Talk:Matty Healy

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 16:29, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

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Healy at Lollapalooza Chile in 2017

• ... that Ian La Frenais based the Flushed Away rat Roddy St. James on Matty Healy? Source: https://uproxx.com/indie/the-1975-matty-healy-flushed-away-rat/
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  • Comment: QPQ forthcoming.

Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 12:37, 24 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Matty Healy; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General eligibility:

• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems: - current AfD

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral: - see comment
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: @Launchballer: Article could be good for DYK, but needs a little work. I could do with "Roddy St. James" being enclosed in commas. Also, is there any way that you could include that this hook fact was according to Healy? Per D5, I will have to put this on hold as there is a current AfD. Concerns have been raised in the AfD about the article's neutrality: could you tell me if these concerns have been fixed? QPQ is also needed. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 17:49, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

• Most of the neutrality concerns were made by aggrieved Redditors unhappy that I've accurately reported what reliable sources have said; once you discount the WP:SPA votes, there is currently a 7-0 consensus to keep. As for the hook, I feel that attributing it to Healy neuters it somewhat, so instead I suggest the following:

ALT1: ... that Matty Healy is banned from Dubai?--Launchballer 07:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Launchballer: it's a compromise, but I'd be happy to approve that as a quirky hook once the AfD boils over. Just be sure to do the QPQ. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 07:18, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Looking at that Reddit post sure is... interesting. I'm happy that none of the articles I've written have attracted the attention of a angry mob dedicated fanbase. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 07:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Gadallah Gubara.--Launchballer 09:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Schminnte: Shall we continue?--Launchballer 16:03, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Launchballer: thanks for the ping. I'm satisfied now, good to go! Schminnte (talk • contribs) 16:21, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

contentious edits

there seems to be significant disagreement over this person's actions and motivation.

please, rather than debate by editing, discuss these changes on the talk page before reverting.

thanks again kids, Saintstephen000 (talk) Saintstephen000 (talk) 16:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Second history merge request

Hi Launchballer, thanks for the history merge requests. I'm unsure about the second one. Can you provide two permalinks, one from Matthew Healy and one from Matty Healy, which look so similar that they prove a copy-and-paste move? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Wasn't me, guv! Ask Uanfala.--Launchballer 18:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I haven't looked for cut-and-paste moves. I requested a history merge because the other page had the earlier history of an article on the same topic. – Uanfala (talk) 18:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Bias

I don’t have enough edits in order to edit a semi-protected page but this page appears to have extreme bias against this individual and appears to be written by someone with a clear agenda. I think this needs to be cleaned up. Theeadbaresleeve (talk) 18:36, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I usually don't agree with these kind of posts but Christ, I have to agree. This reads like an attack ad. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 18:38, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't see any bias here. Healy performed in ways that some consider "bad". Reliable sources reported on the performances, and the fact that a notable number of people found them "bad". Simply mentioning bad things is not an indication of bias or an agenda. It depends on the weight and context given to them. Here, it seems a prominent part of the persona Healy himself has developed, and on which others have reported in detail. These are not merely bad things that are incidental to the person, and which one might legitimately say are unnecessary and unfair inclusions. I knew nothing of Healy before coming to this article, but from reading it, I suspect that Healy would not consider this so much an attack ad as free publicity. My two cents. _signed, Willondon (talk) 18:56, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2023

change: He is noted for his erratic behaviour on-stage, his social media activity, and for a number of other controversial comments, which have resulted in him being accused variously of misogyny, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, antisemitism, and endangering fans' lives.

new: He is noted as a songwriter and performer who questions seemingly normal elements of modern society - from online dating to cancel culture. He has been praised for his activism around LGBTQ+ rights, climate change, and racial inequality while also speaking out against misogyny in the music industry.

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change: "In July 2017, he was accused of racism after the 1975's guitarist Adam Hann uploaded an Instagram Live story in which Healy mimed the n-word as part of Aminé's Caroline."

new: "In July 2017, he was accused of racism after The 1975's guitarist Adam Hann uploaded an Instagram Live in which people thought Healy had mimed the n-word while dancing to Aminé's Caroline despite Healy's mouth not being visible in the video."

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change: "In May 2020, Healy was accused online of using the death of George Floyd to promote the 1975's album Notes on a Conditional Form,[51] after tweeting that "[i]f you truly believe that ‘ALL LIVES MATTER’ you need to stop facilitating the end of black ones", and posting a link to Love It If We Made It.[52] He responded by deleting the posts, apologising by stating 'the song is literally about this disgusting situation and speaks more eloquently than I can on Twitter', reposting them separately, and then deleting his account;[53] discussing the incident in October 2022, Healy stated that the post was motivated by four days of fans asking for his opinion, and that the money he earned for streaming made the song unworth promoting anyway."

new: In May 2020, Healy was accused online of using the death of George Floyd to promote the 1975's album A Brief Inquiry into Online Relationships, after tweeting that "[i]f you truly believe that ‘ALL LIVES MATTER’ you need to stop facilitating the end of black ones", and posting a link to Love It If We Made It, which had come out two years earlier on the album.[52] In the song's lyrics, Healy protests the violence and persecution Black people in America face writing, "Selling melanin and then suffocate the black men / Start with misdemeanors and we'll make a business out of them." Previouly, Healy had stated that he refused to do meet and greets in the US a long as gun violence continued to be an issue, citing both fears for his own life and a frustration with the gun violence perpetrated by police towards Black people in America. Heymonicakim (talk) 18:54, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

References

This would probably be better done as separate requests. My overall criticism is that there are no sources given for any of the changes. The one source, YouTube, is considered unreliable -- and rember, establishing notability is an important part of sourcing. A YouTube video may verify that he said it, but not that a reliable source thought it worth commenting on. _signed, Willondon (talk) 19:01, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

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This article is so stupid, why continuously attack him and make him out to be an utter arsehole but not proceed to comment on all the good things he's done. The way this is worded is so wrong especially the health topic and needs to be edited asap Darciemae (talk) 19:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Real 86.14.24.28 (talk) 19:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)