Talk:ITunes

Ogg icon

Version 7 removed the Ogg icon from the package. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 04:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure, but I believe the Ogg icon is not actually from Apple. Mine is still in the package, except it's still green instead of blue, leading me to believe that Ogg isn't actually part of iTunes natively. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 18:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Criticism

I think the criticisms in this article are valid, but misplaced. Most of them belong in the iTunes Store article, and not this article about the iTunes application -- the DRM and EULA disputes are about the store, and not the jukebox software used to access the store. I propose that these criticisms be merged into the article on the iTunes Store. Perhaps the major criticisms (the DRM, the lock-in) could be briefly mentioned under the iTunes Store section in this article. Anyone agree? Disagree?

And while there were bugs in version 7.0, that is not uncommon, and Apple released an updated version (iTunes 7.0.1) 15 days later. Minor bugs and bug fixes belong in the "Recent Version History" section, not as a "Criticism" of the software itself. Anyone agree? Disagree? BJ Nemeth 09:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Good point - I'll move the criticisms to iTunes Store. Thomas Ash 15:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but now there's no criticism in the iTunes article. What about how it doubles the space your music takes up? That's fairly noteworthy. Software as sucky as iTunes should have plenty of criticism.

70.72.50.20 16:17, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for personal views. These are not widely held views. --80.41.90.45 05:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

How about you are an idiot and shouldn't be allowed near computers?75.23.46.184 03:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

File format for sale?

Which file format do I get when buying from the iTunes store? I gather it's DRM'ed, and I'm guessing some sort of Apple format, but exactly what do I get? Codec? Bitrate? What is the DRM limitations? When buying an album, do I get the cover art, and in that case in what format? Mannaja 14:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

It is MPEG-4 Part 3, most commonly termed "AAC", at 128kbps, in a FairPlay wrapper. Purchased albums come with album art; not sure what format, but I assume it's JPG. —bbatsell ¿? 16:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

It's usually around 128 kbps, but some songs are higher or lower format. The album art is embedded in the song (iTunes 6 and below). The file will have the extension .m4p. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 18:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Podcasts are often of lower quality - 56kbps I believe. Their quality varies due to a wide range of users posting podcasts. Audiobooks are 32kbps —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The freddinator (talk • contribs) 20:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

Windows hard disk space requirements?

if i install iTunes in windows, how much hard disk space does that take up?

The Apple website doesn't say. This is probably because if you're using a computer that possibly won't have enough space to install iTunes, you won't have enough space for music OR your computer is too old and slow to play music properly. Any space taken up to install iTunes itself will soon be dwarfed by the amount of space needed for your music. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 18:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Source #8 does not exist anymore

The citation: "Amorim, Roberto (2003). Results of MP3 at 128 kbit/s public Listening Test (http). Roberto's public listening tests page. Retrieved on January 12, 2006." is gone. It is referenced in "File Format Support." Is there another location of this test, or another different test altogether to cite? PS. I hope I used the Talk correctly, (first Talk post)

Sp3z1aL 22:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, welcome, and yes, you did the talk thing fine. As for the source...there's always Google.--HereToHelp 00:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

ITunes iTunes?

Is there a reason the standards technical limitations disclaimer isn't in place? -b 19:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you see the article title as "ITunes"? Appears as "iTunes" on my screen. AlistairMcMillan 21:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Safari or Internet Explorer

iTunes for Mac apperently runs the webpages in itms on a type of Safari-engine (khtml-based). What does iTunes for Windows runs on? Khtml or Internet Explorer ? --213.112.157.143 16:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, iTunes for Mac does not use WebKit for rendering the music store. I forget the exact details, but it's basically streamed WebObjects. Presumably, Apple ported whatever renders it to Windows. --Steven Fisher 00:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

GForce

The visualizer built into iTunes is not GForce. It's a lookalike, originally written as a component for SoundJam MP. I believe the original version was called "Melt-O-Rama". Zetawoof^(ζ) 03:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

"January 11, 2001 SoundSpectrum creates and licenses a special version of G-Force to Apple Computer for inclusion in its new iTunes music player as the "iTunes Visualizer" [1] AlistairMcMillan 12:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually it's in the about box, under the companies old name Whitecap. AlistairMcMillan 12:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I miss the release notes.

which used to be featured in the article. There is no other such resource. Thadk 07:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

• • Here they are: ITunes_version_history

iTunes 7.1.0.59

Appears to be a large number of problems with the new release - many users find iTunes crashing when they try and play a track —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.66.147.155 (talk) 12:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

Please read WP:ATT. We need "reliable sources". Forum postings and your own personal experiences are not "reliable sources." AlistairMcMillan 12:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Apple is unlikely to provide a reliable source for the 7.1.0.59 crash bug until it is resolved. I found a cached version of this page on Google that did mention the crash bug, and found that very useful. The page as it stands now, without the unreliable source, is less useful and contemporary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.31.131.36 (talk • contribs) 20:49, March 12, 2007 (UTC)

"It is currently in 3rd place"

Do we have a reference for this claim? --Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver And The Vandal Watchman 12:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Not sure where "third" comes from, but "fourth" was announced during the January 2007 Macworld keynote. I've edited the article to reflect that. AlistairMcMillan 13:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Quicktime/iTunes

Does it say anything about Quicktime's semi-symbiotic relationship with iTunes? They're installed together, and if one is removed, the other ceases to function. I think that's something worthy of note, though it may better belong in a critisism section/page. Unfortunatly, I have no references to cite, though you may clarify it yourself. (Note: There is in fact an installation file for just Quicktime, but it appears to be from a website with no affiliations with Apple) My very highest regards; 1337 r0XX0r 19:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

--- *Sigh*... I should have checked more.... it appears it may only be that removing Quicktime messes up iTunes, as iTunes uses Quicktime for certain features; So it appears iTunes has very good reason to be packaged with Quicktime. However, this fact may be of some use to users of iTunes in general, and though I dost not knoweth where this is to be placed, I shall nevertheless request a mention, at the very least. And to thee my sincerest apologies; I am in an Old English mood. My tidings to thee, 1337 r0XX0r 20:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

There is an official Quicktime download from Apple that does not include iTunes. See http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html, which includes "QuickTime 7.1.5 with iTunes" and "QuickTime 7.1.5." I'd assume the same is true for the Mac download, but I didn't check because they both come with Mac OS by default anyway. -seinman 21:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)