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Another editor continues to remove information, noted in [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Human_rights_in_the_United_States&diff=1094614753&oldid=1094612697 this diff], which is cited information, because they think it's cherry picked. I don't want to revert again should they continue to remove, but thought it would be useful to start a discussion here. Can anyone take a look and see if this warrants being removed? To me, it looks relevant, but other opinions would be helpful. Thanks! [[User:Spf121188|<span style="background-color:#000080; color:gold">'''SPF121188'''</span>]] [[User talk:Spf121188|<sup>('''talk ''this'' way''')</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Spf121188|<sup>(contribs)</sup>]] 16:46, 23 June 2022 (UTC) |
Another editor continues to remove information, noted in [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Human_rights_in_the_United_States&diff=1094614753&oldid=1094612697 this diff], which is cited information, because they think it's cherry picked. I don't want to revert again should they continue to remove, but thought it would be useful to start a discussion here. Can anyone take a look and see if this warrants being removed? To me, it looks relevant, but other opinions would be helpful. Thanks! [[User:Spf121188|<span style="background-color:#000080; color:gold">'''SPF121188'''</span>]] [[User talk:Spf121188|<sup>('''talk ''this'' way''')</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Spf121188|<sup>(contribs)</sup>]] 16:46, 23 June 2022 (UTC) |
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Citations needed
The following paragraphs have no citations but make some serious accusations. You need to provide references about where you got all this information and from what source.
"Marijuana legalization and decriminalization is seen as a step of progress in decreasing the prison population. Other non-violent offenses which carry extremely long prison sentences in the United States include fraud and other acts of corruption, offenses relating to child pornography, and contempt of court.
The number of foreign nationals in US prisons has skyrocketed in recent decades. The US Justice Department rarely approves of foreign prisoners' extradition to their home countries, and most are deported after serving their sentences instead of before their trials. This is seen as a huge contributor to prison overcrowding, especially in California, Arizona, and Texas. It is estimated that illegal immigrants from Mexico make up 40% of the prison population in those 3 states. This goes hand-in-hand with the US immigration policies, which have also been criticized by human rights groups.
The United States has also been widely criticized for its attitude towards parole and incarceration alternatives. There is no parole in the federal prison system, which has drawn international outrage from human rights groups and is believed to be a major contributor to prison overcrowding. In addition, 16 states have no parole in their prison systems. Parole is rarely granted where it is allowed, and the USA is the only country that currently has juveniles serving life sentences without parole. The USA has also been heavily criticized for having few or no alternatives to incarceration. Probation, fines, and community service are extremely rarely issued instead of prison time. It is believed that money and profits are the main driving factors behind all this."[citation needed]................ No kidding.
In addition, you need to provide information about who does the criticizing regarding the United State's practices centered around parole and incarceration alternatives and why they criticize it. Is it The United Nations? Oxfam International? WHO?? You need to say which human rights groups are outraged and why. You need to list the 16 states that have no parole in their prison systems. That should be easy. I don't believe that the U.S. is the "only country" that currently has juveniles serving life sentences. It may be the only industrialized nation that does this but the only country?? You provide NO references for ANY of this so why should I believe it's true?
NONE OF THIS IS REFERENCED SO YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE MAKING IT ALL UP. IF WIKIPEDIA WANTS TO BE A CREDIBLE SOURCE OF INFO THEN ITS EDITORS NEED TO REFERENCE AND PROVIDE MORE IN DEPTH EXPLANATIONS ABOUT THE STATEMENTS THEY MAKE.
FOR EXAMPLE: making vague statements like, "This is seen as a huge contributor to prison overcrowding....." is lazy. FIND OUT WHO SEES IT THAT WAY. I really can't believe that editors let contributors get away with articles as poorly sourced like this one is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.138.90.39 (talk) 06:30, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
I have a dizaster in Egypt me and my so plz need help before we get killed we are us citizens mohamed said And nour eldeen said 011201552367023 my email mohamed27121972@ Gmail.com Said victim (talk) 13:14, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
Recent edits to the History section
There have been a series of edits recently in the History section, beginning with this one on 22 December and culminating with one I just made. The edits probably deserve to be gone through in sequence, but their overall effect after that most recent one amounts to this. I think the current version is an improvement which addresses POV concerns behind the individual edits in the series. In the spirit of WP:BRD, I suggest that further improvements be discussed here rather than in an exchange of edit summaries. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 17:43, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Is the article from a neutral point of view?
- Is the article from a neutral point of view?
The article seems to mostly have a neutral point of view, using both liberal and conservative voices to measure the US' marks on human rights and potential violations. However, some sections may have a liberal bias. For example, the section on “coverage of violations in the media” seems to be biased; it only includes a critique of the New York Times coverage of human rights abuses, claiming it to be biased, but does not include opposing viewpoints or any more explanation of coverage violations in the media. The liberal viewpoint seems to be overrepresented in some sections, such as the section on Guantánamo Bay, which includes several liberal viewpoints and only one statement from a Republican senator.SarahD12345678910 (talk) 01:52, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- Without looking at the details of this case, I'll comment that the focus here ought to be on dueness of weight rather than on neutrality as perceived by individual editors. Please don't take this as an argument against your points, I just want to point that up here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 09:50, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Project which address discrimination and human rights violation
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Information being removed
Another editor continues to remove information, noted in this diff, which is cited information, because they think it's cherry picked. I don't want to revert again should they continue to remove, but thought it would be useful to start a discussion here. Can anyone take a look and see if this warrants being removed? To me, it looks relevant, but other opinions would be helpful. Thanks! SPF121188 (talk this way) (contribs) 16:46, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Major rewrite needed
This article is the definition of WP:UNDUE, with some editors having turned it into a forum for airing their grievances. WP:BALANCE is urgently needed, as an outsized proportion of the article's content is criticism, both sourced and unsourced. Specifically, parts like these are unencyclopedic: "While the US has maintained that it will "bring to justice those who commit genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes," even though the U.S.A. has supported many genocides, for example the Indonesian genocide in the 1960s;"
Pizzigs (talk) 02:06, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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