Talk:Spider-Man

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2021

Why isn't there written what.did he do with his powers

Fictional character biography

Ok, I gotta ask: do we really need an entire section dedicated to Spidey's life. He is a fictional character, which means that terms like "dead", "alive", "past" or "current" don't really apply to him. Wikipedia is a general information database, not a website dedicated solely to fans of Spider-Man, so it would make sense to uphold the rules about describing fictional characters the way they're best-known to audiences rather than describing them in a way that only the most dedicated comic book fans will understand. What do you say? Leader Vladimir (talk) 03:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

That your argument is nonsensical, since fictional characters have pasts. Dimadick (talk) 19:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, fictional characters have pasts. That should be obvious. I just don't see the usefulness of a character having an extensive biography in a general information website like Wikipedia. Look at Superman. The basic aspects of the character are already covered in the "character overview" section without looking too detailed. Leader Vladimir (talk) 01:49, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Character biographies are an essential element to what a character is. Whether or not this one is "extensive" is subjective, although I would agree that most FCB sections do end up that way. The treatment of the Superman article is somewhat novel and is the result of hard effort by one editor, who has met a lot of resistance for what others have seen as SYNTH and OR problems. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:56, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

To put it simply, the Superman article is pure crap and rather uninformative. I have had to look on other websites for basic information on the character. Dimadick (talk) 18:05, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

The Superman section is nice and concise. The Spider-Man section is an interminable litany of factoid after factoid. That a decent fictional biography, if it is derived from the primary sources, would strike some as synthesis may be so, but that's a given since such a biography is necessarily a compression of a thousand picture books. The alternative is what we have here: a collection of fan facts. Yes, way too many such articles end up like this, in part because of Wikipedia's attraction for young computer-literate men, and in part because we just let them. Drmies (talk) 14:15, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Agree with Leader Vladimir. The fictional biography is just plot summary, which should be concise. The focus should be on real-world information rather than a detailed plot summary. It's not a question of leaving out this information; it's a question of being judicious about how much of it is included. Also, the Superman article is not "pure crap." In fact, it's an example of how focused on the real-world stuff should be weighted heavily compared to the excessive plot summary included in this article. Rray (talk) 16:19, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

It is a random list of trivia, that fails to explain anything of the character's biography. I would barely call it a stub. Dimadick (talk) 15:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

When I was working on this article back in 2009 to get it into GA shape, the FCB section of my finished product was much smaller than the publication history: [1] So maybe it just needs to be trimmed down to look more like that. BOZ (talk) 21:25, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2022

Spider-Man is a vigilante. You should add somewhere within the opening paragraph that Spider-Man is a vigilante. Splat41 (talk) 13:20, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Ferien (talk) 16:48, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

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First image

Should the editors replace first image with amazing fantasy 15 cover? 75.22.17.130 (talk) 17:46, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

The main image was picked over AF15 because it's a better representation of what Spider-Man typically looks like (blue instead of black). It's also just him, not him carrying a criminal. Argento Surfer (talk) 18:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Official Website

This goes to Marvel, but give a 404 Page Not Found Jokem (talk) 20:20, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Creation of Spider-Man

This used to be an article, long ago:[2] and I did not check to see if those sources are in use in this article, but I am just making a note here in case anyone else wants to see if they can use them. BOZ (talk) 21:12, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Mistakes

I am unable to correct them because the page is locked, but there are a number of grammatical mistakes and poorly written sentences in the section on Spider-man's powers. 2600:1700:8150:5C20:FDE8:3D80:7BB2:3BD8 (talk) 01:04, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Superspeed

Spider-Man does not have superspeed. Listing that and linking to Speedster (fiction) is blatantly incorrect and unsupported by any source. MrOllie (talk) 18:28, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes he does, I read the Spider-Man comics where he is said to have mentioned in some comics that his superhuman speed, is called "proportionate speed of a spider" and "spider-speed", but that doesn't mean that it's equal to either Flash or Superman, his superhuman speed was measured in 200-250mph;

Read the link https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Spectacular-Spider-Man-1976/Issue-87?id=19204. Not just in Spectacular Spider-Man, during his battle against Green Goblin, in https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-40?id=4008, Spider-Man defeated Goblin where he says in his quote before defeating him, "Perhaps my strength can't save me now, Gobby...but I've another ace in the hole...don't tell me you've never heard of my swingin' SPIDER SPEED?!!" and then Spidey used it against Goblin and land a final blow by kicking him in the face. These are the proof that Spider-Man does possess superhuman speed, Like I said, his speed may not be quite equal to Flash or Superman, but his speed is said to have travel 200-250m/mph. If you read in Spider-Man's origin story https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Amazing-Fantasy-1962/Issue-15, when facing Crusher Hogan in the wrestling tournament, Peter mentions after dodging Crusher's attack before effortlessly lifting up; Peter quoted "It works! I have the 'speed', the agility, and very strength of a gigantic spider!" Spider-Man doesn't only possess agility, he possess speed, there are evidence where he is able to dodge bullets, and will appear or disappear in a blink of an eye. So no it's not wrong, it's true, you know if Stan Lee's still alive, he'll explain to you the same opinion as I have, because he created, I read it and there is the fact that Spider-Man does possess speed! Aaeliaba (talk) 19:08, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Even webswinging too, that's evidental that Spider-Man webswings at high speed and is able to catch up to speeding vehicles. Aaeliaba (talk) 19:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Those quotes do not support the content you are trying to add. 'Speed' in colloquial english often refers to a person's reflexes, as it does in your examples. This is not the same as the 'superspeed' possessed by characters such as the Flash or Quicksilver. Spider-Man swings quickly, he does not run at hundreds of miles per hour. MrOllie (talk) 19:37, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Uh yes he does! 200-250 Aaeliaba (talk) 19:38, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Simply replying 'yes he does' will not help you gain WP:CONSENSUS for your proposed edits. Find us a reliable secondary source (_not_ a quotation from a comic book) that supports your position. MrOllie (talk) 19:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

200-250 is how fast he can run, but he prefers web-swings with his speed combined. I founded it in a site, "American teenager Peter Parker, a poor sickly orphan, is bitten by a radioactive spider. As a result of the bite, he gains superhuman strength, speed, and agility, along with the ability to cling to walls, turning him into Spider-Man." the whole world mostly confirms that Spider-Man not only possess agility and reflexes, but speed as well, and again I'm not saying Spider-Man's speed is equal to Flash, I'm saying that his speed was used by Spider-Man when jumping, dodging, delivering fast attacks against opponents, and appears and disappears without a blink of an eye! Aaeliaba (talk) 19:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

You know, I don't believe that Spidey doesn't have superhuman speed, because he does as seen in comics, tv shows, movies, and video games. I don't get this. Aaeliaba (talk) 19:47, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

' I founded it in a site' is not a citation. You'll need to find it in something like a book from a reputable publisher. Wikipedia articles are based on sources, not your personal impressions of what you've seen in comics or on your TV. MrOllie (talk) 19:50, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean exactly? Aaeliaba (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

And what do you mean reputable publisher? Aaeliaba (talk) 20:04, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I mean that you have to follow Wikipedia policy as laid out at WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:RS. These are basic policies that are the foundation of all Wikipedia editing. If you don't understand them, you can ask for help at WP:TEAHOUSE. MrOllie (talk) 20:05, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Like for me to discuss this to wp teahouse about Spider-Man topic we are talking about? Aaeliaba (talk) 20:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I do not understand your question, so I have no substantive response. MrOllie (talk) 20:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

You know what, look; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2bjL8WRD2ec&feature=youtu.be.

This video explains Spider-Man's powers and abilities, and his superhuman speed is included within minutes 01:38. And there's also another video where Spider-Man's speed is also mentioned and explained; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DOJz1ETXSBk&feature=youtu.be within minutes 4:19. Keep this in mind, not all speedster heroes and villains have speed like Sonic the Hedgehog, Flash, Quicksilver, or Superman, who can both move at 768-1000mph, some of other heroes and villains like Spider-Man, possess superhuman speed in a different way like in either at 100-200mphs, and just like a person said of how Spider-Man can move, he moves at 200mph, he's not moving like Sonic the Hedgehog, he moves by running at just 200 and surpasses the vehicle by running and can dodge bullets which neither of his enemies can touch him. So those are the videos that will explain to you how. Aaeliaba (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

These youtube videos are also not reliable sources. You must read and understand WP:RS and provide sources that meet that standard. MrOllie (talk) 22:57, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok you got rid of speed from Spider-Man abilities profile, but why didn't you get rid of Miles Spider Gwen 2099 Ultimate Spider (Peter Parker) then if you think that all Spider people don't have proportionate speed of a spider in your own perspective? Aaeliaba (talk) 23:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Because I'm not convinced that Spider-Man doesn't have superhuman speed. Aaeliaba (talk) 23:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I was looking at this article this week, perhaps I will edit those articles on another occasion. In any case the fact that I haven't fixed all errors everywhere does not mean I can't fix this error now. MrOllie (talk) 23:19, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Wait, are you saying the article like Spider-Man article you'll be able to relook at it again and decide perhaps you the word speed back? I don't understand. Aaeliaba (talk) 23:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Is English your native language? You seem to have trouble understanding quite often. MrOllie (talk) 23:37, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I do speak Aaeliaba (talk) 23:38, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

You know what, how about I put just by highlighting Speed instead of putting back superspeed as highlighted Speedster (fiction), because normal speed is Spider-Man because his proportionate speed of a spider is not equal to superspeeding heroes, but just 40 times faster than average human being. I'm just asking please as long as I don't edit the superhuman speed but just one word Speed. Please? Aaeliaba (talk) 23:56, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

No. You must provide sources. This is basic Wikipedia policy we all need to follow. MrOllie (talk) 23:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

So that's it. You know what for the record, I am not convinced. Aaeliaba (talk) 00:02, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

The only reliable source is that Spider-Man is said to be moving speed at 200-250mph it's evidential that he moves by swinging, outrunning the speeding vehicles, not only running, he can leap and perform agility like an athletic stuntman and dodging attacks and react quickly. It's not the agility and reflexes he used, he combines them with speed. Aaeliaba (talk) 00:16, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

He is at 40 times faster average ordinary human. Aaeliaba (talk) 00:17, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

We cannot use your WP:OR as a source. If you cannot provide a source we cannot put this into the article. MrOllie (talk) 00:24, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Then what reliable sources do you want me to explain Spider-Man's superhuman speed instead of no original research? Aaeliaba (talk) 00:33, 22 June 2023 (UTC)