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"God the Geometer" is literally such a perfect pictorial representation of the article.

SpicyMemes123 (talk) 22:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

re: specific religions chapter

this chapter seems to be missing several world religions, such as Judaism. 2601:5C1:4401:1EB0:A956:86BC:43DD:EDC7 (talk) 14:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

gah i got logged out, apologies! Nortsapa (talk) 14:36, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

propose to add the following section

I feel that the attitude towards challenges faced by beliefs in science and faith in religion may be one of key topic for this entry, and it is better highlighted in someway, in a high level visible section.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Relationship_between_religion_and_science&diff=1142949541&oldid=1142949185 section deleted]

"Attitude towards challenges" The attitude towards challenges faced by beliefs in science and faith in religion can vary greatly.

In science, challenges to beliefs are often seen as opportunities to learn and improve understanding. Scientists are trained to question and scrutinize their own ideas as well as those of others, and recognize that challenges and criticism are an essential part of the scientific process. The attitude towards challenges in science is often one of curiosity and openness to new ideas and evidence.
In religion, challenges to beliefs can be seen as threats to one's faith and personal identity. For some, questioning or challenging religious beliefs can be seen as disrespectful or even sacrilegious. However, for others, challenges to religious beliefs can be an opportunity for growth and deeper understanding of their faith.

Overall, the attitude towards challenges faced by beliefs in science and faith in religion can be shaped by a range of factors, including cultural and personal beliefs, experiences, and worldviews. However, in general, the scientific attitude tends to prioritize evidence and inquiry, while the religious attitude often places greater emphasis on faith and personal experience. ^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

References

^ Taliaferro, Charles, "Philosophy of Religion", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Winter 2021 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.)
^ Hansson, Sven Ove, "Science and Pseudo-Science", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2021 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.)
^ Steup, Matthias and Ram Neta, "Epistemology", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2020 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.)
^ Bishop, John and Daniel J. McKaughan, "Faith", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2022 Edition), Edward N. Zalta & Uri Nodelman (eds.)

--Gluo88 (talk) 04:56, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

propose to add section with title Espitemologocal Analysis

I feel that Espitemologocal Analysis of relationship between science and religion should be a section in this entry, between "history" and Perspectives sections. --Gluo88 (talk) 04:55, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This seems quite abstract and am not seeing stuff about attitude in the sources you cited the way it is presented above. Seems like a lot of WP:SYN with the dichotomizing here. For instance, the "Epistemology" article you cite does not even mention religion or faith or science. The source on "Philosophy of Religion" has a section on Religion and Science and it says that the sciences are methodologically agnostic and says they are not overlapping. Can you provide some quotes from the sources on some of the statements made? This may have a spot in the article, but would be better as you said between History and Perspectives since that is where these epistemic ideas make sense. The general structure of Incompatibility, Independence, Dialogue, Integration are the major sections of this article and those should be left alone since they are based on divisions made by historians of science. Ramos1990 (talk) 05:09, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Philosophy of Religion":
- "Science and religion are based on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations must be based on evidence drawn from examining the natural world. Scientifically based observations or experiments that conflict with an explanation eventually must lead to modification or even abandonment of that explanation. Religious faith, in contrast, does not depend only on empirical evidence, is not necessarily modified in the face of conflicting evidence, and typically involves supernatural forces or entities. Because they are not a part of nature, supernatural entities cannot be investigated by science. In this sense, science and religion are separate and address aspects of human understanding in different ways. Attempts to pit science and religion against each other create controversy where none needs to exist. (NASIM 2008: 12)", explained below
- " Despite the initial plausibility of the Academies stance, however, it may be problematic.

First, ..." ....

- "Following up on Pinker, it should be noted that it would not be scientifically acceptable today to appeal to miracles or to direct acts of God. Any supposed miracle would (to many, if not all scientists) be a kind of defeat and to welcome an unacceptable mystery. This is why some philosophers of science propose that the sciences are methodologically atheistic. That is, while science itself does not pass judgment on whether God exists (even though some philosophers of science do), appealing to God’s existence forms no part of their scientific theories and investigations."
"Epistemology" entry is for the reason that philosophy and science follows this.
"This may have a spot in the article, but would be better as you said between History and Perspectives since that is where these epistemic ideas make sense.", yes, I agree. Thank you very much.

Gluo88 (talk) 13:32, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring by IP

While I like the general idea behind their edits, it is too black and white formulated: scientists can be very rigid and dogmatic (there is a difference between being open to hold debates and being prepared to be persuaded by evidence), it is just that the scientific community as a whole does not cherish monolithic ideological unity, and many theologians are very rational and open-minded (see e.g. Liberal Christianity). tgeorgescu (talk) 07:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The abave is regarding scientific attitude and religious attitude, not attitude of the dogmatic scientists or rational and open-minded theologians. Gluo88 (talk) 13:38, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[sep_p_r-1] Taliaferro, Charles, "Philosophy of Religion", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Winter 2021 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.)

[sep_s_p-2] Hansson, Sven Ove, "Science and Pseudo-Science", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2021 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.)

[sep_Epistemology-3] Steup, Matthias and Ram Neta, "Epistemology", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2020 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.)

[4] Bishop, John and Daniel J. McKaughan, "Faith", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2022 Edition), Edward N. Zalta & Uri Nodelman (eds.)

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	While I like the general idea behind their edits, it is too black and white formulated: scientists can be very rigid and dogmatic (there is a difference between being open to hold debates and being prepared to be persuaded by evidence), it is just that the scientific community as a whole does not cherish monolithic ideological unity, and many theologians are very rational and open-minded (see e.g. [[Liberal Christianity]]). [[User:tgeorgescu\|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu\|talk]]) 07:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)		While I like the general idea behind their edits, it is too black and white formulated: scientists can be very rigid and dogmatic (there is a difference between being open to hold debates and being prepared to be persuaded by evidence), it is just that the scientific community as a whole does not cherish monolithic ideological unity, and many theologians are very rational and open-minded (see e.g. [[Liberal Christianity]]). [[User:tgeorgescu\|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu\|talk]]) 07:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

			:The abave is regarding scientific attitude and religious attitude, not attitude of the dogmatic scientists or rational and open-minded theologians. [[User:Gluo88\|Gluo88]] ([[User talk:Gluo88\|talk]]) 13:38, 5 March 2023 (UTC)