There was no way anyone would survive a crash that did that to the plane. 12:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)86.148.48.248 (talk)

That ranger said the bears are too lazy to travel that far, unless there were some in the area. You have to remember, there were probably other wild animals in the area that could have gotten to him. And I've seen people survirve stranger things. Such as that person who was buried for 12 days in a collapsed building in the Haiti quake last month. Crash Underride 03:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Could or could not?

Is the passage "in which they expressed certainty that the harness could have been released by any animal" quoted properly? In either event, it is not clear to me what is being suggested... SalineBrain (talk) 18:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Crowdsourcing possibly successful?

Does anyone know whether the crowdsourcing effort WOULD have detected the crash site by computer program scan, once the actual crash site location was known? Wouldn't this be of interest to searchers for the future? SalineBrain (talk) 18:53, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I took part in the Mechanical Turk search and spotted a wrecked plane in one of my squares. As well as flagging it up I contacted the search organisers by email. I heard nothing back (unsurprising as they were busy), but much later heard on the news that through the crowdsourcing, several new crash sites had been identified, as well as quite a few planes already known to have come down in the area and whose location had already been established by the authorities. My questions are - was anything done with the knowledge from the crowdsourcing search about the new crash sites? Were they investigated on the ground? How many new crash sites were discovered by the collaborative effort? 81.156.125.126 (talk) 15:31, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Zeppelin pilot licenses

I've moved this comment from the article:

  • The previous statement requires additional clarification. No special "license" is needed to fly the Zeppelin NT other than a standard, "Lighter-Than-Air, Airship" rating (under United States jurisdiction.) There are well in excess of 30 pilots worldwide with current, airship ratings, both at the time Fosset was flying and now.[1]

The number may be 17 or 30, but the source says 17. Is there a source for 30?   Will Beback  talk  22:03, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, here's the source used in the article: Steve Fossett: Always “Scouting for New Adventures” Part 2, dated October 2006.   Will Beback  talk  00:27, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Remains

It is not clear from the article whether 2 bones constitute the total discovered remains or whether a body was recovered. The determination of cause of death suggests the latter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.109.15 (talk) 02:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Business Career" vs. "Trading Career"

That section in this article quite properly began, and should remain, entitled "Business Career," during the first fifteen years of which we can document with reliable sources Fossett's significant success at supporting himself by selling his services, but not by trading. There are no independent, reliable sources to support the notion that anyone at the Chicago Board of Trade regarded him as a successful commodities trader, nor as a manager of trading, whether for himself, his family or for any others. I've removed those recurring revisions that give such an impression in the absence of satisfactory support.

— Wordsmith (talk) 22:08, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for Land Speed Sites

I'm guessing this has been covered, but I'm looking for a citation that states that Fossett was not looking for sites for a land speed record attempt. I see http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/04/fossett.missing/index.html, which quotes Major Ryan of the Civil Air Patrol as saying " 'Steve took off toward the south and was going to fly southbound, looking around for some dry lake beds for some plans he had for the future,'" ... "Those plans, she said, involved testing a vehicle in an attempt to set a world land speed record."

I've marked that sentence as Citation needed and would be very happy if someone was able to provide a better citation about his intentions or one that refutes the above CNN article. 23:49, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I failed to sign the above. Cxbrx (talk) 23:52, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Article is being used to support spam

Should also be monitored for vandalism by the same spammers trying to hype their scams more aggressively. Perhaps that's what all the link modifications are about? I still think the obvious solution, assuming Wikipedia actually wanted to prevent scamming spammers from abusing Wikipedia's reputation as part of the scams, would be to annotate any article to that effect as soon as the spammers start linking to it. Put a clear warning at the beginning of the article, perhaps with a link to the specific category of spam. Today's is pretty clearly a 419 fee payment scam so the corrective link should tell suckers not to believe 419 scams. Shanen (talk) 11:04, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Shanen, Could you be more specific about which edits are supporting spam? Thanks! Cxbrx (talk) 20:34, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would if I could, but it would be extremely difficult. It's easy to see that the scamming spammers are using Wikipedia's credibility as part of their scams, but hard to guess how. The basic problem is that they can wrap their scams around the articles as they exist, or they could reverse course and vandalize the articles to fit around the scam. Basically it would depend on the balance between their adaptability and their experience in scamming suckers. I strongly suspect that there are certain features of their scams that work better than others, and they know which ones because that's where they got money from previous suckers. Therefore they could search Wikipedia for matching articles, or they could make the articles match. I think it makes more sense to go after the part that's easy to see. If they send out a bunch of spam referencing Wikipedia, then any person who receives the spam can notify someone on the Wikipedia side, and then that link to Wikipedia could be turned against the spamming scammer, per my suggestion. The warning doesn't have to be permanent, but just knowing that their email spam will quickly become a warning to the potential suckers should be enough to deter the rational spammers. Unfortunately, I think they are pretty rationale in seeking money. Shanen (talk) 18:58, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Steve Fossett/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This GA was promoted in in 2007 before his remains were found. Article contains major claims that are not cited. The writing is also quite poor in some places. There should not be so much text dedicated to trivia such as the watch he wasn't wearing. I've gone ahead and trimmed some of it. Schierbecker (talk) 04:57, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could you perhaps move towards a close? Would be good to close out remaining individual GARs now that the processes are merged. Femke (alt) (talk) 08:55, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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