Talk:Maintenance

Title

I think this is the best title for this general subject. There are redirects at maintenance and repair to feed the odd link to them to this page. I envision a nice long article on this topic which many people make a living doing. The Mil Spec material is useful temporarily but just to work from. User:Fredbauder

While the information on this page is valuable, it is quite dry and lacks real world examples. More importantly, I am surprised that it redirects automatically from repair and maintenance, activities that are part of the daily lives of many people, and, in the case of repair at least, which have a history going back thousands of years (e.g archaeological finds of pottery repaired with iron stapes). It seems to me that MRO is a industrial/commercial model, a subset of repair and/or maintenance in general. I suggest we build individual articles about the broader conceptual understanding of repair and/or maintenance, with links to this article in the body or lead. --+|||||||||||||||||||||||||+ (talk) 15:51, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I just discovered home repair which while not an excellent article yet by any means, is probably much better fitting to the common persons expectation of an article about "repair" than this article. I will change the redirect for 'repair' and maybe add a disambiguation soon.... but I can't right now, if any else wants to instead.+|||||||||||||||||||||||||+ (talk) 00:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The redirect from Maintenance, repair and operations to Maintenance, repair, and operations is incorrect. The second comma in the title, after "repair", is not required due to use of the word 'and'. - BobKilcoyne (talk) 07:41, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

This change has now been made - BobKilcoyne (talk) 08:55, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Production Planning and Control

An MRO agency or an Airline Operator also engaged in in-house maintenance of Aircraft and its components requires to PLAN its maintenance (Production) activities on the aircraft/components and also Control the operations to achieve an optimum level of Maintenance at a reduced cost but not at the cost of the Safety.

Aircraft should be operational and gainfully flying most of the time after meeting all quality control/maintenance requirements.

PPC (Production Planning and Control) is a functional setup to achieve the above goal. An organisation which effectively employs this setup will have less painful surprises during its operation and will be prepared for such eventualities.

PPC uses varied Technicques and Methods depending on the situations and requirements. These can be elaborated.

203.122.62.2 09:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)Mohanraj

Advertisement

I am removing a section that sounds like an advertisement in the first paragraph (no references):

The MRO business is seeing a major boom with the emergence of international carriers and private aviation in Asia. The MRO business in India alone is expected to grow to $45Bn from the current $0.5Bn in the next decade. The world's leading provider of MRO software is India's Ramco Systems.

See WP:SOAP. Even if this is true, it should not be in the introductory paragraph. SouthLake (talk) 14:19, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Information regarding the industry surrounding repair might not be directly applicable to the subject of repair in and of itself. Video game industry, for instance, is a distinct subject from Video game.--MDude (talk) 18:30, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

MRO meaning

At least in aviation, MRO means Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul. MRO comprehends all the maintenance industry activities around aircraft, including full restoration activities aka overhaul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.170.28.140 (talk) 10:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I'm going to add the term to the introduction. It is very widely used in the aviation industry. 192.91.172.42 (talk) 01:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

For 38 years in the sale of industrial products used as components in production equipment used by the manufacturing industry (all sectors including aviation), an inventory of the most often replaced components is maintained in a storage area similar to the toolroom concept. The storage area is refered to as the MroCrib. Also stored in the supply room are non-production materials used in the manufacturing operations such as; lubricants, gloves, safety goggles and other often used essentials. The Term MRO refers to Maintenance, Repair & Operations materials used for that purpose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obonekanobie (talk • contribs) 16:11, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

One more agree :-) "O" is for Overhaul. Current title is misleading, even no strong need to keep MRO. For me its enough to use, say: "Maintenance (engineering)" Scientist 17:35, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Well

is good that we know why the server doesent`t work :)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.83.175.117 (talk) 18:10, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. No support for move (beyond IP nominator). The scope of this article should remain specific to its original topic, MRO. See WP:TOPIC. The term "maintenance" is way too broad and clearly has no primary topic, and so should remain a dab page. Born2cycle (talk) 01:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

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Title Problems--Move?

Maintenance, repair, and operations → Maintenance — This article is developing into an article about general maintenance, not the more limited concept of MRO, which is a more industry-oriented term, especially for the aerospace industry. Since the above maintenance article is really a disambig page, I propose that this article move to maintenance, and the disambig page move to maintenance (disambiguation). 70.247.164.231 (talk) 22:41, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

MRO Software Section

Maintenance,_repair,_and_operations#MRO_software Someone went crazy with the initialisms and acronyms there. Shouldn't these terms be spelled out? Adam850 (talk) 23:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, yes and the linked "main" article is about a particular former corporation, now part of IBM, rather than the generic topic. If the various initialisms are corporate rather than general in the business, then they should be moved to that article. Jim.henderson (talk) 13:17, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Mention "Reparations" in the See also section?

Repairs and reparations are often mixed-up, especially by non-native English speakers. Repairs is e.g. for repairing a broken bike, reparations is a legal term. Shall I put it like that in the see also section?SvenAERTS (talk) 12:57, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

SvenAERTS. I do not think they would ever be confused. They are two very different things and only ever used on two very different contexts. I suggest you take out the three entries. Regards. Eno Lirpa (talk) 13:03, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Eno Lirpa "Repairs and reparations are often mixed-up, especially by non-native English speakers." I did. I'm going to leave it for now. Thy for your courteous way of commenting.--SvenAERTS (talk) 11:30, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

See-also sections are for related topics; the correct way to handle frequently confused terms is a hatnote such as {{Distinguish}}. I made this fix in the article. – voidxor 21:42, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Basics

Dear all, without false pretensions, I consider myself as an expert in the field, an university teacher with numerous published scientific articles in this field. There are multiple issues in the article, starting from the basic division of the maintenance. The maintenance is a science considering only one thing, equipment failure, and there are only two types of the maintenance, prior the failure (preventive) and after the failure (corrective). All other types of maintenance are derived from these two. Corrective maintenance is still most common type in the world, various types of preventive maintenance comes second. I hope that I gave you an insight in the theory of the maintenance, regards --Yutmak (talk) 09:00, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move

Maintenance (technical) → Maintenance, repair and overhaul – This is per WP:NATURAL, which suggests that we should avoid parenthetical disambiguation if an alternative title exists. The proposed title is widely used in industry (as per the article) and more clearly denotes the topic than the current article title, which is kind of a head-scratcher at first. It's more in line with policy, it's more natural, and it's common enough to be acceptable to me; I am curious for your thoughts. Red Slash 22:43, 15 January 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

• Comment seems a little verbose. Why not just Maintenance and repair? Rreagan007 (talk) 01:11, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

  A reasonable alternative, definitely, but MRO is a common term of art in the industry Red Slash 19:24, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

why don't we call it 'Technical maintenance'?—blindlynx 23:41, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Also an improvement. Red Slash 17:13, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Move to Maintenance and the current article at that title to Maintenance (disambiguation). Clear primary topic. Most of the other entries on the disambiguation page are sub-articles of this topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:43, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

  Definitely a reasonable idea. I think we'd need to put a notice on Talk:Maintenance Red Slash 17:14, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• More thinking to myself than anything else: I've copied the move history generated by User:Nardog/MoveHistory, just for reference. (The article, citing an online glossary entry states "O" can stand for "operations" or "overhaul".) So the most stable title and original article scope is the technical meaning of MRO. I'm wondering if we should move as proposed first. After most of the edit history for an article about MRO is under the right title, split a Maintenance article from this one if needed. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

  I agree (as proposer). I think that this article overtaking primary topic is a real possibility and would cut the proverbial knot, but ... yeah, in the meantime, I believe the proposed title is an improvement. We'd need to propose a new move regardless to bring this title to maintenance as otherwise this would be a malformed move request. Red Slash 17:13, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

• Relister comment: A few titles have been proposed, but mostly in parallel threads that haven't responded to one another. Therefore, I feel this discussion could benefit from more input on which of the following titles would, or would not, be acceptable: Maintenance, repair and overhaul; Technical maintenance; or the primary title Maintenance. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

  Also, I've left a talk page comment on Talk:Maintenance to notify watchers there of this discussion. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:33, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

• Move to Maintenance and disambig page to to Maintenance (disambiguation). I find that when an article has an awkward disambiguation term (and an equal awkward set of "natural" disambiguation options), its likely actually the proper primary topic. I also see this article as a WP:BROADCONCEPT. -- Netoholic @ 17:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
• Move to Maintenance and disambig page to to Maintenance (disambiguation), this page is a clear WP:BROADCONCEPT of the term. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:59, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: In the german-lingual section of Wikipedia we do have for both topics an article: for "Maintenance" (in german: Wartung, resembled in WikiData as Q1043452) and "Maintenance, repair and operations" (in german: Maintenance, Repair and Operations, resembled in WikiData as Q116786099). These are already there. For "Maintenance service" there is only a Wikipedia page in the dutch-lingual section (in dutch: Onderhoudsbeurt, resembled in WikiData as Q47302058). This should be noticed when making any decisions in the closer future. --A.Abdel-Rahim (talk) 19:30, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Move history since 2005

Repair and maintenance → Maintenance, Repair and Operations → Maintenance, repair and operations → Maintenance, repair, and operations → Maintenance, repair and operations → Maintenance (technical)

Date	From	To	Performer	Comment
2018-02-17T13:40:49Z	Maintenance, repair and operations	Maintenance (technical)	Apetrov09703 (talk | contribs)	Requested by Apetrov09703 at WP:RM/TR: To generalize article and eliminate error in "operations" term usage
2017-04-22T05:12:49Z	Maintenance, repair, and operations	Maintenance, repair and operations	Anthony Appleyard (talk | contribs)	Requested by BobKilcoyne at WP:RM/TR: Second comma is not correct use of punctuation, but the title without the second comma already exists as a redirect page
2010-01-06T21:41:19Z	Maintenance, repair and operations	Maintenance, repair, and operations	Lowellian (talk | contribs)
2006-11-07T09:46:41Z	Maintenance, Repair and Operations	Maintenance, repair and operations	Kjkolb (talk | contribs)	should be lowercase according to naming conventions, as there is no reason for capitalization
2005-11-05T17:00:21Z	Repair and maintenance	Maintenance, Repair and Operations	Freeformer (talk | contribs)	To match know term MRO