Talk:2023–24 UEFA Champions League

Russia

@아유무: Could you please explain why Russia should be included when the source provided states that the suspension is ongoing? If you have a source which shows the suspension has been lifted, I would very much appreciate it if you could share this. Thanks, Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 14:23, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Glasgow clubs and Bayern Munich

We should just put the Glaswgiean clubs and Bayern Munich in now, Celtic isn't going to lose a nine point lead to second place Rangers, and Superior goal difference. Japhes50005 2A00:23C7:A0BA:E001:3C2D:9BC:C161:860D (talk) 17:33, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Arsenal

Arsenal has already qualified for the season 2023/24 of the Champions League. Arsenal with 75 points and Tottenham with 53 points both have six matches in hand until the end of the season. Tottenham can have maximum of 71 points while Arsenal has already passed this digit which means Arsenal are already in next season of the Champions League. Zaki Frahmand 13:10 AEST, 25 April 2023

check Brighton--Baronedimare (talk) 10:25, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Can i ask how brighton can over take manchester city. Please explain your logic. Shaun150 (talk) 15:10, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Manchester City haven't qualified while four teams can still finish above them, no matter how unlikely that scenario may be. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 18:15, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Czech Republic

@ThatStatMan: Hey, thought it would be better to discuss here than start an edit war. As the article stands now, we are referring to the Czech Republic as both Czech Republic and Czechia across the three articles (2023–24 UEFA Champions League, 2023–24 UEFA Europa League and 2023–24 UEFA Europa Conference League in case anyone else wishes to participate in discussion). You said in your edit summary that UEFA refer to the country as Czechia. That's all well and good but Wikipedia isn't UEFA. The common name for the country in English is the Czech Republic and the Wikipedia article is at Czech Republic as a result (there have been eight move requests to change to Czechia and all have been unsuccessful). We should be consistent within an article and, as the country's common name is Czech Republic and it is already referred to as Czech Republic in the association ranking table, I think we should use Czech Republic for all mentions of the country within the article. Happy to hear your thoughts. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 20:32, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Stevie fae Scotland Thanks for adding the discussion. My thinking was these pages (along with the 'UEFA Coefficient' page I had updated previously) was that a) they are UEFA-specific and b) they are based on the 'association' rather than 'country'. Seemed to me that there was a quick switch from Macedonia to North Macedonia just a year or 2 ago when that became the vernacular in UEFA. I saw that there is that Czech Republic designation in the association rankings, which somehow hard-wires the name to Czech Republic - I don't know how that works. Anyhow that was my reasoning, that these pages are tied more to UEFA's rankings and matches than to the country itself. ThatStatMan (talk) 22:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

North Macedonia is quite different. In 2018, the country voted in a referendum to change it's name (subsequently approved by the national assembly) which is why football articles since 2019 have also changed. The fba template calls on the specific flag data template (in this case Template:Country data Czech Republic) to display the relevant flag and link to the relevant football association. It uses Czech Republic as the country's article is located at Czech Republic. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 08:22, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I rambled a bit above but the intent was to align UEFA-related pages to UEFA terminology. Makes me wonder why UEFA made the switch to Czechia in the first place. ThatStatMan (talk) 14:50, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

There are a couple of relevant points here. First, wikipedia has a standard name for "countries" that it applies as generally as possible. There are cases where UEFA/FIFA/AFC etc have different names for members and it is certainly a reasonable view that a consistent name across wikipedia is better, and generally the "common" country name (so, South Korea rather than Korea Republic, Kyrgyzstan rather than Kyrgyz Republic, United States rather than USA) ends up being used here. This is not always the case - Timor-Leste is the football team but wikipedia insists on East Timor for the country. Sometimes issues occurs when the "common" name is in dispute/changing, a trend that can be capricious at best; such as East Timor not changing to Timor-Leste or the Czechia question - while others like "Myanmar" got changed. 165.12.252.111 (talk) 05:24, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Ukraine and Belgium

Are there any sources that confirm following?

Should the Europa League title holders also qualify via their domestic league, the following changes to the access list will be made:

• The runners-up of associations 12 (Ukraine) and 13 (Belgium) enter the third qualifying round instead of the second qualifying round (League Path).

It means that threre are only two entries in the UCL second qualifying round (League Path) as well as in the UEL third qualifying round (League Path) in such case.

According to UCL 2023/24 regulations 3.04. b. :

...and the league path is rebalanced accordingly with priority given to the club of the best ranked association of the relevant round in the access list

it's more likely that priority given to the third-placed representative of association 6 (Portugal), which enters the play-off round instead of the third qualifying round (League Path)

92.60.179.239 (talk) 07:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Those regulations you've quoted confirm the article at present is correct. The same thing last happened in 2019–20. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 08:04, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

The question is just whether this is still the case after the changes that has occured following the supsension of Russia.

As 92.60.179.239 (talk) points out having only 2 teams in the UCL second qualifying round (League Path) is a bit strange, and has never happended before.

So are we certain that it is not the example stated below that will happen?

Should the Europa League title holders also qualify via their domestic league, the following changes to the access list will be made:

• The third-placed team of association 5 (France) enter the group stage instead of the third qualifying round (League Path).
• The third-placed team of association 6 (Portugal) enter the play-off round instead of the third qualifying round (League Path).

Thomediter (talk) 21:49, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

That is a good point as it does state "best ranked association" but that's not how they've done it before. They could have done that in 2019–20 by promoting Krasondar as the third-placed team of association 6 to the play-off round but didn't. From that, it looks like they make one correction to the access list per round. They haven't needed to make changes to the League Path since 2019–20 (excluding the adaptive rebalancing of the 2020–21 edition) and the default access list has changed since then so we don't have a previous example where there have been only two teams at that stage. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 09:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

They did upgrade FC Krasnodar in the 2020-21 UEFA Champions League to the play-off round. However I'm not sure if this was just because of the covid situation. Thomediter (talk) 09:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, they had to change the rules that season because the competition started before they knew all the qualifiers so the alterations happened later in the competition. That's why I've discounted it when interpreting what UEFA mean. It would be nice if they just made it clear what is supposed to happen in the rules. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 10:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes I agree that would be nice

I do think it might be different from the 2020-21 Champions League in this competition, but I don't have anything substantiating that or the change I propose.

So it's fine for me to let it be as it is now :) Thomediter (talk) 10:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

CL and EL title holders’ berths

The explanation of what happens in case the CL and EL winners have already qualified for the CL group stage through there leagues is a bit incomplete at the moment. What happens if the EL winner, but not the CL winner has already qualified through their league? Tvx1 21:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

In the Association team allocation section, the details of the changes to the default access list are layed out. Should the Champions League winners qualify via their domestic league then the Champions League changes will happen regardless of what happens to the Europa League winners. The same is true of the Europa League winners, should they qualify via their domestic league then the Europa League changes will happen regardless of what happens to the Champions League winners. The only alternative alteration would be if both winners are from the same association (and specifically from associations 1 to 4) and neither of them qualify for the Champions League via their domestic league. That could happen this season but is unlikely given Inter are 5 points inside the top 4 with three games to play. If it did, the team finishing fourth in Serie A would instead qualify for the Europa League. I believe but I'm not 100% sure that the Champions League changes would also need to be made in that circumstance as that would keep 26 automatic qualifiers for the group stage and it would follow the normal precedence that UEFA give when altering the default access list. I could be wrong though. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 06:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Why are the coefficients shown in italics?

Someone just edited the Group Stage Section so that all club coefficients (CC) are in italics. I can understand writing the CC who might change in italics, but I find it a bit confusing to have all CC's written as italics. Thomediter (talk) 18:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Why do we call "Ireland" for "Republic of Ireland" but not "Czech Republic" for "Czechia"

I've noticed that instead of using "Ireland" - we use the name "Republic of Ireland" on the Champions League Pages.

I understand that this might be because the official UEFA Website itself calls them "Republic of Ireland". This makes sense.

However, instead of "Czech Republic", UEFA uses "Czechia" for the association. I saw someone edited this page to match that - but the edit was reverted and as of now "Czech Republic" is still being used.

It seems incosistent to match the UEFA name for some associations, but not for others.

I think we have also have to remember that it is not countries we have on the Champions League pages - it's associations, which is also why UK is split into 4, and Faroe Islands takes part depsite being an autonomous territory of Denmark.

I think we need to either change "Republic of Ireland" to "Ireland" or change "Czech Republic" to "Czechia", and consider the latter option much better.

If there is dissagreement with this, I'd love to hear why. Thomediter (talk) 00:59, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

In case this is approved of, "Turkey" should also be renamed to "Türkiye"

It has nothing to do with what UEFA put on their website. It's about consensus on Wikipedia. All of these are consistent with the articles for the countries which they represent and editors have agreed that they should be called as such for a number of reasons. Turkey and the Czech Republic are known as such per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:USEENGLISH, the Republic of Ireland is also known as such per COMMONNAME but also so it is clear it is the country and not the the island. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 08:10, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

How do you know the Club Coefficient of Union Berlin, Newcastle or Lens?

It is not obvious how CC is calculated for those clubs which haven't participated in the previous five seasons in any UEFA club competition. The answer can be found on UEFA website: "A club's five-season coefficient is the cumulative total of the previous five seasons' coefficients, or 20% of its association's five-season association coefficient, whichever is higher." I think this should be mentioned at the Group stage section where CC of the teams are written. Simy (talk) 08:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree. I wrote this once but it was removed. Thomediter (talk) 10:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Knockout Rounds

why is it going from Group stage to Finals ? Japhes23 (talk) 07:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)