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*'''Keep''': Will give you a better deep-dive of sources later, but I want to preemptively say that out of all the non-notable labels that try to weasel their way into Wikipedia, CD Baby is not one of them. Without even looking at the page before writing this, I can vouch for their notability. Here is a small collection of sources from ''[[Music Connection]]'' [https://www.proquest.com/docview/1540640/EEBEF9A91E6343EEPQ], ''[[Billboard]]'' [https://books.google.com/books?id=KBEEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA42&dq=%22CD+baby%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp0c6wne7-AhUGlWoFHZrfAZoQ6AF6BAgDEAM#v=onepage&q=%22CD%20baby%22&f=false], ''Forbes'' [https://www.forbes.com/sites/natalierobehmed/2013/09/09/want-to-make-money-off-youtube-cd-baby-can-help/amp/] (which was written by a staff member and not contributor), and the book ''Music Marketing'' by [[Berklee Press]] [https://books.google.com/books?id=Ic8KAQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gb_mobile_entity&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&hl=en&gl=US&focus=searchwithinvolume&ovdme=1#v=onepage&q=CD%20baby&f=false]. (I also do not like how you did not mention the ''New York Times'' article used in the article.) No offense, but this is a pretty bad candidate for AfD. [[User:Why? I Ask|Why? I Ask]] ([[User talk:Why? I Ask|talk]]) 21:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''': Will give you a better deep-dive of sources later, but I want to preemptively say that out of all the non-notable labels that try to weasel their way into Wikipedia, CD Baby is not one of them. Without even looking at the page before writing this, I can vouch for their notability. Here is a small collection of sources from ''[[Music Connection]]'' [https://www.proquest.com/docview/1540640/EEBEF9A91E6343EEPQ], ''[[Billboard]]'' [https://books.google.com/books?id=KBEEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA42&dq=%22CD+baby%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp0c6wne7-AhUGlWoFHZrfAZoQ6AF6BAgDEAM#v=onepage&q=%22CD%20baby%22&f=false], ''Forbes'' [https://www.forbes.com/sites/natalierobehmed/2013/09/09/want-to-make-money-off-youtube-cd-baby-can-help/amp/] (which was written by a staff member and not contributor), and the book ''Music Marketing'' by [[Berklee Press]] [https://books.google.com/books?id=Ic8KAQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gb_mobile_entity&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&hl=en&gl=US&focus=searchwithinvolume&ovdme=1#v=onepage&q=CD%20baby&f=false]. (I also do not like how you did not mention the ''New York Times'' article used in the article.) No offense, but this is a pretty bad candidate for AfD. [[User:Why? I Ask|Why? I Ask]] ([[User talk:Why? I Ask|talk]]) 21:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Strong keep''': This is not a record label, but an online music store/distributor, and probably the largest in that niche during the 2000s and to a lesser extent 2010s. (It's roughly the equivalent of Bandcamp today.) As such ProQuest turns up several news articles spanning the 2000s ([[WP:NSUSTAINED]]) with significant coverage. These include features in ''Esquire'' ("Derek Sivers," 10-2003), ''The Oregonian'' ("Odd is In at Independent Music Seller CDBaby, 10-6-2003), the Oregon ''Register-Guard'' ("Oregon firm an indie music sales giant," 7-25-2008), the ''Boston Herald'' ("Be my/Be my CDBaby; Music business gets real at online store," 3-5-2004), as well as business analysis in ''The Guardian'' ("Technology: Freedom of rights management: Musicians have been badgering Apple to sell their music without copy protection for years, so why, wonders Wendy M Grossman , is it changing its tune now?", 4-26-2007). All of these are available through Wikipedia Library; this is just a small selection. [[User:Gnomingstuff|Gnomingstuff]] ([[User talk:Gnomingstuff|talk]]) 21:43, 11 May 2023 (UTC) |
*'''Strong keep''': This is not a record label, but an online music store/distributor, and probably the largest in that niche during the 2000s and to a lesser extent 2010s. (It's roughly the equivalent of Bandcamp today.) As such ProQuest turns up several news articles spanning the 2000s ([[WP:NSUSTAINED]]) with significant coverage. These include features in ''Esquire'' ("Derek Sivers," 10-2003), ''The Oregonian'' ("Odd is In at Independent Music Seller CDBaby, 10-6-2003), the Oregon ''Register-Guard'' ("Oregon firm an indie music sales giant," 7-25-2008), the ''Boston Herald'' ("Be my/Be my CDBaby; Music business gets real at online store," 3-5-2004), as well as business analysis in ''The Guardian'' ("Technology: Freedom of rights management: Musicians have been badgering Apple to sell their music without copy protection for years, so why, wonders Wendy M Grossman , is it changing its tune now?", 4-26-2007). All of these are available through Wikipedia Library; this is just a small selection. [[User:Gnomingstuff|Gnomingstuff]] ([[User talk:Gnomingstuff|talk]]) 21:43, 11 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' per the sources above. CD Baby was easily one of the top online distributors in the early 2000s. [https://www.google.fr/books/edition/Understanding_the_Music_Business/k12kCgAAQBAJ This book] can also be used as a source (p283). There's also a noteworthy Apple anecdote we don't mention (reprinted [https://www.wired.com/2010/11/steve-jobs-dissed-me/ by Wired], covered [https://techcrunch.com/2010/11/11/cd-baby-founder-recounts-a-tale-of-steve-jobs-itunes-and-broken-promises/ by TechCrunch]) [[User:DFlhb|DFlhb]] ([[User talk:DFlhb|talk]]) 10:28, 12 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Non-notable records label. No sources found. Forbes in particular is a contributor piece, the rest are fluff and PR items. Oaktree b (talk) 20:27, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Oaktree b (talk) 20:27, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, England, New York, and Oregon. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: Will give you a better deep-dive of sources later, but I want to preemptively say that out of all the non-notable labels that try to weasel their way into Wikipedia, CD Baby is not one of them. Without even looking at the page before writing this, I can vouch for their notability. Here is a small collection of sources from Music Connection [1], Billboard [2], Forbes [3] (which was written by a staff member and not contributor), and the book Music Marketing by Berklee Press [4]. (I also do not like how you did not mention the New York Times article used in the article.) No offense, but this is a pretty bad candidate for AfD. Why? I Ask (talk) 21:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Strong keep: This is not a record label, but an online music store/distributor, and probably the largest in that niche during the 2000s and to a lesser extent 2010s. (It's roughly the equivalent of Bandcamp today.) As such ProQuest turns up several news articles spanning the 2000s (WP:NSUSTAINED) with significant coverage. These include features in Esquire ("Derek Sivers," 10-2003), The Oregonian ("Odd is In at Independent Music Seller CDBaby, 10-6-2003), the Oregon Register-Guard ("Oregon firm an indie music sales giant," 7-25-2008), the Boston Herald ("Be my/Be my CDBaby; Music business gets real at online store," 3-5-2004), as well as business analysis in The Guardian ("Technology: Freedom of rights management: Musicians have been badgering Apple to sell their music without copy protection for years, so why, wonders Wendy M Grossman , is it changing its tune now?", 4-26-2007). All of these are available through Wikipedia Library; this is just a small selection. Gnomingstuff (talk) 21:43, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per the sources above. CD Baby was easily one of the top online distributors in the early 2000s. This book can also be used as a source (p283). There's also a noteworthy Apple anecdote we don't mention (reprinted by Wired, covered by TechCrunch) DFlhb (talk) 10:28, 12 May 2023 (UTC)