Talk:Sam Smith

Disclaimer: Pronouns

Sam Smith uses they/them pronouns because they are genderqueer. So don’t get confused and change them to he/him. PedigreeWWEFigz87V2 (talk) 21:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I would think "They grew up" should be changed to "Samuel grew up", since this comes right after a mention of Samuel's parents, and might sound like it's referring to them. 79.60.232.33 (talk) 07:07, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Quotations

How do we feel about this edit which seeks to remove three quotations as excessive?

I have reverted this as the quotes do not seem excessive to me but this has been disputed. In my view, the first quote (about the break up) is the most borderline one. That gives some worthwhile insight into Smith's relationship but if other people were to argue that it is non-essential then I could see that argument. The other two quotes are much more easily defensible. These contextualise Smith's genderqueer identity and choice of pronouns in a significant way. It is important to understand that non-binary is not a single third gender but a collective term for all genders which are not the two binary ones. This encompasses a huge range of possibilities. The quotes give readers a flavour of what gender specifically means to Smith which the word "genderqueer" alone can not provide. Similarly the pronouns quote is worthwhile because Smith has said what the pronouns mean to them personally. Of course, nobody is obligated to explain their pronouns to the world, but Smith has chosen to do so and I think this is worth noting. None of the quotes are long rambling discursions and I think they are worth retaining. So, let's see what everybody else thinks. DanielRigal (talk) 18:29, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Gynecomastia

Gynecomastia is the abnormal presence of female breasts in males. According to the source cited, Sam Smith is neither male nor female, but is their "own special creation." So the breasts that were removed at age 12 could not have been the result of gynecomastia, they were just normal breasts. The source also doesn't use the word gynecomastia. Baller McGee (talk) 18:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

This is original synthesis on your part. You might be right that this is not adequately referenced but it is perfectly plausible that Smith, who was assigned male at birth and assumed to be a boy as a child, could have been diagnosed with gynecomastia. How on earth would a doctor have known that Smith was non-binary years before Smith was able to come out? I am not against removing the term, if nobody can find a better reference for it, but only due to the referencing issue and certainly not for the other reason you attempt to argue. DanielRigal (talk) 19:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

This is disingenuous arguing. It's called gynecomastia and not breast formation because it's unusual in biological males and happens for different reasons than it does for biological females. This is not a gender issue. Prinsgezinde (talk) 22:20, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Klinefelter syndrome

I am wondering why this genetic condition was not addressed prior to putting a 12 year old, who had not fully grown into his hormones, into surgery. Or a hormone profile? 35.140.11.70 (talk) 19:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)