Talk:Ramakrishna

Obvious error restored by User:Gbohoadgwwian

The statement about the Cohen paper was plain wrong.

the paper does not say this and by restoring an incorrect phrase, Gbohoadgwwian is taking the BURDEN to be repsonsible for adding mistakes to wikipedia.

i have read this paper, and this is not what the Martin Cohen paper says.

The paper is this

Cohen, Martin (2008). "Spiritual Improvisations: Ramakrishna, Aurobindo, and the Freedom of Tradition". Religion and the Arts. BRILL. 12 (1–3): 277–293. doi:10.1163/156852908X271079.

See this https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ramakrishna&diff=833953063&oldid=833939069

Gospel of Ramakrishna

@Ellis408: regarding this edit, which exact edition of the "Gospel of Ramakrishna"are you referring to? Publication-date, isbn? Is this the text? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 01:36, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for digging into this. You've made me a better editor, but I have to brush up and learn more. I don't know that website. I mentioned I was travelling - but when I got home I looked up the quote in a Concordance I have of the Gospel. I took it directly from the 1942 Edition: Mahendranath Gupta, The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, 1942 edition, isbn 978-0-911206-01-2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellis408 (talk • contribs) 6 august 2019 (UTC)

Here and [www.vedanta-nl.org/GOSPEL.pdf here] are links. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:05, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Bhakti, Tantra, and God-realization

I've been adding more details and quotes about RK's progression through many methods of seeking God, including worshiping his family deity Rama, Worship of Kali (as a priest), Tantra, Vaishnavism, Advaita, Sufism, and Christianity. After his years of sadhana, his practice was to meditate, offer flowers in the Kali temple, and waive incense at the pictures of deities on the wall of his room. His followers believe he remained in a state of bhavamukha, a level of blissful shamdhi. I am continuing to add references and more quotes. Much of this is covered in the Nikhilananda Gospel.

I moved the quote from Kripal to the Kali's Child section, as in this context, it's difficult to argue that "Ramakrishna rejected Advaita Vedanta in favour of Shakti Tantra", in that RK went from Tantra to Vaishnavism to Advaita and beyond. The whole point of his sadhana was to accept all paths and reject none. RK did argue that the Advaita path was more difficult, even impossible if any ego remains. Ellis408 (talk) 22:43, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I moved the whole "Bhakti, Tantra, and God-realization" section higher in the article, as it can serve as an index or summary of the details that follow, about the individual teachers.

Ramakrishna's Name

I'm going to change the name of Ramakrishna as used in this article. In the first paragraph, it say, "...born Gadadhar Chatterjee or Gadadhar Chattopadhyay". His given name at birth was Ramakrishna Chattopadhyay. Gadadhar was a nickname. Swami Prabhananda, senior monk and Trustee of the Ramakrishna Order came out with a book in 1993 titled, "More About Ramakrishna". The first chapter is titled, "Who Gave the Name Ramakrishna and When?", is about the various versions of how Ramakrishna got his name, but proves it was given to him by his father at birth.

The family was devoted to Hindu God Rama, and male children of Khudiram and Chandramani were given names that started with Ram or Rama: Ramkumar, Rameswar, and Ramakrishna. There has been some dispute about the origin of the name Ramakrishna, but there is "...evidence which proves beyond doubt that the name 'Ramakrishna' was given to him by his father..." Ramakrishna confirmed this himself, as recorded in "M"s diaries, "I was a pet child of my father. He used to call me Ramakrishnababu." Ellis408 (talk) 14:43, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

References

Ramakrishna's Name

The main article on Ramakrishna states, "...born Gadadhar Chatterjee or Gadadhar Chattopadhyay". That's not right. Gadahar was a nickname, and as you can see here, Ramakrishna was his given name at birth.

The family was devoted to Hindu God Rama, and male children of Khudiram and Chandramani were given names that started with Ram or Rama: Ramkumar, Rameswar, and Ramakrishna. There has been some dispute about the origin of the name Ramakrishna, but there is "...evidence which proves beyond doubt that the name 'Ramakrishna' was given to him by his father..." Ramakrishna confirmed this himself, as recorded in "M"s diaries, "I was a pet child of my father. He used to call me Ramakrishnababu." Ellis408 (talk) 14:59, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

References

Tota Puri

The section is WAY to much for Tota Puri. He was one of Ramakrishna's gurus, but has a massive presence in the section about Ramakrishna's sadhana. Need to move much (almost all) to a Tota Puri article. I've encountered this Toda Puri empathisis before, including claiming that Puri was his only guru, which runs contrary to RK's whole outlook on the various religions and teachers. Puri wasn't the first or last.

Any others feel this way? Ellis408 (talk) 16:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I too feel this way. The section on Tota Puri blocks the reader from the rest of the article following it by it's sheer size. RamasSquirrel (talk) 02:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

I am also in favor for creating another article for Tota Puri as currently there is none. RamasSquirrel (talk) 02:41, 12 October 2022 (UTC)