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Citation and Wording

I feel that the article as a whole requires more citations for certain statements, such as his contributions to proving the law of conservation of mass. Perhaps also there should be a direct citation for the description Lavoisier's system of chemical nomenclature. I'm sure there are other examples of this in the article that I have not mentioned as well.

Also, and this may just be me, but I think the wording used in the chemical revolution section feels somehow biased? It isn't really biased in any way as far as I know, but statements like how Lavoisier's oppositions lacked evidence against him and statements about how precise he was in his measurements feel as though they were made in support of Lavoisier rather than remaining neutral. I also think the phrase "Pioneer of Stoichiometry" shouldn't be used for similar reasons, at least as a title. Maybe "Invention of Stoichiometry" or "Research on Stoichiometry" would feel more neutral?

Gabrielle16 (talk) 17:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2023

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Change 55 elements to 33 as per the list here: https://archive.org/details/traitlmentairede01lavo/page/192/mode/2up

The book Creations of Fire (1995) by Cobb also says that Lavoisier only lists 33 elements. TurnerValley (talk) 21:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done and thanks for the source! That section is lacking in references. small jars tc 17:52, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This needs more discussion; SmallJarsWithGreenLabels, you might want to undo pending consensus here. The list on p192 of that linked ref has many more than 33 entries. Are only some of them "elements"? Is there possibly a confusion between the modern definition of "element" and what that word was used to represent at that time? The subsequent sentence in our article likewise lists many more than 33 (and that longer list seems comparable to the linked ref), so it's a dual problem: it's not clear how the ref supports the claim, and it gave us two consecutive sentences that contradicted each other. Cobb's book (e-text isbn:978-1-4899-2770-5, printed isbn:978-0-306-45087-7) is over 350 pages; TurnerValley, could you be more speciifc with your citation of it? DMacks (talk) 18:05, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 Change '''55''' elements to '''33''' as per the list here: https://archive.org/details/traitlmentairede01lavo/page/192/mode/2up
 The book Creations of Fire (1995) by Cobb also says that Lavoisier only lists 33 elements. [[User:TurnerValley|TurnerValley]] ([[User talk:TurnerValley|talk]]) 21:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 :{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> and thanks for the source! That section is lacking in references. [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|small jars]] <small><code>[[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|<b style="color:#270">t</b>]][[special:contributions/SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|<b style="color:#270">c</b>]]</code></small> 17:52, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
+::This needs more discussion; [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]], you might want to undo pending consensus here. The list on p192 of that linked ref has many more than 33 entries. Are only some of them "elements"? Is there possibly a confusion between the modern definition of "element" and what that word was used to represent at that time? The subsequent sentence in our article likewise lists many more than 33 (and that longer list seems comparable to the linked ref), so it's a dual problem: it's not clear how the ref supports the claim, and it gave us two consecutive sentences that contradicted each other. Cobb's book (e-text [[isbn:978-1-4899-2770-5]], printed [[isbn:978-0-306-45087-7]]) is over 350 pages; [[User:TurnerValley|TurnerValley]], could you be more speciifc with your citation of it?  [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 18:05, 18 February 2023 (UTC)