Talk:PlayStation Portable

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• Archive 3 (May 15 2006 to December 31 2006):

"Colour" vandalism

According to the Manual of Style, an article should use the same dialect throughout. This article consistently uses Britsh or International English rather than American English. The same manual then goes on to say:

Editors should not change the spelling used in an article wholesale from one variant to another, unless there is a compelling reason to do so (which will rarely be the case). Other editors are justified in reverting such changes.

And furthermore,

Finally, in the event of conflicts on this issue, please remember that if the use of your preferred version of English seems like a matter of great national pride to you, the differences are actually relatively minor

While I doubt most of the random IPs who tend to be changing any use of the word "colour" in this article to "color" would actually read this, it should be kept to such a consistent style. - ZakuSage 16:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't really see the argument for this article being "mostly British English". It uses "ize" rather than "ise" and uses "color" in another place. In fact, "colour" seems to be the only non-American spelling used in this article. Granted, there is nothing about this article that dictates which dialect it should be written in, but from what I can tell it's currently "mostly" American English, albeit by a small margin. I really don't care which dialect the article uses as long as its consistant, but I think your argument is a little weak. -- mattb @ 2007-01-19T18:42Z

The article uses "-ize" in 3 places (one of which even Oxford, which International English stems from, now uses -ize), while using "-ise" in 5. License makes use of the American form... "analog" is labelled in the American form, though I've never really seen even SCEE make use of the term "analogue" when referring to the stick. After running through American and British English spelling differences really quickly, that's about all I could find in use in the American form. As you said though, it doesn't matter much which way the article reads as long as it is consistent, and in that same sense I'd still say it significantly makes use of British or International more often; moving from the current scheme minus the color/colour to American English would require more changes than moving entirely to British/International English. - ZakuSage 15:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, I personally think that english wikpedia should use a similar system like zh wikipedia's traditional/simplified chinese converter, which would solve some of these problems. Ericlaw02 16:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Unofficial features

Things such as homebrew software have been traditionally kept to a separate article, and which is then briefly summarized in a small section in this article. I notice that a couple of editors are consistently trying to incorporate this into the general prose. This generally shouldn't be done because such things are largely unofficial. For instance, I could use the PSP as a paper-weight, but it isn't mentioned in the article, nor should it be. I could also use a toaster to burn books, but that's not mentioned in its article either. Hacks and homebrew software should be kept to the homebrew specific article; leave this one to official features. - ZakuSage 16:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Just as an aside, I realize that most of the people editing an article on PSP are going to be those who are quite savvy with the device and would likely use homebrew programs and have a large focus on firmwares when doing anything with the device, including myself, however it really harms the readability of the average reader to incorporate such a focus into the article. Most people who will read this article will be confused if the focus leans to much on people who already know a lot about the device. I'm not saying we should write for the lowest common denominator, but we should try to work towards an article that is interesting and informative for all who read it. - ZakuSage 16:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Compared to the Zune article...

this article is cr*ap...the zune article list all its features and everything it can do, bt when i try to add things about the pictures formats psp can view, it gets deleted.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deananoby2 (talk • contribs).

Maybe if you'd sign your comments properly people would respond to your inquiries faster. Use the four tilde signs to sign your username to comments. Mattygabe 22:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Justifying your edits to one article based on how another article is (poorly) written is seldom a relevant argument. It was explained above that it is not the purpose of this article to list every feature of the product and that attempting to do so only clutters up the text. I might also add that all of these features are enumerated in great detail in externally linked resources. Encyclopedia articles summarize; they do not seek to be product manuals or try to provide the basis for a side-by-side comparison of consumer electronics. There's no need to get so excited just because we do not wish to add a laundry list of features to this article. -- mattb @ 2007-01-03T23:43Z

well it seems the purpose of the zune article is to list all its features, both article r on the same site so they should be close to the same, and if the zune article list all its features than the psp one should...

Nope, that isn't how things work here. -- mattb @ 2007-01-05T14:44Z

And aside from everything above, the Zune is a DAP and the PSP is a handheld gaming device, that happens to play music and videos. The two aren't related. If you want to compare it to something, compare it to the DS.... --Cmsjustin 17:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The PSP Demo stand alone article

If you find any download able demos for the PSP or find out that your local EBGAMES/Gamestop is giving them out please post this info in the article. It will help everyone looking to get a taste of free stuff. --Shamo0 02:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Photos

I've noticed that, including the picture of the console itself in the infobox, this entire article only has two photographs. For an article of this length, it might be beneficial to brighten things up a bit. If anyone can think of some items to add, I can do the leg-work and either locate an appropriate picture or take one myself. - ZakuSage 02:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

add a pic of the new psp camera or the psp with the Umd slot open with a UMD sticking out..... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deananoby2 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

headphones

Someone told me the other day that you can't use headphones not especially made for the PSP. I came here, thinking i'd find something on the matter, but could not. Can anyone give me any insight? Thank you.71.8.41.143 03:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)Thayer

Talk page is not the place for discussion on the article's subject, but yes you can as it uses standard headphone jacks (just as I'd assume most people would expect). - ZakuSage 00:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Poor game sales compared to DS

I think this needs to be mentioned. Even if you are a PSP fanboy, you can't ignore these kind of facts.

In Japan:

• 18 DS games have sold better than the top selling PSP game.
• Only one PSP game has sold more than 500K, and no games have sold more than 1M.
• The top selling DS game has sold 3,508,819 more games than the top selling PSP game. That's 625% more.
• Over twice as many DS games have sold 100K units than PSP games.

No matter how you look at that, the PSP is getting slaughtered in Japan. Of course, these aren't worldwide sales mind you, but I don' think the PSP is winning anywhere. I think this is important to mention somewhere. System sales aren't as big of a gap (DS sold 17% more worldwide, not including Lite), but a gap of 625% in terms of best selling game is big deal and needs mentioning.

PSP game sales in Japan DS game sales in Japan--SeizureDog 01:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

For neutrality's sake, as well as not creating a troll magnet, I'd say it's not a good idea. Note that in it's current state, the article makes no mention of the DS for one very good reason: this article is about PSP, not DS, nor the competition between them. Also note that in the article for Nintendo DS there is only one careful mention of PSP, which itself is contained in a very poorly constructed section that needs a clean-up anyway. Perhaps such information would be best left to comparison articles or the "History of video games" article on this subject? - ZakuSage 01:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, personally I think every console article should have some information on how it fared against its competitors. I actually came to this article a while back specifically to see how it compared to the DS in sales and was surprised to find no comparisions. I'll admit to being a Nintendo fanboy, but I just as equally want information of how the PS1 beat out the N64 as shown in the Nintendo 64 article. I find avoiding the subject actually less neutral than mentioning it as it conveys a sense of "let's not mention any bad things about it". Plus, I'm sure critical opinion can be found speculating on why the DS won in the handheld market (probably something along the lines of the PSP spreading itself out too thin with all of the multimedia stuff).--SeizureDog 16:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I think if anything we should just let the facts speak for themselves; state the beleaguered software sales and leave it at that. If possible, I think we should try to find numbers for the entire world as well, rather than just for Japan, as this is an international encyclopedia. Focusing too much on the competition really only will end with a poorly constructed article and inevitably non-neutral article, as has happened with the one for N64. Additionally, I think the best thing to do would be to avoid speculation as it could well be any number of things causing a lack of software sales. - ZakuSage 05:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we should gloss over the relatively poor sales of the PSP. We're not saying "PSP sucks, DS rules," we're saying "The PSP hasn't been as successful as its main competition in terms of sales." It's not a neutrality issue; it's a factual and informative statement. Sir 0rion 07:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thing is, this article is about the PSP, not how the PSP compares to the DS. Given that they're not aimed at the same markets (Nintendo are aiming squarely at casual gamers, Sony are... well... shooting blind, essentially) a comparison is slightly unfair, plus adding anything like that to an article is going to draw out the rabid fanboys and the whole thing would get very messy. - Davidjk _{RC Patrol} 07:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand your point, Davidjk, but the fact that they are shooting blind and are a lot less focused than their competition is immediately pertinant to the progression of the system, as well as its past, present and potential future. If Sony decides to drop the PSP next month (hypothetically), it will be because the PSP did poorly on the marketplace. Now, as a reference to that fact, we would use the DS as an example of a system that did not do poorly, indicating that it was the system itself that failed to earn money, and not an unreceptive marketplace. Again, it's not a "DS is greater than PSP" statement, it's an "At this point in history, this system sold well, while this system didn't," statement. It will provide a future reference point for the decisions that both companies make with regards to their systems, so it is therefore a reasonable thing to discuss objectively, the way I see it. Sir 0rion 22:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

There was something about this on the BBC News website. The PSP has suffered from having few games written for it - mostly ports of games written either for other systems, or written as a multi-system release. The DS has had games mostly written specially for it, so making better use of the hardware, and meaning that if you want the game you need a DS - whereas with the PSP if you want the game you can then decide do you want the PS2, PSP, PC, etc., variant. Its anecdotal, but within my extended family all the original DS owners (2) have stayed DS owners; anyone buying since has bought DS Lite (4); and of the three PSP owners, two have since bought DS Lite, and one buys DS games to use on his sister's console - and hasn't bought any new PSP games, or, as far as I can tell, play much on his PSP. I don't think it is a sign of the relative merit of the systems, but it is a sign of the relative merit of the games available for the two systems. The brain-training games seem to have done a lot to boost the DS, and the touch screen (laughed at by the PSP owners, initially, along the lines of what kind of game would want split screens) has made it a preferred platform for the animal-care stuff (Nintendogs, Petz, Sims4Pets, etc.). Nintendo do seem to have worked wonders by aiming at the large mass of people who didn't usually consider gaming as 'their thing', and it looks as if the Wii is about to do the same in the console category. Bendel boy 10:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Nice that you guys take so much time to write about the advantages of one over another, but remember, there is no place for it in this article. The aforementioned N64 article, however, is excused in having such information (just as past SEGA consoles' articles) for one reason: these are products no longer for sale. There's objectivity in reasoning the marketing accomplishments and failures of these products because of the very fact that this article cannot hurt their sales more, as they are not the focus of marketing efforts no longer. Stating comparisons between the sales of current products, on the other side, no matter how true those may seem, will have an impact on the choice of potential consumers. Remember that facts too can serve to advance one's point of view. This is something not so obvious if one's an admitted "fanboy", but as a neutral party, I see no reason to change the current article.

Yup. But this is the role of the talk pages - stuff of interest, but not relevant to the encyclopaedic entry.Bendel boy 09:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

As long as this talk is kept here I see no problem with that. What I don't want to see is this being dragged into the main article, as was suggested above. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.182.98.12 (talk) 21:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

Flags

A common trend that has begun cropping up is, instead of using flag icons for the release dates, people have been using superscript shortened titles for the regions. I bring this forward because the PSP was released in North America, not the US, on the release date mentioned on the site. If no one objects I'll change the flag icons to things like ^NA and ^EU. --Thaddius 17:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It would eba good idea to actually protect this page. Too much vandalism. Toajaller3146 06:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Zakusage has ownership issues.

Despite wikipedia having policy to the contrary, ZakuSage seems to think he owns PSP-related articles.

He defaced my user page yesterday as well as removing someone else's comments regarding his behavior from this page.

I think this is wrong behavior and am serving him formal warning to stop it here. I will CC this to the administrators' noticeboard in a moment. RunedChozo 20:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Give your grudges a break. This article has seen way too many references to firmware releases in the past, and has been cleaned up of them time and time again because the sheer number of them makes mentioning every little thing irrelevent. Also, take your sockpuppet elsewhere. - ZakuSage 21:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Zakusage, you seem obsessed with removing any notice that the PSP has had different firmware editions, as well as with misspelling the word "color." Also, I do not appreciate your lying about me, nor your making false accusations at other people. I have reported your behavior to the admins noticeboard and am working with them now. RunedChozo 21:24, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you even read WP:OWN? By the information on there, you're the one taking ownership of some of the text on the page. Not only have you taken offense for the removal of your addition, you completely went against what to do when you're going to post something like this on the talk page. From the policy page:

[...]Always avoid accusations, attacks, and speculations concerning the motivation of editors.[...]

[...]Stay calm, assume good faith, and remain civil: Accusing other editors of owning the article may appear aggressive, and could be perceived as a personal attack. Address the editor in a civil manner, with the same amount of respect you would expect.[...]

You need to stop this behaviour. - ZakuSage 01:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

A point I think I should make... As per Wikipedia policy (Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English), pages should use the form of English that the page first used when in non-stub form. Since the article used American english (color) all the way back in July 2004, that is the appropriate form for the article. However, it is not recommended that you change the spelling of other editors' contributions when their writing is understandable, and it is never acceptable to change the spelling in an editor's comment on a talk page (User:72.154.15.173). Since the article currently uses British English consistently (as far as I can see, anyway), that is the form that should be used, and editors are justified in reverting changes to existing spelling.

Now let's play nice and focus on contributing to the article rather than arguing about spelling :) - Davidjk ^(msg+edits) 09:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Firmware

I think that when a feature in this page is mentioned, it should be mentioned at what version of the firmware it was added if it was not originally available in the 1.00 or 1.50 releases.

This is not inconsequential information, as the PSP has evolved over time when Sony released new features for whatever reason.

At the moment even the firmware section itself doesn't mention what changes were made to the firmware over time. This is good information for us to have. RunedChozo 21:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

They were removed months ago because it was a tedious list of information with little value. - ZakuSage 21:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I've filed a RFC on this matter, I note ZakuSage is the only one who finds them "tedious" and suspect him to be a Sony employee. RunedChozo 21:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Give it a rest. I'm not a Sony employee, and I don't live anywhere near any Sony headquarters (Nova Scoita). Stop with the grudge matches, RunedChozo. - ZakuSage

It's also worth noting that I have a hacked PSP that I constantly run homebrew on. I, for one, do dwell over firmware in pretty much everything I do with the console (or at least I used to pre-3.0x OE), but it is a severe hinderence to readability, especially to users not technically savvy or familiar with the device. I mentioned this in a previous edit to this talkpage:

Just as an aside, I realize that most of the people editing an article on PSP are going to be those who are quite savvy with the device and would likely use homebrew programs and have a large focus on firmwares when doing anything with the device, including myself, however it really harms the readability of the average reader to incorporate such a focus into the article. Most people who will read this article will be confused if the focus leans to much on people who already know a lot about the device. I'm not saying we should write for the lowest common denominator, but we should try to work towards an article that is interesting and informative for all who read it. - ZakuSage 16:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, your request for comment is not only in entirely the wrong project (it should be under Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games), it shouldn't be placed in the top of the requests but rather on the bottom. - ZakuSage 23:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Get some help for your page ownership issues and stop trying to stonewall improvements to the article, then we'll get along fine. RunedChozo 22:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I have no ownership problems, remember to Wikipedia:Assume good faith. I'm not trying to stonewall improvements to the article; cluttering it with firmware features and mentions of firmware for every feature just makes it a mess, as can be seen in a previous version from a few months ago. - ZakuSage 23:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It's perfectly possible to make a clean article while mentioning the firmware at which a feature was changed or introduced, yes you ARE just trying to stonewall any improvements to the article, and you're probably a Sony plant or fanboy. RunedChozo 23:02, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

You can't get your way so you're continuing to make personal attacks? Cries of "FANBOY!"? Please stop this childish behaviour, it has no place here. I enjoy my GameCube and Xbox just as much as I do my PSP. - ZakuSage 23:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I support ZakuSage's edits, not only on substance and reason but on the grounds that every time RunedChozo comes around one of these articles he picks a fight. -- mattb @ 2007-01-24T23:36Z

I'm not "picking a fight", ZakuSage's the one trying to own the article. If you have a real reason that we shouldn't mention when a feature was introduced I'm all ears, but I doubt you'll bother to act in good faith, Zaku certainly doesn't. RunedChozo 23:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't an instruction guide or marketing material. That said, except for the last two sentences of the Firmware section, I think it's ok as it stands in the current version. To that, I'll add that I think the article as a whole is bloated and needs alot of trimming. Lastly, it does seem to me that RunedChozo is out of line. Thernlund ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 23:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems like he's just going out of his way to try and get me banned for no good reason. I'd imagine it has something to do with his previous grudge against me as seen here. - ZakuSage 00:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with runedchozo about an an expansion of the firmware portion of the article. It struck me as rather odd that it goes into absolutely no detail. While ZukaSage maintains that RunedChozo is merely here to attack and berate people, ZukaSage does merely dismiss RCs comments rather than discuss and come to consensus. Besides ZukaSage, didn't you just scold runechozo on Wikipedia:Assume good faith? --Thaddius 14:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I want ZakuSage to explain - even though I know he can't because it's completely indefensible - how it is that, when mentioning a feature on the PSP that wasn't in the original 1.0 firmware, a simple "This feature was added in Version X.XX of the firmware" sentence is "unacceptable" or "bloats" the article. RunedChozo 14:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you look at the previous version I supplied, when the article was a mess of firmware versions? Hell, the word "firmware" is used 33 times in it! - ZakuSage 16:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not trying to recreate that version, but I think that mentioning when a feature was added in Firmware is a good thing. This can be done in an encyclopedic way that does not detract from the readability of the article. Your insane opposition to an old version of the article and to even mentioning that the PSP firmware did not always have the features it has now is quite scary, as is your refusal to put forth any remotely plausible reasoning why these edits do not improve the article.

Screw it. I'm going to create a side version and fix it myself and just upload it when I'm done. You're obviously not interested in actually improving Wikipedia since you refuse to answer a simple question. RunedChozo 16:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC) I've created the page and started on it. If anyone has helpful suggestions feel free to edit it, it's at User:RunedChozo/PSP Temp Workspace. ZakuSage, you're invited too, but if you start being unhelpful I'll report you. RunedChozo 17:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

If you'd stop being such a dick we might actually be able to work together. Unforunitely, you seem to hate the very idea of a wiki and just want to have everything your way. - ZakuSage 19:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

"You're a [[dick]], [[dick]. Feel better now? I just welcomed you to work on my own workspace version where I'm trying to create a better version of this page, and this is how you respond? You still haven't answered a simple question, and you're spending your time attacking me personally and making lying accusations against me, so I have to conclude you aren't here to make wikipedia any better at all. RunedChozo 19:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:KETTLE, people. Nifboy 20:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

User:RunedChozo/PSP Temp Workspace has been improved and edited and I've tried putting the list of Firmware changes into a table to see how that looks. Comments from anybody but ZakuSage are welcome and requested, he's already proven he can't behave himself, all he does is leave harassing messages on the talk page that have no helpful suggestions at all. I want to make this article as good as it can be. RunedChozo 20:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

More lies, more lies. Wait until your little trail of vandalism on your sockpuppet page catches up with you. Justice will be served against your harassment of ME. - ZakuSage 20:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

You can stop lying any time now Zaku. Your edits offered NO helpful suggestion and were clearly just there to harass. RunedChozo 20:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but Zaku Sage was a HUGE douche bag, but he's gone now so lets forget him as quickly as possible.

Stop it, both of you

Because, quite clearly, no civility is going on here. Nifboy 23:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

At this point, as far as I'm concerned, the matter is now settled. I'll no longer be taking part in any more discussion on whether not to include firmware versions in this page, and it'll be left for the rest of the community to decide. I'll continue to avoid this user in the future. - ZakuSage 02:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Ruined Chozo did nothing but unprovoked flaming from his first reponse and got worse from there. Zaku tried to conduct a civilized discussion and was called a fanboy/employee for his trouble. As a result, an otherwise fine editor has now left Wikipedia indefinitly, but at least Chozo has been banned for a fortnight. The Kinslayer 10:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

agreed Juggaleaux 10:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Why was he only blocked for such a short period of time? His talk page is a massive mishmash of evidence of his misdeeds from the very beginning of his account creation. It's obvious that this RuinedChozo guy has been doing this sort of thing with impunity for a long time now- he picks fights with other users, ignores the rules, sends spam emails to users when he gets blocked, AND abuses the "unblockme" userpage tag after he gets blocked. Seems, given the extent of his behavior, that his damage to the project far outweighs his contributions to it. Ex-Nintendo Employee 12:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

No idea. It certainly seems to be a given that after his 2 week 'slap on the wrist' he's just gonna come back and continue. The Kinslayer 12:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

You can file an RFC on his behavior if you wish to get the attention of more users and admins. Depending on the outcome of the RFC and the next logical steps in that process, more permanent restrictions could be imposed. Note that it's actually better for someone not directly involved in a conflict to file the RFC. If ZakuSage were to file one, there would probably be accusations (perhaps valid ones) that the RFC is nothing but revenge. -- mattb @ 2007-02-02T13:17Z

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/RunedChozo Please come and leave any information you think is relevent. I've set it up as best I can, but I'd appreciate it if someone with a bit more experience of them could go through it and give it a tweak and tidy, thanks. The Kinslayer 13:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Why is this article locked down?

Why is this article locked down? That's not right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PSPMario (talk • contribs) 01:26, 28 January 2007.

It's to prevent vandalism from IPs and new users. What's "not right" about that? // PoeticDecay 03:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I thought the point was so that new people could fix things. What an elitist behavior.— Preceding unsigned comment added by PSPMario (talk • contribs)

Yes, preventing vandalism is elitism. Makes perfect sense. Don't worry, it'll be editable again soon. Then you can fix whatever is wrong with the article. --Thaddius 04:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Heh, you're a signed up user so you can edit it anyway, what are you worried about? --Thaddius 04:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

It still won't let me edit it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PSPMario (talk • contribs) 15:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

That's because your only edits thus far have been to this talk page. If you have a burning item that needs to be changed, feel free to mention it here and one of us will change it for you. -- mattb @ 2007-01-28T16:29Z

And it still won't let me edit.— Preceding unsigned comment added by PSPMario (talk • contribs)

As has been said, if you have a change that desperately needs making, you can post it on this talk page and someone else will be happy to make the edit for you. Also, please sign your comments in future using four tildes (~~~~). - Davidjk ^(msg+edits) 01:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Possible PSP 2?

I heard that Sony is in the works for a PSP 2 with a hard drive. To try and compete with the Ipod. If this is true we should definetly mention it in the article

I don't think it should be added since it's only a rumor. Until it's confirmed, it should stay out. Juggaleaux 05:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

okay i will wait until sony has a press conferance or something confirming it Tenio 17:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

These rumors are always floating around and so far none have been true. There was an article on maxconsole about Sony denying a hardware revision. It's safe to say they won't be doing this any time soon. --Thaddius 13:24, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thus far, the only thing even close to a PSP 2 making the rounds is the Sony Mylo (which doesn't play PSP games and is more of a media device). Until something is confirmed, we should hold off on indulging rumors. Sir 0rion 22:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

but would heart our gameing ecnomy becuase the (sony computer entertainment amriaca) the compny we work

with the playstion and others from the compny would be the more dominit spices of consul make sease???—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.7.136.104 (talk • contribs) 03:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Some details that the next version will be similar in function by slimmer have been provided (not in print, but reported) by Ray Mguire by the head of Sony Computer Entertainment ref: http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2185441/sony-psp-redesign So can we please at least mention it ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.138.251.136 (talk • contribs) 14:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that depends on what is to be mentioned. What exactly are you proposing to add? Dancter 15:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I would propose "According to Ray Mguire, head of Sony Computer Entertainment, a new version of the PSP will be launched with similar capabilities and the same screen size but in a smaller form factor. Sony have not confirmed or denied anything regarding a PSP2 with features such a built in Eye-Toy camera - as speculated on several web sites".

List of launch titles

Probably, some reference to the List of PlayStation Portable launch titles should be added in the article. I created that article but can't edit this one due to the date of my registration. --Rtut 15:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Shipped vs. Sold?

The summary bar at the top says Units Sold, but the source [1] only provides units shipped. The same goes for source [2], which quotes the same 24.70 million number with a breakdown of shipments, not units sold. There is a huge distinction between these two ideas, and Sony rarely, if ever, announces how many units they actually sold.

I realize that the actual data in the right column says shipped, but the bold letters on the left column are misleading. While it might be standard practice to mention Units Sold for a video game system, if such data is never available, then there's no point using that phrase IMO.Eliwood914 09:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to "Discussions About The PSP Shipments" Eliwood914. You are topic creator number 1064, please take a number. There's nothing "misleading" about anything- it's clearly stated MULTIPLE times in the article that the numbers are shipped numbers, not sold numbers. Ex-Nintendo Employee 16:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Firmware Revisions

Updated the firmware revision information, can someone just double check it though as I'm unsure about half the stuff I wrote (it's all off the top of my head!)and I don't have access to yourpsp.com from college to check it all. Thanks Huds601 13:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

All the firmware versions are available at psp-hacks.com too. Why is psp-hacks.com not listed in the external links? alias420

Thanks so much for putting up a firmware revision list, I can ask for my temp-page that I was working on to be deleted now. This makes the article much better. I've put up a list of the SE/OE firmware revisions as well.RunedChozo 23:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have a look at trying to improve the layout. Perhaps put it into a table, as only the main features of the updates have been listed. Also I'll look at improvng the custom firmware information. Huds601 09:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Proposed merge

I proposed that List of PlayStation Portable launch titles should be put into this article. If not: the list of launch titles needs to go. I see it being notable, but all consoles and handhelds have launch titles. It's an article better suited for a gaming site/game wiki. If someone really wants to know, they can read a gaming site or game wiki. RobJ1981 20:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Oppose. Article is long enough, and a list of 23 games would be way too much. I'm fine with just something like "was launched on <date> with 23 launch titles." Juggaleaux 01:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge. I couldn't agree with you more Rob, a merging of the list of launch titles would be nice, seeing as all of the other portable and non-portable consoles all have a list of launch titles...and I don't think it would make the article that much bigger! §†SupaSoldier†§ 17:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Oppose. It was my understanding that lists are discouraged on wikipedia, unless they are standalone articles named as such. It is not needed on the page and a quick link to a seperate page is completely reasonable. --Thaddius 16:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Oppose I don't see where it does anything for this article to have that moved in. RunedChozo 23:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Oppose - Though I agree an article of a list isn't very encyclopedic, it wouldn't benefit the PSP article if the list was just merged to it. To be fair something like the Wii launch article would be far more appropriate, not just for PSP but for every gaming console. - Throw 09:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Propose to Add section with PSP Model Numbers?

I think there is value to adding model numbers to the article, primarily due to the UMD region restriction. If someone wants to buy a color not available in their region, the model numbers can help identify if a different color is available that is still compatible with UMD movies of their region. Thoughts? Wikipedia XP 23:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I came up with this yes indeed

I agree with the people removing the list. It isn't necessary or informative. Obviously if I buy a PSP from Japan it's going to have the same restrictions as a DVD player, and every DVD player article doesn't have a list of serial numbers for each region. It just takes up space and makes a good article look ugly. - Throw 05:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I do not agree with you at all. There are only one player of UMD-movies, the PSP, but there are tons of DVD-players in the market. Look at the Swedish PSP article [1], it's just so much better than the English version, and it has got information about model numbers. 87.227.62.166 11:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

PSP Motherboard Information

I'd like to add a section regarding motherboard revisions. We have the TA-079 and TA-082 pages at the moment, (TA-086 hasn't been created yet) as nothing really links to them. Perhaps a merge could be done? Huds601 09:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any substantive information other than the home-brew specifics (which are covered on the homebrew page)? Both TA-079 and TA-082 just redirect to this article at present. If you do have some non-home-brew information, however, I'd certainly be interested in seeing it included. Jshiell 13:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Latest firmware

"9.00 - 10/03/2007 - New Feature TV Channels. Channels available only in Japan, US and UK. Security update."

I've heard absolutly nothing about this. Putting up a fact tag. --Thaddius 20:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, it's just vandalism (suspected as much). Can someone else revert it? --Thaddius 20:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

In need of translation

Could someone please translate something from the Swedish article since it is better than this, the English, article. 87.227.62.166 16:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Custom Firmware and Edits

Can we please leave the custom firmware section there and stop deleting it. It is highly important to the history of the PSP, as well as it's current and future development.

Also, I think the article needs to be locked again. There seems to be alot fo edits going on, and I don't think mnay of them have been beneficial. 82.46.37.33 17:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I had it locked out and have attempted to piece everything back. I think the article is currently in a good state. --Auto^{(talk / contribs)} 19:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)