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=== Discussion ===
=== Discussion ===
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{{BotTrial|edits=25}} <small>—<font face="Trebuchet MS">'''[[User:Reedy|<font color="darkred">Ree</font>]][[User talk:Reedy|<font color="darkred">dy</font>]]'''</font></small> 10:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
{{BotTrial|edits=25}} <small>—<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:Reedy|<span style="color:darkred;">Ree</span>]][[User talk:Reedy|<span style="color:darkred;">dy</span>]]'''</span></small> 10:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
*The bot already has problems. On [[Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations#Ancalagon_.E2.86.90_Ancalagon_fr|this]],[[Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations#Rave_.E2.86.90_Alex_Rave|this]] and [[Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations#Ancalagon_.E2.86.90_Ancalagon_fr|this]] request, the bot says the account was created within six months; this is not true. On [[Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations#Flo89_.E2.86.90_Flo89_1|this request]], it does not make note of the number of edits the requesting editor has. (While SUL sometimes makes this irrelevant, there was no such claim here, and after the SUL influx, such notes will still be needed.) The bot makes note that the target account has not been notified; this isn't particularly helpful — people usually do it for them. [[Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations#Sk_.E2.86.90_Sk-ru|Here]], there are edits of which the bot did not make note, and made note of nonexistent deleted edits (How, by the way, can the bot see these?). It will [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215541897&oldid=215541564 revert][https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215542361&oldid=215541897 war] [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215542494&oldid=215542361] [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215543448&oldid=215543424] after irrelevant notices are removed. [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215543424&oldid=215542735 Example] [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215544574&oldid=215544487 number] [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215547715&oldid=215546845 two]. (The CHU bot did this as well.) While I see a bot for CHU as helpful, I'm not so sure it is at CHU/U. There are many more aspects of requests at CHU/U than at CHU, and I don't think a bot can really do everything needed. It will still require humans to examine the requests, which defeats the purpose. '''[[User:Seresin|seresin]] ( [[User talk:Seresin|¡?]] )''' 17:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
*The bot already has problems. On [[Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations#Ancalagon_.E2.86.90_Ancalagon_fr|this]],[[Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations#Rave_.E2.86.90_Alex_Rave|this]] and [[Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations#Ancalagon_.E2.86.90_Ancalagon_fr|this]] request, the bot says the account was created within six months; this is not true. On [[Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations#Flo89_.E2.86.90_Flo89_1|this request]], it does not make note of the number of edits the requesting editor has. (While SUL sometimes makes this irrelevant, there was no such claim here, and after the SUL influx, such notes will still be needed.) The bot makes note that the target account has not been notified; this isn't particularly helpful — people usually do it for them. [[Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations#Sk_.E2.86.90_Sk-ru|Here]], there are edits of which the bot did not make note, and made note of nonexistent deleted edits (How, by the way, can the bot see these?). It will [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215541897&oldid=215541564 revert][https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215542361&oldid=215541897 war] [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215542494&oldid=215542361] [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215543448&oldid=215543424] after irrelevant notices are removed. [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215543424&oldid=215542735 Example] [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215544574&oldid=215544487 number] [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215547715&oldid=215546845 two]. (The CHU bot did this as well.) While I see a bot for CHU as helpful, I'm not so sure it is at CHU/U. There are many more aspects of requests at CHU/U than at CHU, and I don't think a bot can really do everything needed. It will still require humans to examine the requests, which defeats the purpose. '''[[User:Seresin|seresin]] ( [[User talk:Seresin|¡?]] )''' 17:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
::Well, trials are used to find problems with the bot, so thank you for reporting them. However [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/api.php?action=query&list=allusers&aufrom=Ancalagon&aulimit=1&auprop=registration this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/api.php?action=query&list=allusers&aufrom=Rave&aulimit=1&auprop=registration this] say that the users were created recently. I can make it make a notation of edits, but I didn't see a place in {{tl|CUU}} to do so. The {{tl|CUU}} template has a place for a <tt>|notified=</tt> parameter. ClueBot VI just checks to see if a signed note by the person asking to usurp was left on the talk page of the account they wish to usurp. I can make it totally ignore this, if you want. About the edits that the bot didn't notice, that was a bug which I've now fixed :) It detects deleted edits by counting the total edits (including deleted edits), then counting the visible edits, then taking the difference. As for the edit warring, I didn't think that someone would remove the CUU template without leaving another, correct one. If there is a {{tl|CUU}} template or a {{tl|Clerk note}} template on the thread, the bot skips over it, otherwise it tries to add its info to it. All this bot does is lookup the information to go in the parameters of {{tl|CUU}}. I am quite open to suggestions and modifications to the way it works. -- [[User:Cobi|Cobi]]<sup>([[User talk:Cobi|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cobi|c]]|[[User:ClueBot Commons/Bots|b]])</sup> 19:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
::Well, trials are used to find problems with the bot, so thank you for reporting them. However [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/api.php?action=query&list=allusers&aufrom=Ancalagon&aulimit=1&auprop=registration this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/api.php?action=query&list=allusers&aufrom=Rave&aulimit=1&auprop=registration this] say that the users were created recently. I can make it make a notation of edits, but I didn't see a place in {{tl|CUU}} to do so. The {{tl|CUU}} template has a place for a <tt>|notified=</tt> parameter. ClueBot VI just checks to see if a signed note by the person asking to usurp was left on the talk page of the account they wish to usurp. I can make it totally ignore this, if you want. About the edits that the bot didn't notice, that was a bug which I've now fixed :) It detects deleted edits by counting the total edits (including deleted edits), then counting the visible edits, then taking the difference. As for the edit warring, I didn't think that someone would remove the CUU template without leaving another, correct one. If there is a {{tl|CUU}} template or a {{tl|Clerk note}} template on the thread, the bot skips over it, otherwise it tries to add its info to it. All this bot does is lookup the information to go in the parameters of {{tl|CUU}}. I am quite open to suggestions and modifications to the way it works. -- [[User:Cobi|Cobi]]<sup>([[User talk:Cobi|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cobi|c]]|[[User:ClueBot Commons/Bots|b]])</sup> 19:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
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::::I do hope this robot proposal is eventually accepted: overall, my impressions have been very good.
::::I do hope this robot proposal is eventually accepted: overall, my impressions have been very good.


::::[[User:AGK|<font color="#2A8B31">'''Anthøny'''</font>]] 19:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::::[[User:AGK|<span style="color:#2A8B31;">'''Anthøny'''</span>]] 19:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Damn bots, replacing us humans wherever they can! Seriously though, I think this is a fantastic idea, especially with the wave of SUL-related requests we're getting. Hope this succeeds, will be a great help once the bugs are fixed. <small style="font:bold 12px Trebuchet MS;display:inline;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;">[[User:Richard0612|<font color="#630">RichardΩ612</font>]] [[User talk:Richard0612| ''Ɣ'']] [[Special:Contributions/Richard0612|''ɸ'']] 19:47, May 29, 2008 (UTC)</small>
:::::Damn bots, replacing us humans wherever they can! Seriously though, I think this is a fantastic idea, especially with the wave of SUL-related requests we're getting. Hope this succeeds, will be a great help once the bugs are fixed. <small style="font:bold 12px Trebuchet MS;display:inline;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;">[[User:Richard0612|<span style="color:#630;">RichardΩ612</span>]] [[User talk:Richard0612| ''Ɣ'']] [[Special:Contributions/Richard0612|''ɸ'']] 19:47, May 29, 2008 (UTC)</small>
:::::@AGK with regard to the template. The point is that in order to become aware of other notes needed to be made, a human will still need to evaluate the request. Therefore, the bot is not really saving us much effort, because we still need to check the request. There are just many more variables that need to be examined in /U requests, and I do not believe a bot is an effective tool. As a side note, I presume the bot sends the e-mail when it notes that "an email has been sent by a clerk or bureaucrat to notify them of this request."? '''[[User:Seresin|seresin]] ( [[User talk:Seresin|¡?]] )''' 23:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::@AGK with regard to the template. The point is that in order to become aware of other notes needed to be made, a human will still need to evaluate the request. Therefore, the bot is not really saving us much effort, because we still need to check the request. There are just many more variables that need to be examined in /U requests, and I do not believe a bot is an effective tool. As a side note, I presume the bot sends the e-mail when it notes that "an email has been sent by a clerk or bureaucrat to notify them of this request."? '''[[User:Seresin|seresin]] ( [[User talk:Seresin|¡?]] )''' 23:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I'm afraid I'm not following. The bot is essentially doing half of the job for you, and yet, because there's a little more to do, the bot is not helping? The maths is pretty straight: assuming the bot eliminates 50% of the workload, there's 50% left... but that's still a 50% reduction in workload. How then, can it be said that the bot is not an effective tool? [[User:AGK|<font color="#2A8B31">'''Anthøny'''</font>]] 23:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I'm afraid I'm not following. The bot is essentially doing half of the job for you, and yet, because there's a little more to do, the bot is not helping? The maths is pretty straight: assuming the bot eliminates 50% of the workload, there's 50% left... but that's still a 50% reduction in workload. How then, can it be said that the bot is not an effective tool? [[User:AGK|<span style="color:#2A8B31;">'''Anthøny'''</span>]] 23:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::The bot does not ever fill the email parameter with "sent", only with "yes" or "no". So the bot should never say "an email has been sent by a clerk or bureaucrat to notify them of this request." If it did, then someone modified the bot's comment. -- [[User:Cobi|Cobi]]<sup>([[User talk:Cobi|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cobi|c]]|[[User:ClueBot Commons/Bots|b]])</sup> 03:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::The bot does not ever fill the email parameter with "sent", only with "yes" or "no". So the bot should never say "an email has been sent by a clerk or bureaucrat to notify them of this request." If it did, then someone modified the bot's comment. -- [[User:Cobi|Cobi]]<sup>([[User talk:Cobi|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cobi|c]]|[[User:ClueBot Commons/Bots|b]])</sup> 03:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::See [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215825153&oldid=215823530 here] for an example of someone changing the bot's comment. -- [[User:Cobi|Cobi]]<sup>([[User talk:Cobi|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cobi|c]]|[[User:ClueBot Commons/Bots|b]])</sup> 03:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::See [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=215825153&oldid=215823530 here] for an example of someone changing the bot's comment. -- [[User:Cobi|Cobi]]<sup>([[User talk:Cobi|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cobi|c]]|[[User:ClueBot Commons/Bots|b]])</sup> 03:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
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:{{Done}} - Can I get approval or another trial? -- [[User:Cobi|Cobi]]<sup>([[User talk:Cobi|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cobi|c]]|[[User:ClueBot Commons/Bots|b]])</sup> 20:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:{{Done}} - Can I get approval or another trial? -- [[User:Cobi|Cobi]]<sup>([[User talk:Cobi|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cobi|c]]|[[User:ClueBot Commons/Bots|b]])</sup> 20:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::{{BotTrial|edits=25}} Note I cannot give a full approval, due to me having a partial COI with [[User:SoxBot VI]]. [[User:Soxred93|'''''<span style="font-family:cursive;letter-spacing: 2px;font-variant:small-caps;color:#008000;">Soxred </span>''''']][[User talk:Soxred93|''<span style="color:#008000;">93</span>'']] 21:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::{{BotTrial|edits=25}} Note I cannot give a full approval, due to me having a partial COI with [[User:SoxBot VI]]. [[User:Soxred93|'''''<span style="font-family:cursive;letter-spacing: 2px;font-variant:small-caps;color:#008000;">Soxred </span>''''']][[User talk:Soxred93|''<span style="color:#008000;">93</span>'']] 21:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Agree with the decision for another trial: just to establish that the minor niggles with the specifics of how the bot's functions are ironed out. [[User:AGK|<font color="#2A8B31">'''Anthøny'''</font>]] 21:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Agree with the decision for another trial: just to establish that the minor niggles with the specifics of how the bot's functions are ironed out. [[User:AGK|<span style="color:#2A8B31;">'''Anthøny'''</span>]] 21:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:{{Done}} - Can I get approval? -- [[User:Cobi|Cobi]]<sup>([[User talk:Cobi|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cobi|c]]|[[User:ClueBot Commons/Bots|b]])</sup> 12:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:{{Done}} - Can I get approval? -- [[User:Cobi|Cobi]]<sup>([[User talk:Cobi|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cobi|c]]|[[User:ClueBot Commons/Bots|b]])</sup> 12:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
::What happened [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=prev&oldid=216582281#Mollerup-no_.E2.86.92_Mollerup here] and especially [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=prev&oldid=216579373 here]? Other than those, I don't see a problem approving. [[User:SQL|<span style="font-size:7pt;color: #fff;background:#900;border:2px solid #999">SQL</span>]][[User talk:SQL|<sup style="font-size: 5pt;color:#999">Query me!</sup>]] 07:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::What happened [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=prev&oldid=216582281#Mollerup-no_.E2.86.92_Mollerup here] and especially [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations&diff=prev&oldid=216579373 here]? Other than those, I don't see a problem approving. [[User:SQL|<span style="font-size:7pt;color: #fff;background:#900;border:2px solid #999">SQL</span>]][[User talk:SQL|<sup style="font-size: 5pt;color:#999">Query me!</sup>]] 07:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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