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Bonnie Wright English Actress

I found a video where she claims be of Irish heritage shall make edit to her page? 109.78.178.86 (talk) 17:01, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

where? lettherebedarklight晚安 17:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I found a video saying that black is white.[1] Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:29, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Please familiarise yourself with our rules on sources, at this link. YouTube is not a reliable source, as anyone can make whatever they like, without it being reasonably checked. MM (Errors.) ^{(Successful Ops)} 10:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

subjugation is liberation cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 12:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Archiving

Hi, im new to editing and am just wondering about archiving (live) websites that I am citing. Is there a bot which goes to the wayback machine, creates an archive, and then adds the link to your citation? BennBluee (talk) 01:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, there is! You can try it at Meta:InternetArchiveBot. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 02:06, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Cool! Looking here (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/InternetArchiveBot) I found this:

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Even if the bot is not running on a given wiki, the Internet Archive create archives of almost every new external link added to every Wikimedia wiki, and has been since 2013. If a bot is blocked or disabled on a wiki, it does not stop this work.

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and looking here (https://iabot.toolforge.org/?page=runpages) the IAbot is active on enwiki (which is the wiki i am editing)

so does this mean the IAbot is already active on english wikipedia and will add archive urls to any external links I add? BennBluee (talk) 02:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't think so AFAIK, IA Bot only archives websites automatically. To actually add those archive links to Wikipedia articles, you need to send a request to archive that page. Some pages are not archivable because of paywalls or other technological restrictions. You need to verify that the archive links are actually useful. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 02:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! BennBluee (talk) 02:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

To clarify, Internet Archive will create archives of websites linked to by wikipedia (you will see "wikipedia outlinks" or something like that in the reason for scan on the IA website). That's an IA process and has nothing to do with editing the articles here; it makes no edits to wikipedia when it does this. That's not the same as the IAbot you can use to add archive links to articles. -- asilvering (talk) 04:06, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Your main question has already been answered, so I'm just putting this here to clear something up: The Internet Archive operates independently of Wikipedia and it has its own bots crawling the internet and archiving pages without any input from us, as well as people who archive pages manually. It's a fantastic resource that we use a lot, but it's not part of Wikipedia, it's its own thing. You can look up archived links or archive them yourself if you go here: https://archive.org/web/ - there is a pretty good chance that the pages you're using have already been archived. ReneeWrites (talk) 10:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, i recently submitted an article of noted media personality in Nepal, which was deleted.

Deleted with the message:

10:21, 18 June 2023 Jimfbleak talk contribs deleted page Draft:Sareeta Shri Gyawali (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: see WP:COI, WP:RS, [[WP:Notability (people}]]) (thank)

I was wondering why the article was deleted? while similar article are already there. Also there were reliable references too.

What is the criteria to get the article approved? Sujansiddhi (talk) 03:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The article was deleted because it read like an advertisement. Our articles need to be written from a neutral point of view and be reliably sourced, among other things, to be approved. Please read Help:Your first article and the pages I linked above for more information. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 03:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I am newbie and still confused, there are very reliable sources in the article, mostly of the news portal. Is it the tone of the writing? Yes i have also referenced her own website, is that the reason?

It is highly appreciated if i know the exact reason so that i can rectify.. Sujansiddhi (talk) 04:40, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The exact reason is because the tone of the draft wasn’t neutral, it was very bias and only served to promote an individual or product. We also like to use reliable secondary sources, independent of the subject when writing articles, but that isn’t the reason the page was deleted. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 10:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Sujansiddhi You also asked this at AfC. Please don't ask the same question in multiple places simultaneously. -- asilvering (talk) 04:01, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Apologies. Noted. Sujansiddhi (talk) 04:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

How to change a page's name?

Singer, Chloe Bailey is know as Chlöe when performing solo, and I wanted her page name to reflect that. Kamo0606 (talk) 04:38, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Kamo0606 and welcome to the Teahouse.

You can rename an article by clicking Move located in the More box (located between a star icon and the search box. There, you can type the new article name and a reason why. For further information, please see WP:MOVE.

Note: Before renaming, it is probably better to start a discussion on the article's talk page if other editors agree to the article rename (In order to not have an edit war breaking out.)

Hope this helps and happy editing! 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 04:53, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Kamo0606 (talk) 16:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Two new articles rejected erroneously

Please see Draft:Oleg Rogynskyy - there are several solid independent sources with deep coverage: Forbes, Bloomberg, Financial Times. Yet the complaint is that they are not sufficient and that the subject of the article writes about himself. Yet, I wrote the text myself based on references. Why would anyone make these empty accusations? Also, I don't have a Conflict of Interest here. Same problem with the Draft:People.ai page, which I created.

Igor Markov 06:22, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Igor Markov: While I have not yet looked at any of the sources, it looks like User:Rogynskyy, who shares their username with the person being written about, made contributions to each page very quickly after their creation - this suggests to others that you may be working with the subject of the article in at least some fashion. Is this correct? Tollens (talk) 06:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of his changes, but he did email me after the pages were created and pointed out a spelling mistake I made in his last name. Most likely, he was notified of page creation by automatic monitoring software. I don't see this being anywhere close to the conflict of interest. Igor Markov 06:35, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens- thank you for the quick response. Igor Markov 06:38, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

If Rogynskyy's edits are a problem, then they can be reverted. They have nothing to do with the excellent sources in the articles and the text that I wrote. Igor Markov 06:40, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Igor Markov, the mere fact that he emailed you suggests a conflict of interest. What have reliable sources (independent of Oleg Rogynskyy) said about him? (Incidentally, an article about him would refer to "Rogynskyy", not to "Oleg".) What have reliable sources (independent of People.ai) said about People.ai? (Incidentally, what does "account and opportunity management solutions" mean?) -- Hoary (talk) 06:40, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Let's unroll this. I created the pages for "Roginskyy" and "People.ai" with no coordination with anyone. Rogynskyy was somehow notified and sent me a short message via the Wikipedia (as the author of the article) pointing out the spelling problem. I moved the page to fix spelling. What now? - unpublish the article and complain about the independent sources that I found? The answer to your question about independent sources is in the article - all material I wrote is from independent sources and I cite them. I did not use any personal knowledge. Changing the first name to last name is trivial (and I consider calling people by their last name less polite).

Most important, how do we fix the baseless comments about the sources and the subject's notability? Igor Markov 06:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary - thank you for chiming in quickly. I'd appreciate it if you looked at the article and let me know if there is a problem to fix. Igor Markov 06:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Pinging Edit.pdf, the editor who draftified the articles. Tollens (talk) 06:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens thanks! It's quite clear to me that Igor Markov has likely been paid by Rogynksy that I don't know what to add more. However, I've checked the sources and found them to be unreliable and lacking depth. The author's persistent attempts to republish these pages further convinces me that they could be a paid contributor. At this point, I see no other recourse but to follow the Articles for Creation (AfC) process and remain patient. Again, I checked the sources on both pages and they are not sufficient per WP NCOPR or ANybio (on my point of view). Edit.pdf (talk) 07:02, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Please stop this slander. I have not been paid by anyone for any wikis. Igor Markov 07:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Edit.pdf I think we need to get another opinion here. Each of the two articles has several sources that satisfy the four requirements. This is easy to see. Igor Markov 07:10, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Edit.pdfWhat do you mean by "persistent attempts to republish"? I have not submitted the articles for republishing - not a single attempt yet. Igor Markov 07:12, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary, I apologize if I'm causing any inconvenience. I wanted to let you know that I believe the discussion could now be concluded. Thank you for your attention. Edit.pdf (talk) 07:16, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens - I tried to reason with @Edit.pdf, but to no avail. What other options do we have here? And how do we stop this slander by @Edit.pdf? Igor Markov 07:36, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I quote: Oleg moved to Canada, where the job market was more favorable. He led the sales effort at a Canadian startup, Nstein Technologies. In 2009, he returned to the U.S. as the head of growth at a Boston-based company, Lexalytics, where he worked for two years. He then founded Semantria that developed software to analyse text data on social media. In 2014, Oleg sold the company to Lexalytics for $10 million. Unreferenced. Oleg's work was recognized in the Time Magazine article "2022 Person of the Year: The Spirit of Ukraine". President Volodymyr Zelensky honored Oleg with the Order of Merit (Ukraine) 3rd degree. Both of these are good. But what did Time say? (Recognized in the article as/for what?) Awarded the Order of Merit for what? This additional information is not necessary: if he verifiably got such-and-such an award but no reliable source says why, the award may be mentioned. But adding material would help demonstrate his significance. Your last point assumes that the comments about the sources and the subject's notability were baseless. NB "notability" in this context means "notability" as defined by and for English-language Wikipedia. (This may differ from notability as you understand it and it differs greatly from notability as I understand it.) Sources for a claim of notability must be "reliable" as "reliability" is defined ditto. Quote: Later, as the invasion unfolded, he realized the value of modern information technologies at the battlefield and started helping his friends at the front lines, while marshalling resources of the Technology Community in the West. “This is the first war with Wi-Fi in every trench,” he noted to Wired. “World War I–style trench warfare with 3,500 Starlink internet satellites in the air. Every soldier is a content creator, and the amount of content being created is just tremendous.” There's nothing much wrong with this, but it doesn't help a claim of notability. What would be good would be a reliable source (of course independent of OR) saying much the same thing and also that OR had made a significant contribution towards achieving this goal. -- Hoary (talk) 07:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary- thank you for taking time to read the text. Frankly, I am not entirely following what you consider sufficient and what not. Rogynskyy is the founder and CEO of a sizable company, and this is covered in depth by several reliable independent sources (Forbes, Financial Times, Bloomberg). That makes him notable. Some sources do not cover him in depth, and that's OK. For example, his Order of Merit (Ukraine) only mentions his job title and has no citation. Same for other recipients. But this does not invalidate the solid sources. Igor Markov 07:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary- in other words, imagine that the text you quoted didn't exist. There should be enough notability in the remaining parts of the article. Needless to say, some information, such as why the Times Magazine mentioned him, is not available to me. I can't ask Rogynskyy. And I can't ask President Zelensky why he gave Rogynskyy an Order of Merit. But this isn't necessary to establish notability. Agree? Igor Markov 07:31, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Igor Markov, let's get back to your initial assertion: "there are several solid independent sources with deep coverage: Forbes, Bloomberg, Financial Times". Forbes: agreed. Bloomberg: The title of the piece suggests otherwise, but I can't judge (or, if you prefer, I am too stingy to judge) because it's behind a paywall. Financial Times: The draft currently cites two FT pieces. The title of one suggests that it's based on an interview, which would be problematic; the title of the other suggests that it's less about the man than about the company; but NB my use of the word "suggests" and anyway I again have the paywall impediment. Perhaps other experienced editors who frequent this page will have access to one or both websites. I recommend being patient for a few hours and seeing if anyone will helpfully chime in. -- Hoary (talk) 08:25, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary - thank you. That's reasonable, and I am not in any rush. In the meantime, I reread the Ukrainian-language reference for the Order of Merit, and it does have a citation (same for many recipients including Anderson Cooper, Christianne Amanpour, etc). I added a translated version for completeness. Igor Markov 08:31, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Also added a Wall Street Journal reference, although its level of detail is debatable. Igor Markov 08:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary - what do you think of The Tribune reference? It's an Indian source, independent, and covers the subject in depth. In any case, you liked the Forbes source, perhaps you are OK with the Order of Merit (Ukraine) as an indication of notability (the list of other recipients there is very impressive). How many sources do we need? Thank you. Igor Markov 22:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Igor Markov, the Ukrainian award went to a great number of people; of course being one of those so honoured has some significance, but I wouldn't make too much of it. ¶ This The Tribune that you cite seems to be a website devoted to the western and southern fringes of what used to be the Soviet Union. (Or more likely, seems to have been; although a publisher's demise isn't a criticism of what it produced while it existed.) There's no obvious relationship to the Indian Tribune. The particular cited page from The Tribune is detailed, and isn't obviously promotional; but it's unsigned and I'm not sure that it isn't a mere advertorial. ¶ Usually, just three good sources -- that is, just three that both are reliable and go into some depth. ¶ If one or two (or of course more) among [... pause while I look for a few names who've recently been active as shown below ...] Cullen328, David notMD, Mike Turnbull, Nick Moyes, 331dot, and Tigraan (or of course others here) would comment on the depth of coverage provided by the more-or-less-promising-sounding sources (Bloomberg, FT, WSJ) from which I'm separated by a paywall, this would be helpful. -- Hoary (talk) 23:18, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary, just to clarify the significance of a major state award given by the President - doesn't it support that the person made major contributions in some field? For example, for scientists and engineers, being an IEEE Fellow is recognized as sufficient for Wikipedia notability (incidentally, I've been an IEEE Fellow for a while :). The fact that many people get IEEE Fellow elevation every year and are listed in one document isn't an impediment. The same about the Order of Merit (Ukraine) - it's awarded once per year to many recipients. In comparison, articles that feature some people are published by many magazines every day (not as prestigious). Just thinking aloud. - Igor Markov 00:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Igor Markov, I can't comment offhand about the IEEE matter/analogy; but I agree with the rest. Yes, the award supports notability, as you and I understand the latter. However, Wikipedia has a very different (and arguably perverse) notion of notability. What we want are three sources that are independent of each other and reliable (as defined here) and go into depth. Alternatives (such as two sources plus a truly remarkable award) would be considered. -- Hoary (talk) 01:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Paywalls also prevent me from evaluating several of the sources. I will comment on two of the sources. The Forbes source was written by a so-called "Forbes contributor" and the consensus of the community is that this type of content is unreliable due to lack of adequate editorial oversight. See WP:FORBESCONTRIBUTOR for details. As for the Time magazine source, it is mostly a couple of quotes from Rogynskyy, and I do not consider it either significant or independent coverage. Its function seems to be to imply that Rogynskyy must be notable if Time mentioned him in passing. If so, that is incorrect. As for the Order of Merit, evaluating its significance requires a deeper understanding of its prestige and exclusivity. Countries tend to give out lots of medals and awards during wartime. For example, I have seen editors argue that the Distinguished Flying Cross confers notability in the United States, but the fact is that over 20,000 were awarded during World War II, and many thousands subsequently. So, my recommendation to Igor Markov is to remove the weaker references and to remove the poorly referenced content, and then resubmit. Quality is more important than quantity. Cullen328 (talk) 00:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328, yes, I remember now about WP:FORBESCONTRIBUTOR. Good point. Actually the Time source wasn't among those I asked about (not that you said that it was). -- Hoary (talk) 01:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328 - thank you for looking into this carefully and explaining your thought process. Clearly, the stated guidelines have a lot of folklore in how they are interpreted and enforced, but that's a topic for another day :)

In writing the text, I tried to cover the subject based on public info, rather than try to substantiate every paragraph with high-quality sources (I thought this explicitly was not required), but can trim the text to emphasize stronger sources. I do pay for subscriptions to several top US sources and am surprised that this causes problems (maybe the Wikipedia can address this at the institutional level). Igor Markov 02:46, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Igor Markov The Wikimedia Foundation does try to assist by giving established editors access to The Wikipedia Library, through which many paywalled sources can be accessed. I put Rogynskyy's name into the search box for the library and it gave plenty of hits but unfortunately they were exclusively press releases from People.ai or brief mentions or items based on interviews. I could not find any that met the key criteria. (The FT article was not among the hits as it isn't available through the library.) Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hoary & Cullen328 I found a loophole to read most newspapers/magazines which limit how many articles you can read within a certain period, or have paywalls...

By archiving them on the Wayback Machine and Archive.today first.

Then I'll read the archived versions, which usually don't contain the restrictions, no matter how old or new the archived articles are.

I first noticed it (around 5 years ago) when my main daily local newspaper (along with its 4 sister titles, and most likely the 100s more newspapers/magazines owned by the parent company) decided to become a paid subscription model, and restricted how many articles you could read for free every month.

I remember it being 10 free articles a month which was ridiculous imo, as I only read the stories about local filming, and after a quick search, their 2019 T&C's confirm what I remember.

Recently I seem to be able to read more stories (unless I just think I've clicked on more than 10 stories a month, when I haven't), so they might have increased the number of articles you can read in a month without mentioning it anywhere, although it does say in the 2019 T&C's that breaking news, and court documents don't count towards the 10 articles limit, so that could be why.

There's also at least 5-10 random mirror sites websites on the internet which copy articles from various news sources word for word, so all you would need to do is search for an articles title word for word to find one of those random mirror sites, and read it for free. Danstarr69 (talk) 13:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Renaming Bangalore

Is it ok to move Bangalore to Bengaluru? — Akshadev™ 🔱 07:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Bangalore and read, digest, and think about what's written there. If, having done this, you wish to propose moving to "Bengaluru", follow the regular procedure for such a proposal. -- Hoary (talk) 07:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Conflicting Numbers

I'm currently updating an awards type article, by a well respected national charity organisation, which gives out funding. Coincidentally a news story about these awards popped up in my newsfeed not long ago.

I was searching for some simpler information about a different funding project, by the same organisation, when I noticed it would be better in a table, as there seems to be a lot of extra information added, which isn't listed by the organisation themselves.

On their website, they say the number of awards there currently are, along with a date (which is obviously when it was written, as the number then matches the date).

For example: 175 awards, on the 1st of January 2018.

Yet the file containing a list of the awards next to the description, shows that there's actually more.

For example: 200 awards.

Therefore they clearly haven't updated their website in 5 years, and have only updated the list itself, so now all the news stories are also mentioning the 5 year out of date number.

Should I ignore the number mentioned in news stories and in the dated description on the website, and write the actual number of awards?

Or should I still use the number mentioned in news stories and in the dated description on the website, even though it's 5 years out of date and incorrect, as the updated table will show? Danstarr69 (talk) 07:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Danstarr69, and welcome to the Teahouse. Could you link the article which has this issue? It may provide context for other editors to assist and decide what the best course of action is. ContributeToTheWiki (talk • contribs) 14:28, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Waiting for Wikipedia page/draft review

I wrote a draft of a Wikipedia page on March 8th, and it is still awaiting review. When I uploaded it, the expected waiting time was three months, but as of today, it has been four months. Do you think this is normal, or did I do something wrong? Here is the link to the draft. Thank you!" Franca47 (talk) 07:44, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Franca47, unfortunately it is normal. Actually it's worse than you seem to think. I quote: "This may take 4 months or more" (my emphasis). -- Hoary (talk) 08:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Franca47 You created the Italian version of this article in February and the English draft is clearly a translation of that. For copyright purposes, you need to follow the guidance at WP:TRANSLATE and HELP:HOWTRANS which include advice about which templates to use to show you have copied from within Wikipedia. Part of the reason the draft is slow to be reviewed is that there are a limited number of reviewers fluent in Italian who can verify the content against the sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Michael D. Turnbull

Could you please indicate as an example an English Wikipedia page that is a translation of an already existing Wikipedia page in another language? Thank you. Franca47 (talk) 13:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Franca47: You can find plenty of those at pages needing translation , in different stages of translation, quality and/or copyediting. Lectonar (talk) 14:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Franca47 One I have edited is Hessische Staatskanzlei. See its Talk Page and history for some places where it is mentioned it is a (partial) translation. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:38, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Apologies if I've missed something, Michael D. Turnbull, but if Franca47 wrote the Italian Wikipedia article and is now contributing an English translation here, I don't think attribution is required (see WP:NOATT). Isn't it only if other editors have written the text that's being translated that attribution is needed? Cordless Larry (talk) 15:08, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry That's an interesting point I wasn't aware of. While Franca47 was the original author who first created it:Carmimari in February, by March (when work on the draft translation began) it had several contributing editors in its Italian edit history. Clearly we need a lawyer to sort this out (joke)! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:22, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Michael D. Turnbull. I think that Franca47 should be fine not to attribute if what's been translated is just their original Italian text, but if the contributions of any of those other editors have been included in what's been translated, then attribution is required (and perhaps it's best to provide it anyway, just to be on the safe side!). Cordless Larry (talk) 15:51, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

New article, (non-)independent sources

Hello,

I really need help with my article I drafted: Draft:Mykola Gnatovskyy

I spend a lot of time creating it, so I would be really grateful, if it wasn't in vain. I am a bit frustrated, because everytime I fix something that is critizised, something new comes up, so it would be really helpful, if some lovely soul out here could tell me more in detail what needs to be changed.

The last thing that came up was that the article relies too much on non-independent sources, so it would be soooo helpful, if someone could tell me which sources I used exactly are to be considered independent / non-independent. Also I am wondering if that actually is the case, because standing alone, some of my sources might not be reliabel, but I often have three different sources from different organizations that are telling the same story - doesn't this make it reliable? It would be great, if someone could explain this to me.

Thanks a lot!

Karla Karla.koala (talk) 08:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Karla.koala, the draft currently cites his own CV 35 times. Start by removing each of the 35. -- Hoary (talk) 08:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

ok thanks, I did Karla.koala (talk) 08:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Karla.koala. Having removed those references to his own CV, it might then help us if you identified just the THREE best sources that you think show him to be Notable. You may have fallen into the trap of adding far too much detailed information that cannot be verified from sources independent of him. Buit, to be honest, until his CV has been removed as a sources of 'facts', there's no point doing anything el;se right now. You can use a CV to substantiate a date of birth, but nothing else, please. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:42, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Nick, thank you for your input. I deleted the CV as a source. You might be right about some details.

The following sources are the ones I would consider to best show his notability and to be reliable at the same time, I could not really decide on three, so its five, I hope that is ok. I would be grateful if you could evaluate this point of view of mine and maybe tell me which ones are the best three:

[2]

[3]

[4]

[5]

[6]

Thanks again for your advise! Karla.koala (talk) 09:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi again, Karla.koala Your first source, though official-looking, would appear to be a personal blog, not an institutional one. Whilst its editors are both professors of human rights, I still feel it is not as sound as one managed by the ECHR itself.

That said, our notability guidelines for judges and politicians (see WP:JUDGE) does indicate that a position on an international level makes them notable. I see they are currently a redlink at List of judges of the European Court of Human Rights. The other sources are OK, albeit somewhat 'insider'-based. But WP:JUDGE should mean that an article is merited. Finding mainstream newspaper media that talk about him is helpful, too.

My suggestion is to severely trim down the article to a much, much shorter page by removing lots of trivial achievements. Try to think of this as being a summary encyclopaedia entry, rather than a detailed CV, and you'll probably have more luck when you submit it again for review. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I found this article in an Irish newspaper, which I think is valuable for showing international reporting of his stance on calling for Putin to face war crime charges. I would certainly put that in, whilst cutting out so much other, less important stuff. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:31, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Let me know if this is fine

I have been sanctioned and would like to avoid any further sanctions (see User_talk:Abecedare#Topic ban), so I feel it is good to ask here before I do anything. For the Rape_in_Afghanistan article, under the section Afghan law, I want to add, "According to Islamic law, rape by the husband (marital rape) is not recognised as an offence. The same is accepted in Afghan law. Prosecution of rape under the category of zina makes rape extremely difficult to prove and exposes the victims to jail sentences for reporting that illicit intercourse was forced upon them. Due to a number of high-profile instances, the risk of being prosecuted for zina creates a strong disincentive for women to report rape in some Muslim countries today." The last two sentences were copied from the Rape in Islamic law article as they were and the first sentence is altered a bit. In the same section, "Afghan law", there is a sentence, "With the support of the conservative and political elite, Afghan courts have taken and continue to take action in efforts to remove, lessen, or limit women's rights" which uses a pre-Taliban takeover source; what can be done about that (remove, edit or replace with a source that says that it is no longer so)?-1Firang (talk) 08:34, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I also want to add, "The Taliban have also abducted and locked up in a house at least twenty to twenty-five young Hazara females who were raped every night, after taking over Afghanistan.". Is this sentence a good paraphrased sentence of what the source says?-1Firang (talk) 08:54, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I would not make the first edit you suggest. The article on "Islamic Perspective on Marital Rape" does not discuss Afghanistan but Indonesia, and "according to Islamic law, rape by the husband (marital rape) is not recognised as an offence" does not strike me as a fair interpretation of what the source says. "The same is accepted in Afghan law" is unsourced. Finally, "Due to a number of high-profile instances, the risk of being prosecuted for zina creates a strong disincentive for women to report rape in some Muslim countries today" is likely to be considered a violation of your topic ban, as the "some Muslim countries" in the source include Pakistan. (And, again, the source does not discuss Afghanistan!) Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

What about the second proposal? I want to add it to the Rape_in_Afghanistan#Afghan Taliban section.-1Firang (talk) 10:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

As for your second proposed edit, I do not think that the HRW report is sufficient to report in Wikipedia's voice that this happened; the claim about the twenty to twenty-five women is a report by an unnamed witness, and HRW's own comment is The difficulties inherent in documenting such attacks on women are many [...] We thus underscore the need for an investigation that is prepared to examine the full range of reported violations, including sexual violence. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:53, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

How about adding, "Human rights watch has asked for an investigation that is "prepared to examine the full range of reported violations, including sexual violence", after the Taliban took over Afghanistan in 2021."-1Firang (talk) 10:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The report was written in 1998 about "a massacre of civilians and other serious breaches of international humanitarian law committed in Afghanistan in August 1998", and cannot possibly support any claims about what happened "after the Taliban took over Afghanistan in 2021". Given that you already have one topic ban in the WP:ARBIPA topic area, and Afghanistan is part of this contentious topic, I would strongly advise you to steer well clear – editing in a contentious topic like this requires you to be scrupulously careful, and asking about using a report written about the Taliban in 1998 to support claims about their activities in 2021 suggests to me that you are not being careful enough. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks a lot!-1Firang (talk) 12:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

References

How can I see my article?

I have entered a page but if I search from google I cannot find it, have I skipped any steps? Cherielechat1.0 (talk) 12:03, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Cherielechat1.0 and welcome to the Teahouse. User pages are not indexed by Google. Also see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, as Wikipedia is not a web host for self-promotion. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:06, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Cherielechat1.0, please also note that your Userpage is not a place to store articles. Qcne (talk) 13:21, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

You will want to visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. 331dot (talk) 13:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Cherielechat1.0 To be clear: Use WP:AFC to create a draft about Mori. All content in the draft must be supported by references. What you think and what you know is useless. Unless there are valid refs, don't bother. If you do decide to create a draft, do so by cutting all the content you have placed on your User page and pasting that into the draft.

IF (big if) you succeed in having your draft rviewed and accepted by a reviewer (a process that can take months), more time will pass before it is seen via a Google search. David notMD (talk) 15:23, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, the user page has been speedily deleted: A non-contributor's misuse of Wikipedia as a web host. If you need to reclaim the content to start a draft, follow the instructions given in the recent talk page message. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

And Draft:Cherielechat1.0 has now been deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 07:49, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

the emoji movie: the game

do article edits with emojis (outside of maybe usernames in tweets) get filtered on the spot? cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 12:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Cog-san. I'm not aware of such a filter on page content. Some characters are blacklisted in page names but a page can still be created by an administrator and edited by others. Are you trying to do something which doesn't work? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

i just noticed it was the one type of vandalism that never popped up in the edit histories, and found one edit with them filtered on an ip's log

and thanks

i should probably clarify that i really don't want to do that myself, not because it's almost always vandalism, but because i hate emojis cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 14:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cog-san Better not read Emoji, then. That article appears to confirm there isn't an edit filter. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

frick!

but on a related note, it seems that actually exists as filter 680, and the emoji article is specifically whitelisted from it cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 11:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Searching for a light and imaging wikipedia expert

Hello everyone,

I'm currently looking for a moderator that is acquainted with the light and imaging science (or with scientific reviews reading in general).

I'm trying to create a wikipage for the company currently employing me that has a very unique technology. Here is the link to the review of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 June 7#:~:text=12-,:37,,-7 June 2023 review of submission by Pierre Boltoukhine[|my submission]]. Also, here is the link to my latest exchange with other moderators who advised me to seek help here. On the latest link you can find the studies that I submitted to the other wiki moderators. Pierre Boltoukhine (talk) 12:40, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

That first link is this. Pierre Boltoukhine, Wikipedia doesn't have moderators. It has a very few "arbitrators", but these only get involved in extraordinary situations. It has many "administrators", but I don't see why you need one of these, either. If the technology truly is unique (let alone very unique), perhaps an article about it would be a better idea than one about the (your) company. -- Hoary (talk) 13:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy to Teahouse Hosts: Draft in question is Draft:Nüvü Camēras Inc. Pierre has declared PAID on User page. Status is submitted once, declined once. P.S. Nüvü Camēras Inc is not the author of any sci journal articles. David notMD (talk) 15:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Pierre Boltoukhine Ten of the 27 refs are to sci journal articles which have OD - a founder of Nüvü Camēras Inc - as a co-author. These cannot be considered as independent refs toward contributing to Wikipedia notability. Furthermore, the refs are about the technology, but not about the company. User:Hoary's suggestion that an article about the technology rather than the company may hold merit. David notMD (talk) 02:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Allowed Sources

Hello! I would like to ask if this source is reliable and if I can use it on Wikipedia as a reference: https://random-times.com/2018/10/11/svl-the-very-fast-soviet-jet-propelled-train-of-1970/

This is the draft I’m working on: Draft:High-speed Laboratory Railcar (SVL)

Thanks, Brevqvist (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Neither the about-us page (complete with a gmail contact address) nor the image credit of Images from web // Public Demain (what you find on the web, most of the time, is not public domain) fills me with much confidence. I would say it is shaky.

You might want to take a look at the sources currently present at Turbojet_train#SVL, at least some of them would be reusable. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Referencing tech companies in body text

I'm drafting a page about a tech company in my sandbox and wonder if I should reference (in any mode) companies that the reader is probably not going to recognize? Thanks for any insights.. I'm a beginner but understand the COI requirements. Crystallake69 (talk) 16:34, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Crystallake69: The ability of readers to recognize a company is irrelevant. What matters is whether the source is reliable, independent of the subject of your article, and provides significant coverage of the subject of your article. See WP:Golden Rule for guidance.

The draft you mistakenly put in your user page about Tagos was rather promotional and the sources cited failed those requirements.

To start a draft article properly, follow the directions at WP:AFC.

But first, see the paid editing notice on your talk page. You are required to disclose your relationship with the company. This is a legally binding requirement that you agreed to abide by when you created an account here. If you continue editing without disclosure, your account will be blocked. See WP:PAID for guidance. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Made attempt at including on Talk but didn't see space in paid template for details mentioned on help page. Crystallake69 (talk) 17:36, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Publishing a Biography page about a movie producer

I have tried publishing the page about the movie producer, yet, it got declined saying that iMDB is not a valid resource. I am not sure which resources I should get, as the iMDB is the industry standard - and all information about the person can be found there.

Please advise, many thanks! Mili Radumilo (talk) 17:28, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mili Radumilo, and welcome to the Teahouse! IMDB is user-generated and therefore not considered reliable. It seems like you may have written your draft backward, writing the article first, then looking for sources afterward. It is highly recommended to write the article the other way - look for sources first, then write the article using only content from those sources. This ensures that the resulting draft is fully supported by reliable sources, and that you can be certain of the subject's notability. For information on what constitutes a reliable source, have a look at the reliable sources policy. If it is not possible to find reliable, independent sources with in-depth coverage of the subject of the article, the subject is not considered to be notable. Tollens (talk) 17:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your time @Tollens!

I did the research, but I truly considered iMDB to be more reliable than media articles. :D

I updated the draft with the articles I was using. Also, I did an interview with a person. Is that something that Wikipedia would approve? Many thanks for your help! Mili Radumilo (talk) 18:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Mili Radumilo I'm afraid we do not accept interviews with any subject as a reliable source for that subject. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:04, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Great! If you have reliable sources you simply didn't include, go ahead and add them (with inline citations as well) and it will greatly improve your chances of having the draft accepted. Just a couple tips, phrases like 'acclaimed', 'lifelong passion', and 'considerable expertise' will likely be seen by reviewers as not adhering to a neutral point of view unless those exact phrases are very well sourced, and you have several external links in the body of the text (this isn't looked upon very well, use wikilinks instead, even if they will be red). As Nick Moyes points out, interviews you have done yourself are not accepted as sources, because they are considered original research, which is not permitted, as Wikipedia aims only to compile information already published in reliable sources. This unfortunately also goes for anything you simply know personally - it has to be published somewhere to be included (this may go for information like their passion for Formula One, the football clubs they support, etc., unless these things have been published somewhere already. Tollens (talk) 18:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much guys @Tollens @Nick Moyes, great comments, I will be working on making the article stronger! :D

Another question (maybe a bit dumb - but I can't tell you how many times I deleted everything by accident). Is there any chance to save edits in the article without submitting it for approval? I am sure if I submit it now it will rejected again, and maybe even deleted.

Thanks again, very nice and clear! Hope I will improve the skills. Mili Radumilo (talk) 18:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

You can absolutely save edits without submitting them - just click the resubmit button on the top banner when you're ready. Don't worry about deleting and losing anything, every version of every page (with very few exceptions) is permanently saved and accessible in the page history. Tollens (talk) 18:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

As a side note, since it seems you know this person, please have a look at the conflict of interest guidelines - it's strongly discouraged to write about anything you have an external relationship to, whether that's yourself, your family, your company, your friends, etc., since it's extremely difficult to represent the topic neutrally. In addition, if you do have a COI please note you are expected to disclose that relationship. (If you are being paid, and I'm not asserting that you are, this disclosure is required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use.) Tollens (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Just to expand, the reason Wikipedia does not accept interviews is that it contravenes Wikipedia:No original research. Qcne (talk) 18:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Interviews can be used for some purposes. See Wikipedia:Interviews. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

To make it clear; using interviews that have not been published is original research and not acceptable. The essay Cordless Larry points to is an interesting discussion of the use of published interviews. Gab4gab (talk) 01:48, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mili Radumilo. Just like Wikipedia, IMdB is user-edited, with no overall journalistic/editing oversight. That makes it liable to wrong information being inserted. We do not regard either Wikipedia itself, or IMdB suitable as sources to support factual statements in other Wikipedia articles. Put simply, if the person in question hasn't had coverage in mainstream media articles, they will not meet our notability criteria until they eventually do receive it. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:42, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the moved redirect from Alpeh-omega to Aleph-omega

I have moved the redirect Alpeh-omega to Aleph-omega due to a spelling mistake (the redirect with the correct spelling didn't exist before), but I'm having trouble figuring out what to do in this situation. Firstly, Alpeh-omega was a double redirect, which I promptly fixed. Secondly, the redirect shouldn't be nominated for deletion as per WP:CSD R3, partly because the original was created more than 10 years ago. Thirdly, I made sure to fix the anchors of both redirects and remove the notice on the original talk page. But now, a bot decided that this redirect's talk page, which was previously pointing to the moved redirect's talk page, should redirect to the talk page of its target. I'm thinking of deleting the talk page's redirect, but I'm unsure. What should I do in this case? Should I have just made a new redirect with the fixed spelling instead of moving it?

Additional note: I have noticed that a search for "Alpeh" does not bring results for Aleph, but instead uses a "Did you mean:" prompt to search for "Aleph", but that still means one additional click before reaching Aleph from a search for "Alpeh". Is this enough of a reason to make a redirect on Alpeh pointing to Aleph? -- Alpha514 (talk) 17:33, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The move you made was appropriate (and it would also have been appropriate to simply create a new redirect as you mention). The talk page redirect is also fine - talk pages of redirects are not typically monitored, so the redirect helps to consolidate discussion in a location more likely to be seen. A redirect from Alpeh is only appropriate if it is a common misspelling, there's no need for redirects from every misspelling of every word. It looks to me like there's nothing more you need to do with this set of pages - you've done everything correctly as far as I can tell. Tollens (talk) 19:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Valley High School

My edits were reverted because I used a more accurate and updated source? I messaged two moderators and they never answer. I added new state titles and new sections in the athletics area but they were considered “disruptive.” I would like clarification on why they were removed and how I should format my next edit as for it to not get taken down. CM12312 (talk) 19:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

CM12312 We're not interested in helping you fight your school board.("This is me trying to prove a point. Valley High School will not let me speak at school board meetings so now they (along with the rest of the world) can look at this when they wonder why the school is falling apart.") You are tagging your edits as "minor", which should only be done if the meaning of the article is not changed. It's doubtful that the source you use to support state titles is considered a reliable source. 331dot (talk) 19:32, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

CM12312, you have vandalized that article, and accordingly, I have blocked you. Cullen328 (talk) 19:35, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

open a wholesale account

i am e.commers manager of arbabwaqasllc.i want open a wholesale account Yaseen safi (talk) 19:44, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Yaseen safi, and welcome to the Teahouse! Sorry, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by a wholesale account - is that an autocorrect from Wikipedia perhaps? You already have an account - that's why you have a username. Role accounts (those for a position like 'manager of XYZ company') are not permitted. If you're looking to create an article for your company, please note that writing articles about the company you work for is very strongly discouraged - please see the conflict of interest guideline for more information. Tollens (talk) 19:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Ernest Radjen Basketball coach

Hi, how i can upload profile of Basketball Coach Ernest Radjen .I have his CV in PDF. Fkojadinovic (talk) 20:42, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Fkojadinovic Hello and welcome. Please don't ask for help in multiple locations, this duplicates effort. Wikipedia does not have profiles, not a single one. Wikipedia has articles. Wikipedia is not a place to upload a resume or CV; existence is not the criteria for inclusion, please see our definition of a notable person. If you are interested in writing an article about this person that summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about them,(not merely a list of accomplishments) please see Articles for Creation.

I gather you have a connection to this person, please see WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 20:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

sandbox and watchlist

I have been away for about 6 months. What happened to the Sandbox link on my user page and (2) the watchlist link at top? Benjamin Trovato (talk) 21:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Benjamin Trovato. The default skin has changed to Vector 2022. The sandbox link has moved to a drop-down menu on a person icon at the top right. The watchlist may be in that menu or to the left on an icon . You can go back to the Vector legacy skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Found both. There is also a {*{My sandbox}*}. Thanks Benjamin Trovato (talk) 21:32, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm lost on wikipedia

I do know how to use wikipedia but I want to learn more and useful things as a ip account. 2607:FEA8:551C:6200:AB8C:2E45:4401:1625 (talk) 22:39, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse!

Could you tell us specifically what you would like to learn? (For example, Fighting vandalism) 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 23:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I am also curious as to why you are specifically interested in adding content to Wikipedia as an IP user, not that there's anything wrong with this, but it does have certain ramifications, such as not having a user page. Would you mostly be interested in adding content to Wikipedia? If so, what is the nature of the content that you would anticipate adding? Fabrickator (talk) 00:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

tone, citations and style

I am just looking at this page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConsumerLab.com ) and, as far as I can see, it contains plenty of citations, and has a similar style & tone to other wiki articles I have read. Hence I think I can delete the 'may require cleanup' tag at the top of the page. Is this correct? How do I know when to delete tags like this? BennBluee (talk) 23:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

For details on how to remove maintenance tags, please see WP:WTRMT. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 23:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Ayisha Malayalam Movie

Even I have provided proper reliable sources..the user Sneha996 keep removing my edits and making her wish kind of fan based edits, multiple times, which makes me so disappointed and sad.

Help me Jyomon (talk) 23:31, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Jyomon, the most recent removal was of material about how much money it made, and Sneha996 cited Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film#Box office for the removal. If you think that Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film#Box office doesn't apply, please explain. If you don't fully understand Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film#Box office, please ask about the part(s) you don't understand. -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Reading that article is a jarring experience, Jyomon. The lead section as currently written implies that it is a terrible movie, saying Upon release it received poor reviews due to unimpressive content, and calls it a "disaster" and a "Flop", with incorrect capitalization. On the other hand, the "Reception" section says The film mostly received positive reviews from critics and quotations from mostly positive reviews follow that summary. There is a really serious disconnect in the article. The Neutral point of view is a core content policy, and compliance with it is mandatory. You cannot call a film a "disaster" or a "flop" unless you cite reliable sources using that type of terminology. You cannot say a film received poor reviews when the reviews from reliable sources cited in the article are mostly positive. Cullen328 (talk) 01:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, the Times of India is a very dubious source for this type of assessment, especially pertaining to entertainment. See Paid news in India for a description of how this newspaper gives positive coverage ti entertainment enterprises that pay them off, and by implication, much less positive assessments of those that do not pay them. That is a fundamentally corrupt business model, in my opinion. Cullen328 (talk) 01:52, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Help

How to I switch to the old Wikipedia? Why is my screen so small? Not a Normal Username (talk) 04:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Not a Normal Username.

To switch to the old Wikipedia, go to the Preferences, located at the top of the page. Then, go to Appearance. You can change to the old version there.

Hope this helps! 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 04:34, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

(Re-adding accidentally archived response) @Not a Normal Username: Welcome to the Teahouse. To go into further detail as to what Layah50 is talking about, go to Preferences → Appearance → Skin and select Vector legacy (2010). Your screen may be small if you have not unchecked Preferences → Appearance → Skin preferences → Enable limited width mode, which forces whitespace around article text. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Not a Normal Username: Specifically, the older skin that Wikipedia used until recently is Vector legacy (2010). JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 07:35, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Not a Normal Username: If the screen is the only issue, there is a toggle in the extreme lower right corner to expand the screen size. 331dot (talk) 10:00, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok Not a Normal Username (talk) 21:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Wait i didnt do anything and my screen is already fixed Not a Normal Username (talk) 21:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Question about non-free image

Greetings, I am new to editing and uploading to wikipedia. Recently, I have been editing Toro Inoue. I uploaded an image taken from Sony, however it was removed due to it not being free content. I still wanted to use the image in order to display the character onto the page, I would like suggestion on what to do, thank you. Ohwelpwelp (talk) 05:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

The simple suggestion, Ohwelpwelp, is "Forget it", because the page already has an image that displays the character. But if you are sure that the image would be more informative and helpful than the one currently shown, please read and study Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. -- Hoary (talk) 06:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Acknowledgement for any content changes in Wikipedia

I want you to know that on May, 2023, i have not made any kinds of content removal to Atlas Honda page. This is a false claim. Please make sure who did this. Thank you. https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:202.61.52.46&oldid=1154857719&diff=cur 202.61.52.46 (talk) 05:31, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Your IP did [7]. If you don't like seeing messages about edits made by previous users of the same IP then you should create a user account. And the diff you provided is for a warning for an edit made today by your IP, not the May edit. Meters (talk) 05:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

See WP:REGISTER Meters (talk) 05:44, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

When is a family tree a family tree?

Hello. I included the following diagram in article Bird, Savage & Bird to help readers understand a complex business and family relationship. It was during the embryonic years of America when merchants Bird Savage & Bird were banking agents for the American Government (before Barings took over). It was a relationship that even I was confused about before I drew out the chart. A fellow editor has removed it on justification that: " Wikipedia is not a genealogy reference - family trees should be included only when relevant to understanding a notable topic, and there's no indication why that would be the case here." I do not think this chart should be classed as a "Family Tree" and for the benefit of readers should remain in the article. Any thoughts folks?

Bird, Savage & Bird - Family connections

Thomas Bird (1694–1746) m Elizabeth Martyn (1695–1758) John Manning (1703–1738/9) m Sarah Coventry (1711–?) Robert Bird (1723–1788) m Mary Merttins (1722–1804) Mary Bird (1724–1780) m Abel Smith II (1717–1788) William Coventry Manning m Elizabeth Ryan Rebecca (Manning) Hamm John Savage Elizabeth Smith (1758–1789) William Manning (1763–1835) Elizabeth Manning (1756–1817) Martha Manning m John Laurens (1754–1782) Sarah Manning m Benjamin Vaughan (1751–1835) Benjamin Savage m Elizabeth Dunn Robert Bird (1760–1842) m (cousin) Lucy Wilberforce Bird (1768–1847) Henry Merttins Bird (1755–1818) Dotted line = married

Sidpickle (talk) 07:54, 20 June 2023 (UTC) Sidpickle (talk) 07:54, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

References

It doesn't look necessary to me, but the place to discuss would be Talk:Bird, Savage & Bird. Theroadislong (talk) 09:10, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't look at all necessary to me either, and I agree with Theroadislong's suggestion; but my own tip is that to make it look more important (and perhaps even necessary), you might find some way of inserting simplified information about who among them had a position in the company Bird Savage & Bird, and when. This could be as simple as emboldening these particular people's names and adding the years within [    ]. -- Hoary (talk) 09:27, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

THANKS. I should have included the paragraph that accompanied this chart:

The Bird brothers were fortunate in their family connections: one of their uncles was Abel Smith (1717–1788), a prominent figure in the development of the Smith, Payne & Smiths bank. William Coventry Manning's son William married Abel Smith's daughter Elizabeth in 1786. Two of Manning's daughters also married into influential families: Sarah Manning married Benjamin Vaughan (1751–1835), and Martha Weatherell Manning married John Laurens, who was the son of wealthy South Carolina plantation owner and trader Henry Laurens.

However, I will let it go. I tried not to make it too complex. Picture is worth a thousand words, etc. John Laurens (killed in American War of Independence) was a close friend of Alexander Hamilton and his father Henry Laurens was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States plus a signatory of the Treaty of Paris. Benjamin Vaughan acted as a go between for the British during these negotiations. Bird Savage & Bird corresponded with George Washington and Alexander Hamilton during their years of business and the paragraph and chart should have shown the close ties they had with the influencers in America. Hey-Ho, move on. The Bird brothers were also cousins of William Wilberforce his mother (Elizabeth Bird) being their aunt. I have not found any reference to slavery in connection to Bird Savage & Bird but the people such as growers they dealt with in South Carolina most certainly were. Sidpickle (talk) 14:50, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sidpickle When most or all of them are famous as far as I know.

Wikipedia doesn't like it when non-famous relatives of famous people are added to the articles of those famous people, whether they're immediate family or not, as I've found out in the past when adding mothers, fathers, siblings, children etc.

There's lots of famous families I know of (however only a few I can think of off the top of my head), however the biggest is probably one I stumbled across a few months ago when updating IMDB, and realised that a family of 20 or 30+ people are all involved in filmmaking (it seems to be at least 1 of them in each department), and have made some massive record-breaking films for their country, yet for some reason, only 2 of them have Wikipedia articles.

Now that family definitely needs a family tree, something I've not tried before, but I might get around to it one day. Danstarr69 (talk) 18:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks and good luck. Sidpickle (talk) 20:25, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

References

I just needed help retrieving my source

it was deleted but there are sufficient amount of resources and notability proving refferences of this person Article:Varun Pradip Dave 2402:8100:27C1:A127:7040:12B6:CCA4:DB7C (talk) 09:18, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

are you VPD7102001? lettherebedarklight晚安 09:25, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Multiple deletions of Varun Pradip Dave and Draft:Varun Pradip Dave. Do you mean these articles? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:27, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

No i am not vpd70

No i am not vpd7102001, Yes those article i can can request or provide you the article i made from various liable sources. 2402:8100:27C1:A127:7040:12B6:CCA4:DB7C (talk) 09:46, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouose. The first article was deleted on 2022-03-23 as "unambiguous advertising and promotion". Advertising is not permitted on Wikipedia.

The second was deleted on 2022-04-12 for multiple reasons: unambiguous advertising and promotion; copyright infringement; and creation by a blocked or banned user. The copyright infringement means that it will not be restored.

If you want to create an article on him, you will need to start again, following WP:YFA and making sure you pay attention to WP:notability and WP:BACKWARD ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you... So can I get the access to edit that page because it shows locked at this moment. 2402:8100:27C1:A127:7040:12B6:CCA4:DB7C (talk) 11:10, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you... So can I get the access to edit that page because it shows locked at this moment. 2402:8100:27C1:A127:7040:12B6:CCA4:DB7C (talk) 11:55, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Both the article and the draft are locked against creation because of the long history of promotional time-wasting by a series of sockpuppets. If you are truly not part of that promotional cabal, I suggest that you present, here, at least three reliably published sources, each of which is completely independent of VPD - not written or published by him or his associates, and not based on interviews or press releases - and each of which contains significant coverage of him.

If you can do that, then that will indicate that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and an article is possible - provide those and you may be able to persuade an admin to allow you to create a draft. If you cannot find three such sources, then don't waste any more time on it. ColinFine (talk) 12:10, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Varun Pradip Dave (Born 7 October 2001) is a powerlifter, actor and ted talks (tedx) speaker from India.

Refferences

[8]https://www.ted.com/talks/dave_varun_never_let_your_dreams_die

[9]https://www.hindustantimes.com/how-i-did-it-my-journey-from-spindly-teen-to-strongman

[10]https://www.brut.media/in/sport/meet-gujarat-s-youngest-strong-man

[11]https://www.imdb.com/name/

[12]https://www.openpowerlifting.org/

[13]https://www.amazon.com/prime-video/actor/Varun-Pradip-Dave 2402:8100:27C1:A127:7040:12B6:CCA4:DB7C (talk) 12:46, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Every one of those links gives me error 404, because you have included part of the citation code not just the URL. But judging from their titles and origins, the only one that even might meet the tripartite condition I mentioned above (see WP:42) is the Brut media one. Until you provide some sources whose origin and title suggest that they actually might be independent and reliable, I'm not going to waste my time trying to read them. ColinFine (talk) 13:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Correction - looking at the URL and the title, I expect that the Brut media one is based on an interview, and not independent.

Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 13:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

[14]https://m.imdb.com/name/nm13620544/bio/

[15]https://www.amazon.com/prime-video/actor/Varun-Pradip-Dave/amzn1.dv.gti.315ebb4c-c4cc-452f-b9db-1d51401a05f5/

[16]https://ahmedabadmirror.com/varun-picks-two-golds/64704056.html

[17]https://www.brut.media/in/sport/meet-gujarat-s-youngest-strong-man-facaba69-4642-4a33-941a-49b29ffa68c8 2402:8100:27C1:A127:7040:12B6:CCA4:DB7C (talk) 13:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not going to waste any more of my time with you. Study WP:42 and WP:notability. ColinFine (talk) 13:30, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

IP/64 blocked for lta socking – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 18:30, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

To repeat a point made by ColinFine, you will need to ask an Administrator permission to start a draft about VPD. I suggest you go to the Talk page of one of the Admins who had deleted the article or draft, make your case showing 3-4 best references, and declare that you are not one of the previously blocked editors. Honestly, given the long, bad history, it is unlikely you will get permission to proceed. David notMD (talk) 15:33, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Help with references

Im finding it difficalt to locate refrances for this building as it has been derelict for many years, and the only ones are in books. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Heatherlie_House_Hotel#References Q-conner (talk) 09:43, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Heatherlie House Hotel Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:51, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Q-conner and welcome to the Teahouse. One thing you should do to start with is find references, then write the article to reflect what those refs actually say. Also read Help:Referencing for beginners. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:49, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

You can use books as reference sources (unless they're self-published; etc). Sources don't have to be online. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:00, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Write them from the news paper articals from 1900's ? Q-conner (talk) 09:56, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Q-conner: Yes, it's very common for articles to be written based off of historical sources. Also, you may need to rewrite your draft as a lot of it seems to be WP:OR. JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 09:59, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Q-conner Your draft is full of WP:PEACOCK wording, especially in the WP:LEAD. Wikipedia strives to take a neutral tone Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:00, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

The draft is nowhere near ready for yet another resubmission for review. The edited lead still reads way too much like an advert: Heatherlie House Hotel situated in Selkirk, Scottish Borders, is a notable establishment with a rich historical background. The hotel is recognized for its captivating natural surroundings. The architectural design of the hotel harmoniously combines traditional charm with modern sophistication, resulting in an aesthetically pleasing and captivating structure. The interior of Heatherlie House Hotel is meticulously crafted, featuring opulent decor, Scottish textures, and tasteful furnishings that create an ambiance of both grandeur and comfort. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:35, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Q-conner Not only that, but :"The interior spaces would be adorned with rich materials, such as dark wood paneling, intricate plasterwork, and decorative moldings." What's with the future tense? Did it not happen? Nick Moyes (talk) 11:17, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Also "likely features", "may include", "might incorporate". Seems like an attempt to circumvent / tone down the explicit use of puffery / POV. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:28, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I haven't viewed the draft, and here merely respond to Nick Moyes' question "What's with the future tense?" First, English lacks a future tense, as is carefully explained in The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language (CGEL). This of course doesn't mean that it lacks ways of talking about the future. Here, would is the preterite of will. It has various uses; but here, "Would is [...] used to express futurity in the past, futurity relative to the time referred to by the preterite". As for whether it happened, "the actualisation is virtually required to have already taken place" (CGEL, p.198). It's a common device in standard English. -- Hoary (talk) 12:29, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary No tea for you for a whole month! Nick Moyes (talk) 14:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Q-conner, you need to start by deciding whether you want an article about the existing hotel, or about the building (which I assume was originally a laird's mansion, though your draft nowhere mentions this). Then:

1. Delete the entire current pile of unreferenced promotional guff.
2. Find several reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of your chosen subject. Books will do fine.
3. If you can't find at least three such sources, give up. Your chosen subject does not warrant a Wikipedia article.
4. If you can find such sources, write a draft that is based entirely on what they say, citing them as you go. Maproom (talk) 14:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Does it comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view?

Hello. Can someone help me confirm whether this article am trying to edit complies with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view? I have edited some parts that seems to be biased. Dorian Rhea Debussy MaxPG88 (talk) 12:38, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

It seems okay to me. Is there a specific concern that you have that you haven't already addressed? 331dot (talk) 14:02, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes I have addressed everthing. So, is it okay to remove the Maintenance templates on that page? MaxPG88 (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

If you feel that you have addressed the concern raised by the maintenance template(and you aren't the one with the COI), you may remove it. 331dot (talk) 14:51, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

"this is my template. there are many like it but this one is mine"

is there any real problem with using custom templates for things like welcomes (for example, one more geared for music-centered accounts, or one that clarifies whether or not wikipedia is censored), userbox handling, or bludgeoning people with marine fauna?

this obviously means only things that go on user and talk pages, and i wouldn't risk using custom warnings cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 14:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cog-san: That is no problem at all!

For instance, I created {{subst:link current revision}} to easily get the permalink to a given page. I find it super-useful: compared to going through the page history, clicking the revision, copy-pasting the URL, I can just preview the source. As far as I can tell, there is no other template or user script doing a similar job, and nobody else ever uses mine (but maybe this shameless plug will fix that?). So that’s pretty strong evidence that my taste is uncommon.

The only things to watch would be performance-hogging templates. As long as you don’t use any of the magic words / parser functions marked "[expensive]" and colored in orange in the MW doc you should be fine. (If you don’t know what magic words are, you’re probably not using them.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

nice

i guess that template would help with a decent warning one if i were to try it, even though it'd involve warning before reverting an edit

and fortunately, the templates i had planned out _{(in word so it doesn't show up in my sandbox history)} aren't really more complex than text, unfunny pictures whose copyright i'm looking into, and a small handful of links

and uh

are templates made in mediawiki or in a link my intellectually deprived nutrient disposal orifice somehow missed in here? cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 17:37, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Found my first article with advertising content

Engro Corporation - an older revision had the worst of it, marketing buzzwords etc.

I've done my best to start with but it's still not especially WP:NPOV. Other than placing the {ad} tag, what else can I do to make sure it gets better?

Thanks! ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 15:54, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Compare my work with the previous state of things here... https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Engro_Corporation&diff=1161094512&oldid=1145655780 ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 16:02, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Get rid of a few of the citation neededs and put in a {{Verification}} banner at the top per WP:TAGBOMB. I will remove a lot of (not that much apparently) the unnecessary bold in the article as it is only needed for the first instance of a subject. ✶Mitch199811✶ 17:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

How was Wikipedia first created

Ok, I just want to know how and why you created Wikipedia? 103.116.167.239 (talk) 16:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Some answers may be found here: History of Wikipedia. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

For a more concise version if you only want an overview, you might try Wikipedia#History. Tollens (talk) 16:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Notoriety Issue

Hi there - I was told that the person I'm writing an article on doesn't seem to have enough notoriety. I'm not really understanding the descriptions provided for that. We've provided lots of reliable, secondary sources (like Essence, PBS, etc.) - and she even has a presidential appointment from US President Biden. So...I'm not really certain how much more notoriety they're looking for or why the many sources I've provided still don't seem to measure up? Many of her peers in the same field who have less publicity than she does have made it onto Wikipedia, so I'm not really understanding what the difference is. AndreaTheoJohn (talk) 17:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Monica Rhodes - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AndreaTheoJohn, and welcome to the Teahouse! I haven't looked at the article in any depth yet, but I notice you use 'we' In your question. I see your username previously represented that of a company - if you are editing on someone's behalf or being paid to edit in any way, please see the conflict of interest guideline, the policy on paid editing if applicable, and please disclose that relationship if one exists. Tollens (talk) 17:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have time to go through all the references, but I did find three early on in the article that don't appear to give significant coverage of the subject (and that's one of the criteria to establish notability). See Golden Rule. Correct me if I'm wrong; otherwise recheck the coverage in the references you're providing:

• "She attended A.J. Moore Academy." She's not mentioned in the source about the reunion.
• "Rhodes’ career in historic preservation began with her 2008 involvement in a project". She's not mentioned in the source.
• "She played a critical role in identifying and engaging eight historic Black churches". She's not mentioned in the source.

You can still use such references to back-up facts in the article, but these won't add to her notability. It's also a matter of significant facts being verifiable by what is actually written or spoken in the sources, not just notability.

Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 17:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I just went through the first half - that seems to be the case with a large majority of the sources. 'Significant coverage' is defined in WP:GNG by the following: "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. Almost all of the references provided discuss the HOPE program Rhodes is the director of, not Rhodes - while these do establish the notability of that program, there is only a passing mention of Rhodes, or no mention at all. Tollens (talk) 17:50, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

The impression I get is that the editor has got hold of a detailed resumé and has looked for references to back that up, rather than finding sources and then writing to reflect what the sources actually say. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AndreaTheoJohn, and welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to the points that others have made, I'm afraid that your draft is hopelessly promotional in its language: it's full of phrases which are chosen to enhance the subject (eg "high-profile awards", "prestigious Loeb fellowship", "well-established publication", "recognized as a leading expert in"), as well as vapid marketing speak such as "continues to gain recognition through initiatives to leverage both public and private sector tools, emerging technologies, and unprecedented levels of community engagement to modernize the preservation space"). That is not what a Wikipedia article does: it summarizes, neutrally, what indepedent commentators have said about the subject. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

If, as I suspect, you are associated with Rhodes, then you are likely to find it hard to write sufficiently neutrally about her - that is why we discourage editing with a conflict of interest. What you will need to do, having found those independent sources which contain significant coverage of her, is to forget everything you know or think about her, and write an encyclopaedia article based solely on what those sources say. (And if some of the reliable sources say things about her that you really don't like, you should put those things in, too).

Many people have completely wrong idea that "having a page" on Wikipedia is a good thing, something to aspire to, something to help their internet presence. That is not what Wikipedia is for, and promotion of any kind is forbidden. And there is no question of "deserving" or not deserving an article, because nobody in the universe, not even Jimmy Wales "has" an article.

An article about Rhodes, if one is accepted, will not belong to her, will not be controlled by her, will not necessarily say what she wants it to say, and will not be for her benefit, except incidentally.

As for the question of notability (not "notoriety"!): the criterion is about ensuring that there is enough independent reliably published material about the subject to base an article on. It may be that the other articles you are referring to do have adequate independent reliably published sourcing; or it may be that they don't, and should be improved or deleted. We have thousands and thouseands of articles, mostly old ones, that wouldn't be accepted if they were submitted now. See other stuff exists ColinFine (talk) 18:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hamish Harding article - Circular sources

The Hamish Harding article is about a person presently missing on the mini-sub at the Titanic site. Most of the sources are very poor (e.g. mid-east websites and new sheets of little/no provenance). However, the mainstream media is now using the Wikipedia article verbatim. I think it's not good form to link at a discussion page to an outside source so I'll put an example website here in full (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/19/hamish-harding-the-british-explorer-missing-at-sea-near-the-titanic). The words and phrases are literally lifted from the wikipedia article (I edited a couple last night which no longer appear and they are quoted verbatim in the Guardian article). My question is this: Does the fact that the poorly sourced info has now been used by the mainstream media mean that those latter articles now amount to non-deprecated sources? One thing which has struck me here is now little is known about the subject (i.e. nothing in any MSM sources - for a billionaire, that seems v odd. Nothing in Forbes, Sunday Times Rich List. Nothing anywhere. No link to a big earning business. Nothing at all about business deals, etc, notably nothing in business publications. For the main part, no non-mid east sources to details about degrees, qualifications, etc. I don't doubt the guy is real (!) but the quality of the sources and info seems way too low to be used in a Wikipedia article. I can't see what part of WP:RS applies to cases of non-deprecated sources simply recycling deprecated ones. Any thoughts, anyone? All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 18:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Emmentalist, and welcome to the Teahouse. You're right: this is a recurring problem. See WP:CIRCULAR for the relevant policy. ColinFine (talk) 18:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much for this, @ColinFine I'll look at that right away! All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 19:03, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Emmentalist: Earwig's copyvio detector is a Wikimedia Toolforge tool which is usually used to determine if a Wikipedia editor copied material verbatim from an outside source. But it is agnostic about who's-copying-whom, so it will also evaluate possible copying in the other direction. In this case, Earwig tags the likelihood of The Guardian copying from the Wikipedia article as "Unlikely (27%)". Note that a certain amount of common expressions being the same is not necessarily unusual; any article on him will list his various roles or professions, and so on. As the length of common strings gets longer, and the number of them goes up, it gets more suspicious. You can check Earwig's analysis yourself, and see what you think. Oh, and by the way, it's perfectly okay to add these links or have this conversation at the article Talk page, which at a minimum, should probably post a link to this discussion. Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 19:50, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Help with paraphrasing

I have been sanctioned and would like to avoid any further sanctions (see User_talk:Abecedare#Topic ban), so I feel it is good to ask here before I do anything. For the Rape_in_Afghanistan article, under the section Afghan Taliban, I want to add, "According to Amnesty International, since the Taliban seized control of Afghanistan in August 2021, they have violated the rights of females and destroyed the system of protection and support for those fleeing violence." Will it be acceptable?-1Firang (talk) 19:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment) @1Firang: since your proposed addition and the linked article never mention Pakistan (the object of your T-ban) once, you are probably safe adding it. But that's just my opinion, and if I'm wrong you could be affected, and to quote the admin, "Skating at the edges of the topic-ban is treacherous." Why not pick out something completely different? Then you wouldn't have to pose the question. Mathglot (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I have been editing Afghanistan related articles and nobody has objected, probably because it is not covered by my Topic ban. Now please let me know if that sentence needs to be paraphrased any more (especially the last bit, "the system of protection and support for those fleeing violence").-1Firang (talk) 02:03, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

References

Editing Page

Hi,

I work for the Punta Gorda Airport and I wanted to edit our wikipedia page. I wanted to add a section that includes nearby cities and large neighborhoods. Can I go ahead and edit the page myself? If I am listing specific cities or neighborhoods, can I add a hyperlink to that city or neighborhood's wikipedia page?

Thank you,

Casey CThamesPGD (talk) 19:43, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @CThamesPGD, welcome to the Teahouse. Please review and comply with WP:PAID; then you can make suggestions on the article's talk page, Talk:Punta Gorda Airport (Florida). Information about nearby cities and neighborhoods doesn't seem all that relevant to me, but if independent secondary sources have mentioned important connections, you may have an argument. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:51, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! CThamesPGD (talk) 19:54, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

putting double brackets [[ ]] around a word or name, as in a city name, turns the word/name blue if there is an existing Wikipedia article. David notMD (talk) 02:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Help with CSS

Hello, fellow editors!

I am trying to revamp my userpage, and I added some CSS to make the text white (color: #fff), but headings are still black (at least in the Vector 2022 skin).

If anybody here could help me, it would be much appreciated. Here's where the problem is.

Edit: How can I also change link colors? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 19:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @Levi_OP cus he knows this stuff. --QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 19:54, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

It isn't inheriting the style from the div because all headings are explicitly set to black (for some reason), so that's overriding the inherited style (you also can't just throw in a !important, since as an inherited style it will still be overridden). You could just use an h2 element instead of the wikitext header, and override its style as "color:inherit;" so that you only have to edit it in one place (<h2 style="color:inherit">About me</h2> instead of ==About me==). Tollens (talk) 20:06, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

If the text is going to be white, are you going to try to make the background a different color like black? ― Levi_OP^Talk 20:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I somehow missed the link to the page in the first message. As far as I know, you cannot change the css of the headers and other non-html elements of the source. The only thing you could do is create another header that looks the same and put it over the other one. ― Levi_OP^Talk 20:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

You can change the CSS of headers - just use the actual HTML header elements rather than the usual wikitext ones - the wikitext gets converted anyway. Tollens (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Ahh, you're right. I either didn't know that or had forgotten as I don't use Wikipedia much anymore 😅. Thanks for the info! ― Levi_OP^Talk 20:21, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Missed your edit - do you mean the ones in the top header part, or a wikilink somewhere in the lorem ipsum text? Tollens (talk) 20:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I suppose it doesn't really matter which actually - you can use {{colored link}} for that. Tollens (talk) 20:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I need help making an article.

I just want to know how I make an article, I do not want that article wizard with no magical abilities whatsoever, I want to know to how make an article, not how to edit an article, how to make one, make one like how you would actually make it, not how to edit it. Idontneedmoneytohavefuntonight (talk) 23:36, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Idontneedmoneytohavefuntonight: Check out the information at WP:YFA, it should help you. The use of the wizard is optional, if you don't want to use it. RudolfRed (talk) 23:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

See WP:BACKWARD. In brief, if you have a topic in mind, find references, then write only what is verified by the references. David notMD (talk) 02:37, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Help needed

I know I was warned against canvassing at some point, but until someone refers to me of another convenient and ideal way of doing this, I'm just going to have to leave this here, in case for some reason, simply leaving the note on the talk page isn't effective. TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 23:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@TrevortniDesserpedx: You just posted that a few minutes ago and it is a heavily watched page. You need to be patient and give time for replies. RudolfRed (talk) 00:21, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

fixing ping @Trevortnidesserped: RudolfRed (talk) 00:22, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Humans are not frugivores. You edited to claim that at Human and Human nutrition and have correctly been reverted at both. At the Talk page for Human, your position has been refuted at length. David notMD (talk) 02:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

sandbox done - how to publish

I used he sandbox to practice creating a wikipedia page. The top of the page has my user name, not the name of the page that I want to create. When I click "publish" nothing happens Now that I know how to use the Visual Editor and have created a page in sandbox, how to I export this to my final page? The top of my final page needs to show the intended title, not the temporary title created in the sandbox. Carmullen (talk) 02:12, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Carmullen, and welcome to the Teahouse! To submit an article for review and publication, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page.
Before you do - I can tell you right away that it will be rejected if submitted in its current form due to a lack of references. Every Wikipedia article must show that the subject of the article is notable (which isn't the same as your and my typical definition) by demonstrating that there has been significant coverage of the subject in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. I notice that your username also seems to match the name of the subject - it's strongly recommended that you do not write an article about yourself - for more information see the conflict of interest guideline, and read very carefully through the autobiography guideline; it's very possible you may not actually want an article about yourself even if you do reach the notability requirements. If you have any further questions or questions about any of the linked guidelines please don't hesitate to ask. Tollens (talk) 02:41, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Carmullen/sandbox Tollens (talk) 02:45, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Carmullen: Hi there! I have added the submission template to the draft for you. Please read it carefully and click on the links for further information. GoingBatty (talk) 02:46, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

How do you interact with editors?

How do you interact with the people who can edit the article? How do I know I am speaking with those individuals? Is there a requirement for them to review and respond to comments/requests about an article? Cmsmith93 (talk) 02:44, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cmsmith93: Hi there! Anyone can edit the article. The best place to interact with the editors who choose to work on the article is on the article's talk page, such as the Talk:Robert F. Kennedy Jr. page you have posted on several times. This is a volunteer project - there is no "requirement" for anyone to review and/or respond to comments/requests about an article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:49, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

To clarify - everyone can edit almost every article, but there are some that are protected. Almost everyone that participates in discussions on the talk page of a protected article does have the required permissions to edit most protected articles, however. Tollens (talk) 02:52, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens: You are correct, and thank you for clarifying. For example, the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has extended confirmed protection, so only editors with 30 days' tenure and at least 500 edits can edit it. GoingBatty (talk) 02:57, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

There may be no requirement, but if you're making controversial edits, not communicating has the potential to lead to a block. You should at least be aware of how to communicate, incase you need to. Here's an explanatory essay on the topic I like. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 04:49, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

How to create a new page for article?

I want to create a new page with new username for someone's biography but i'm not able to get through. Vishwa Salot (talk) 06:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)