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:This is not the place to argue article content. For that, take it to the talk pages of the articles where you added unsourced material. The issue is that, as I answered on your user talk, you changed the sourced content without providing a new, [[WP:RS|reliable source]] (or any sourcing at all), to support your changes. In some cases you only slightly altered the meaning, but in others you did a complete reversal of what the sources say. Please read the links that I provided in the welcome message, use reliable sources and seek consensus on article talk before trying to re-add any of this content. If you think the current citations support your changes, please provide quotes from those sources on the talk pages. Best, - [[User:CorbieVreccan|<span style="color: #660099;"><strong>CorbieVreccan</strong></span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:CorbieVreccan|☊]]</sup> [[WP:SPIDER|☼]] 01:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC) |
:This is not the place to argue article content. For that, take it to the talk pages of the articles where you added unsourced material. The issue is that, as I answered on your user talk, you changed the sourced content without providing a new, [[WP:RS|reliable source]] (or any sourcing at all), to support your changes. In some cases you only slightly altered the meaning, but in others you did a complete reversal of what the sources say. Please read the links that I provided in the welcome message, use reliable sources and seek consensus on article talk before trying to re-add any of this content. If you think the current citations support your changes, please provide quotes from those sources on the talk pages. Best, - [[User:CorbieVreccan|<span style="color: #660099;"><strong>CorbieVreccan</strong></span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:CorbieVreccan|☊]]</sup> [[WP:SPIDER|☼]] 01:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC) |
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::could you elaborate please, what did I write that was "a complete reversal of what the sources say"? Thanks. And I sincerely apologize that this was not the place to argue article content, I was not aware, I am not a wikipedia pro. But can you at least read my rationale and try to understand my point of view, and tell me if you agree or not? Thanks again [[User:Xadiiujhy|Xadiiujhy]] ([[User talk:Xadiiujhy|talk]]) 01:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC) |
::could you elaborate please, what did I write that was "a complete reversal of what the sources say"? Thanks. And I sincerely apologize that this was not the place to argue article content, I was not aware, I am not a wikipedia pro. But can you at least read my rationale and try to understand my point of view, and tell me if you agree or not? Thanks again [[User:Xadiiujhy|Xadiiujhy]] ([[User talk:Xadiiujhy|talk]]) 01:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC) |
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::and I didn't provide new, reliable source, because what I wrote came from the sources already provided as I explained in my first comment above [[User:Xadiiujhy|Xadiiujhy]] ([[User talk:Xadiiujhy|talk]]) 01:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC) |
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It seems patently obvious you are editing Wikipedia with a political agenda in mind. I daresay this comment will do nothing to open your until now closed mind. But I implore you to look carefully at your own views, and ask yourself if you are truly editing from a neutral point of view. 37.60.86.150 (talk) 02:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Interesting. This is the only edit from this IP. See WP:LOUTSOCK. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 02:14, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. You're the driveby tagger: 37.60.86.146 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Read my edit summary. Read up on policies. Learn how to be a contributor in good standing. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 02:20, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Calmly ignoring the issue, as I suspected you would. It is a disappointment, but not a surprise. 81.128.131.170 (talk) 09:50, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Not ignored. IP-hopping activity noted and being watched. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:56, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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Honorary tribal membership
Thank you for your input. I could, as the sole person involved in editing the category, empty it and speedy delete. And then we could have a discussion on the Indigenous WikiProject page. I previously brought up the idea of having on article on this subject. Be well. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 22:35, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- There was a list that was deleted back in 2016: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of honorary Native Americans. There would be no way to effectively cite this info, and its notability would be dubious. Thanks! Yuchitown (talk) 23:11, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown
- Thank you, @User:Yuchitown for alerting me, I didn't know that there was once an article. Pinging, @User:Indigenous girl. I will empty and blank the category for deletion. Thank you all for the constructive criticism. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 00:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for your flexibility! Yuchitown (talk) 00:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown
- Thank you, @User:Yuchitown for alerting me, I didn't know that there was once an article. Pinging, @User:Indigenous girl. I will empty and blank the category for deletion. Thank you all for the constructive criticism. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 00:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, I'd appreciate it. If you flag it, I can delete it. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 04:49, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, I see Liz pushed the button. Relieved. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 04:52, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
indigenous peoples of the Americas, indigenous peoples of Siberia
Hi, I see that you removed my contributions to the above two pages. I would like to explain my rationale for what I edited and then maybe you can elaborate on whether you agree? So, on the indigenous peoples of the Americas wiki, under the genetics section, I changed: "Native Americans are very closely related to the Paleosiberian tribes of Siberia, and to the ancient samples of the Mal'ta–Buret' culture (Ancient North Eurasians) as well as to the Ancient Beringians, but overall not closely related to any other population. Although Native Americans also share relative higher affinity towards East Asian peoples, they are not directly related, but share partial ancestry with each other" to "Native Americans are very closely related to the Paleosiberian tribes of Siberia. Native Americans also share high genetic affinity to the Ancient Beringians, East Asian peoples, and to the ancient samples of the Mal'ta–Buret' culture (Ancient North Eurasians)." I did not provide sources because the sources that were already provided came to the same conclusion. The Reference [294] "Upper Palaeolithic Siberian genome reveals dual ancestry of Native Americans" shows in the supplementary information file, I believe on page 76, titled "SI 12. MixMapper Analysis," that Karitiana, their Native American reference population, had 26.1% MA1/ANE ancestry with the remainder (73.9%) coming from Han/East Asians. Thus, I was confused when it stated on the wiki page that Native Americans are very closely related to the ancient samples of the Max'ta-Buret culture... but overall not closely related to any other population, and then saying that they are not directly related to East Asians. How can it say that they are very closely related to ANE but not directly related to East Asians, when East Asians makes up a larger proportion (majority) of their ancestry, compared to ANE? That's what I was confused about, and that's why I reordered the sentence, to include East Asians under closely related and before ANE, but after ancient beringsians and paleosiberians. And regarding the indigenous peoples of Siberia wiki page, I just changed the wording from saying that native Americans have deeply European-related ancestry to saying that they have ANE ancestry. Firstly, deeply in this context means that the two populations separated long ago, so their relationship is "deep" into the past, and I feel a clarifier may be needed because most people that read that may misinterpret deep as being very closely related when in fact shallowly diverged means closely related and deeply diverged means the opposite. secondly, according to the source they cite, reference [27] "The population history of northeastern Siberia since the Pleistocene", it states in the paper, "Demographic modelling of the high-coverage individual Yana1 using a site-frequency-spectrum-based framework indicates an early divergence of the ANS lineage at about 39 ka (95% confidence interval (CI) 32.2–45.8 ka), concomitant with substantial gene flow (approximately 29%; 95% CI 21.3–40.1%) from East Asians, an event that probably occurred very soon after the latter diverged from West Eurasians 43.1 ka (95% CI 33.4–48.6 ka) (Fig. 2a, Supplementary Information 7). Thus, the ANS population represents a distinct lineage with affinities to both early West Eurasians and early East Asians, albeit in a 2:1 ratio." So they're saying that the ancient north Siberian lineage separated from West Eurasians soon after it split from East Asians, and so are not particularly more related to west eurasians than they are to East Asians, and it has approx. 29% gene flow from early East Asians. so to call it European is misleading and that's why I just changed the wording to refer to ANE by their name instead of a "deeply European related population." I personally find it exhausting to see europeans try to insert themselves into the genetics of Siberia and America, and to see the Eurocentrism all over academia, so that is why I made the revisions I did. And I didn't cite sources because they were my conclusions from the sources already cited.I would love to hear your response surrounding this though, let me know what you think. Xadiiujhy (talk) 01:06, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- This is not the place to argue article content. For that, take it to the talk pages of the articles where you added unsourced material. The issue is that, as I answered on your user talk, you changed the sourced content without providing a new, reliable source (or any sourcing at all), to support your changes. In some cases you only slightly altered the meaning, but in others you did a complete reversal of what the sources say. Please read the links that I provided in the welcome message, use reliable sources and seek consensus on article talk before trying to re-add any of this content. If you think the current citations support your changes, please provide quotes from those sources on the talk pages. Best, - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 01:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- could you elaborate please, what did I write that was "a complete reversal of what the sources say"? Thanks. And I sincerely apologize that this was not the place to argue article content, I was not aware, I am not a wikipedia pro. But can you at least read my rationale and try to understand my point of view, and tell me if you agree or not? Thanks again Xadiiujhy (talk) 01:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- and I didn't provide new, reliable source, because what I wrote came from the sources already provided as I explained in my first comment above Xadiiujhy (talk) 01:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC)