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-== Personal life in lead ==
-Her relationships with [[Russell Brand]] & [[Orlando Bloom]] should be in the lead. They're high-profile, long-term relationships with very notable entertainers. The first included a marriage & divorce; the second includes a very long engagement & a daughter. This article is a biography; it's about her life, not merely her career. Likewise, the lead should be a summary of the article & of her life, not merely of her career. There's no doubt that both are major parts of her life (public as well as private) & are a world away from irrelevant, long-forgotten, trivial flings. [[User:Jim Michael 2|Jim Michael 2]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael 2|talk]]) 08:05, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
-:While nobody could reasonably deny the fame of those guys, I don't see how that on its own would automatically warrant inclusion as you seem to think. Same goes being engaged/married to somebody or having children with them. It just feels like shoehorning to add them in, especially as a short paragraph when just about everything else there is more focused on KP's professional endeavors. Are they long-term? Yes. Do such relationships have as much prominence as her career? I'm not so sure. This isn't like how Mariah Carey's first husband Tommy Mottola worked on several of her albums or other couples who are famous for their joint work together like Linda and Paul McCartney being part of The Wings, how Jerry Stiller and Anne Meara made up [[Stiller and Meara]], or how Jay-Z and Beyoncé formed [[The Carters]] and have other songs together. Overall, I'm more inclined to save relationship details for infobox and article body here. [[User:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b>]] ([[User talk:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">talk</b>]] / [[Special:Contributions/SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">edits</b>]]) 20:46, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
-::You're asserting that LTRs aren't important enough for the lead unless they're a major part of the subject's career, but no rule or guideline says that. The lead is a summary of the article. In the case of a biography, the article is about the subject's life, not merely their career. Something that's an important part of the subject's life is important enough to be in the lead. [[User:Jim Michael 2|Jim Michael 2]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael 2|talk]]) 23:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
-:::Straight to the point regarding WP:LEAD. Personal life doesn't coverage celebrities' important facts in a lead in our spaces. Is an encyclopedia, not a fanzine. Despite if they engage with other famous people. Certain cases, like Cher and Bono, or Beyonce and Jay-Z worth a mention, as they have collaborative projects, duos etc. With Katy Perry is not the case. My recommendation, as WikiCleanerMan suggested you in the last previous summary: convert your inquiry in a RfC. --[[User:Apoxyomenus|Apoxyomenus]] ([[User talk:Apoxyomenus|talk]]) 00:15, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
-:::::It's far from trivia or gossip. Nowhere does any guideline, policy etc. say that partners are to only be included in the lead if they collaborate professionally. [[User:Jim Michael 2|Jim Michael 2]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael 2|talk]]) 04:41, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
-::::An RFC is completely unnecessary for this and would only drag things out for too long. Let's just try to sort things out promptly without one. Anyway, Jim has misunderstood my point, which is that the personal life isn't something she's noted for as much as her career. I'm not saying that working together is a requirement for adding to the lead, just that those were instances of people being linked to one another more prominently. We indeed aren't supposed to cover every single detail within the lead. It would get bloated that way. [[User:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b>]] ([[User talk:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">talk</b>]] / [[Special:Contributions/SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">edits</b>]]) 01:14, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
-:::::Those two LTRs have gained a great deal of international media coverage, so she's certainly known for them. Not as much as her singing career, but famous entertainers are usually known primarily for their career. [[User:Jim Michael 2|Jim Michael 2]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael 2|talk]]) 04:41, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
-::::::In the Internet era, for a pop singer like Katy Perry private details about their life are widely reported, even through [[circular reporting]]. But as three users, including me, noticed this doesn't deserve an inclusion for lead as you suggested. Take another additional examples, such as Whitney Houston,  Mariah Carey or Celine Dion, as their marriages impacted at some point their career/life. Once again, is not the case with Perry. If you really still arguing this is important, a RfC could be your next step but as SNUGGMUS commented, could be just a [[WP:SNOWBALL]]. --[[User:Apoxyomenus|Apoxyomenus]] ([[User talk:Apoxyomenus|talk]]) 04:46, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
-== De Soi ==
-Katy co-founded the beverage company De Soi with Morgan McLachlan at the start of the year. I've found a Vogue article discussing it,<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.vogue.com/article/katy-perry-de-soi-non-alcoholic-aperitifs-launch |title=Katy Perry Gets Into the Wellness Game With De Soi, a Line of Non-Alcoholic Aperitifs |work=Vogue |date=January 6, 2022 |access-date=July 3, 2022 |author=Odell, Kat}}</ref> though I'm not sure how or if to include this information in the article. [[User:UltrasonicMadness|UltrasonicMadness]] ([[User talk:UltrasonicMadness|talk]]) 00:15, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
-:What you've added is fine. I just expanded on it a bit and revised some wording. [[User:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b>]] ([[User talk:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">talk</b>]] / [[Special:Contributions/SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">edits</b>]]) 00:19, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
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-== Katy Perry ==
-Is Katy Perry the girl in the Skip the Dishes commercials? [[Special:Contributions/2001:56A:F775:D700:B893:141C:D9CE:6F76|2001:56A:F775:D700:B893:141C:D9CE:6F76]] ([[User talk:2001:56A:F775:D700:B893:141C:D9CE:6F76|talk]]) 01:51, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
-:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc_8TgrqDYE Yes]. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;">[[User:General Ization|<span style="color: #006633;">General <i>Ization</i></span>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:General Ization|<i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i>]] </sup> 01:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
-== Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2022 ==
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-Within the overview tab the word “Pretty” in the following sentence should be replaced with “Perry” to accurately reflect the artist’s name: In April 2007, Pretty signed to Capitol Records. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7F:4A28:9C00:9013:5E82:4763:84C1|2A02:C7F:4A28:9C00:9013:5E82:4763:84C1]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7F:4A28:9C00:9013:5E82:4763:84C1|talk]]) 09:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
-:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Cannolis|Cannolis]] ([[User talk:Cannolis|talk]]) 10:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
-== Katy Perry's vocal type is listed incorrectly ==
-The article mentions that Katy Perry possesses a contralto vocal range, however, Katy Perry is actually a very Britney Spears like soprano who could qualify as a contralto. On tracks such as Teenage Dream and Roar Perry showcases her usage of the falsetto, which in some ways could be referred to as a light lyric soprano. But that might be just me.
-So maybe you could edit the article some and change the article to "Katy Perry is a lyric soprano" ?; Thanks. ([[Special:Contributions/2601:C6:8480:1F10:BC49:9A8C:2128:ACD2|2601:C6:8480:1F10:BC49:9A8C:2128:ACD2]] ([[User talk:2601:C6:8480:1F10:BC49:9A8C:2128:ACD2|talk]]) 04:44, 13 December 2022 (UTC))
-== Twitter reference in lead ==
-Should we remove the sentence that mentions she is the most followed woman on Twitter? Twitter has recently gone down the shitter anyways so there's no point. Besides, her Billboard Spotlight Award and being the "reigning Queen of Camp" (Vogue's words) are probably more important than having a lot of followers. [[User:PHShanghai|PHShanghai &#124; they/them]] ([[User talk:PHShanghai|talk]]) 11:04, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
-:Unless another female gains more followers there, I object to removing this as it's a big record she achieved, and whether it has "gone down the shitter" is irrelevant to overall count. We can most definitely have that and the spotlight award in the lead at the same time. [[User:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b>]] ([[User talk:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">talk</b>]] / [[Special:Contributions/SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#009900">edits</b>]]) 13:27, 16 December 2022 (UTC)