Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Extradition of Ramil Safarov

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The result was merge to Ramil Safarov. Black Kite (talk) 10:30, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Extradition of Ramil Safarov

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Fork of Ramil Safarov. --George Spurlin (talk) 14:25, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support merging with Ramil Safarov per WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Or, taking into consideration that this article was created less than a day after the main article was fully protected for one week because of the "veritable edit war", it is even the case of WP:POVFORK --Daniel (talk) 17:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
• Support Delete and merge with Ramil Safarov.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
• Support no need for a separate article, should be merged with Ramil Safarov --Երևանցի _talk 20:59, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
• Support This article was essentially forked to add POV content while the main article, Ramil Safarov, is protected. Delete ASAP not to circumvent the protection. Chaojoker (talk) 02:17, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
• Keep it. I am opposed to deleting this Article. ►Safir yüzüklü Cekli^mesaj 04:12, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:01, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:01, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

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• Comment. Most of the information in this article was just copy-pasted by Safir yüzüklü Cekli from the Ramil Safarov article: see diff --Daniel (talk) 08:18, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
• Weak keep or possibly merge content from Ramil Safarov to this page and make Ramil Safarov a redirect. Assuming that extradition (this article) was a notable event (and it certainly was), one should keep this article along with Ramil Safarov, which is a different BLP page about notable person. Yes, this page was created by copy-paste. So fix it if needed. My very best wishes (talk) 13:48, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
• Keep--Baskervill (talk) 14:51, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
• Keepto avoid confusions with the Ramil Safarov's page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.191.26.140 (talk) 14:53, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

— 78.191.26.140 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Keep - the content becomes more specific and different than the article about Ramil Safarov. Sincelery, Konullu (talk) 23:58, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

— Note to closing admin: Konullu (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. Daniel (talk) 00:25, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

• Keep per Könüllü above --Esc2003 (talk) 07:31, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
• Delete, no need for a separate article.--Jsjsjs1111 (talk) 00:30, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
• Delete Short of the material copy pasted from the Ramil Safarov article the rest of the material is original research.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 10:25, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
• Comment. Unfortunately, most of the voters do not provide any arguments. Frankly, I do not see any legitimate reason to delete this article. It is about a well-defined separate subject, it is about an obviously notable event, and it is sourced (and can be much better sourced!) to multiple RS. My very best wishes (talk) 01:55, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

About 75% of this article has been lifted wholesale from the main (Ramil Safarov) page, barely without any changes. The remaining content unnecessarily gives a full-blown explanation of what the 1983 Strasbourg Convention is (for which there is a separate article) and, as Eupator states above, contains original research and attempts at legal analysis by what appears to be an ordinary editor. There's nothing here that has not or cannot be said on the Safarov page.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 02:36, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

You could be right if he was a person notable for only one event. But there are at least two events here: (a) the murder (he is a notable murderer) and (b) extradition and pardon with serious international implications eight years later. Hence I still suggest to keep these two articles separately. In the case of Taha Carim and Assassination of Taha Carim, for example, I would probably vote "merge". It is not really important who, how, and for what reason created this article. Content forks may be kept or removed in the process of editing. Fix it.My very best wishes (talk) 15:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment I would say that those two events can still be merged under the umbrella of an article. I agree with the example you provide of Taha Carim and would also like to point out that I did something similar on the Gourgen Yanikian and 1973 Biltmore Hotel attack pages. Unfortunately, I have a noticed a trend among certain editors who prefer to magnify and exaggerate the scope and scale of topics, which is why separate articles on an individual and a related event are often created in tandem, though there is little to justify their simultaneous existence.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:29, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Keeping this article and deleting/merging Ramil Safarov might be something reasonable. Then, the murder would appear as a part of "background" section. No strong opinion on my part ... My very best wishes (talk) 17:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

• Keep It's a well-sourced article providing information about a particular notable event, which caused a lot of public interest and discussion in the media. This is clearly different from a biography of Ramil Safarov. Thanks Angel670 talk 09:48, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, if anyone wanted to delete an article, that would be Ramil Safarov, not this article. My very best wishes (talk) 16:25, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

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