Talk:Loona

Contract termination.

(resolved) Since all members have terminated their contracts with blockberry, they are no longer members of Loona, and should be listed as such.

After all, Chuu has been moved to Former since she is no longer under contract with blockberry, and the status of the members should also be updated to reflect they are no longer members of the group.

Secondly, @Paper9oll, I believe you were wrong to revert my edits to the main paragraph. My updated version followed the standard structure for disbanded KPop groups, for example, IZ*One.

Is it contentious whether or not they are disbanded? None of them have contracts under Blockberry anymore, they're not members of Loona. Many of the members are already in different companies. Thetukars (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Thetukars As per existing WP:CONSENSUS, departing from label (any label) is not equals to disband and/or departing from the group. Also do you have reliable sources that explictly stated that, if so it's your WP:ONUS to provide such per WP:BURDEN. @Lightoil @Btspurplegalaxy @Purplelights who previously participated in the previous consensus discussion, what's your thoughts on the above and on the recent events, should the consensus be overturn or be updated or have its status quo remains? — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:59, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

The main paragraph looks better now.

After some consideration, I have to agree that departing from a label is not the same as departing from the group. While none of them are under Blockberry Creative anymore, I can see that does not necessarily imply they are no longer part of LOONA, except for Chuu, who was removed from the group.

However, since LOONA was owned (AFAIK) by Blockberry, who makes the decisions of who is part of LOONA and who is not? If none of them have contracts with Blockberry, but Blockberry owns the rights to LOONA, then simultaneously, how can the members also be a part of LOONA? For example, if they wanted to promote as the original twelve with Chuu, then surely they would need to get approval from Blockberry (which wouldn't happen), or another company would have to buy rights to the LOONA name? If none of them have contracts tied to either Blockberry or LOONA, then how would they remain members of the group? Wouldn't departing from a label but remaining in a group require a different process? Thetukars (talk) 14:48, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Thetukars If you want an example to your scenario, BB Girls (previously Brave Girls) is an recent example with the same concern raised by your scenario pertaining to naming rights which is similar here, even though I would assumed that Blockberry Creative like every other label would have copyrighted the group name, regardless the scenario you mentioned is not for us (Wikipedia editors) to worry about, those are fans concerns which isn't our problem here. We only write what was reported explictly by reliable sources. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:13, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for the example, I see your point, and I have to agree with you. My apologies. Thetukars (talk) 16:27, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

This isn't your typical situation of members departing a company because of their contracts expiring, so I don't think it ought to be viewed as them simply disbanding. They've all just gotten their contracts terminated, so I think it's best to see what they may have planned with regard to the group. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 19:46, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I think it is best we wait till it is officially announced that Loona has disbanded before labeling them as disbanded. Lightoil (talk) 08:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

on Modhaus' website it states that HeeJin, Kim Lip, Choerry & JinSoul are FORMER Loona members

https://www.mod-haus.com/ PoxKelly (talk) 15:31, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I see Modhaus has recently just signed a fifth member, so if they're successful in securing contracts for the remaining members, I propose we change the name to Artms. I know Modhaus has stated that "Artms" isn't a new name, but at the same, all the legal rights belong to Blockberry. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 20:07, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

It would be better to start a new article or a redirect in that case, we see that hyunjin and vivi have signed with ctd enm and chuu is with atrp, I don't think that the members are all going to be part of the artms project, however they may in the future participate in activities as twelve members (it's unknown, but entirely possible), so loona will remain loona and the artms project will remain as that Thetukars (talk) 19:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

The group isn't disbanded but Modhaus called HeeJin, Kim Lip, JinSoul and Choerry and HaSeul 전 멤버 ("former members") in their statements (1, 2), while CTDENM used 출신 ("former members" again) for HyunJin, ViVi, YeoJin, Go Won and Olivia Hye (1, 2), so it seems that Yves is the only remaining member now. --Chiya^ko92 13:37, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Olivia hye -> Hyeju

With Hyeju changing her stage name from Olivia Hye to Hyeju, how should this be shown in the article? ie, Hyeju (formally Olivia Hye)? https://twitter.com/ctdenm/status/1676516279933624320 Thetukars (talk) 14:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)