Talk:Suga

Mentions of the singles

Carlobunnie, Why is there no mention of "People Pt. 2" (your excellent article) or "Haegeum" in the Solo career paragraph? Estyxxxx (talk) 21:15, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

No particular reason. I just didn't include them when updating all the other information at the time. They've been added now, though anyone else could've inserted them in the meantime. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 23:36, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Article name

Recently RM's article was changed from the dab rapper to musician. The reason was the following: "He's not only a rapper, but also a songwriter, music producer, and occasional singer". Same can be argued about Suga. There is already an article for Suga (musician) which redirects here. I'm not very good at moving pages so I wanted to see if anyone would oppose the move before requesting it. - Ïvana (talk) 15:54, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I personally didn't agree with RM's page move and didn't get the chance to oppose it the first time. So I'm definitely not in favor of this one being moved. I mean it's obvious that their musicians but I don't think we need to make that distinction when I feel that it would unnecessarily be disambiguating it further. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 17:10, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

How is musician a further disambiguation than rapper? Isn't the 'rapper' designation a subset of the broader 'musician' term? Musicians compose, conduct, or perform music. A rapper may perform music (i.e. his raps) but not necessarily write or compose it. While Suga is known as a rapper, over the years he's come to be prominently known for all his skills as a musician, including writing, composing, producing, and singing. While I confess I don't always understand the arguments for or against certain disambiguations, I can see the case for musician over rapper. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 16:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Right? I feel like using musician instead of rapper makes even more sense for Suga since he's been known as a writer and producer for years (not to mention all of his other skills). I think rapper in this case might be too specific. - Ïvana (talk) 20:12, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

How can we move forward with getting the page renamed to "musician"? Numerous published articles already refer to him as a "musician" these days, especially given all of this writing and producing credits. Not to mention the awards he's been nominated for and won as a producer. DownTheRabbitBurrow (talk) 09:59, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Also, I just realized that one could make the argument that "Agust D" may be a rapper, but "SUGA" is a full-blown musician. He sings as well as raps, plays musical instruments, has well over 100 songwriting credits in KOMCA, and has produced numerous songs for other artists in addition to "re-imagining" Samsung's signature ringtone (which is rapless!) DownTheRabbitBurrow (talk) 10:08, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

D-Day album and tour should be added to the intro

Both of his mixtapes are mentioned but not his first album D-Day, which had actually set the record for first day sales for a rap album, besting even the likes of Drake and Eminem. Rumor has it sales were over 1 million, but I don't know where to go to for source.

He also recently completed a 2-month US/Asia tour with the US portion setting several records, including the highest grossing arena concerts in US history by a rap artist of any nationality, and the first rapper to earn over $3 million in a single arena concert (which he did on each of his three performances at the Forum in Inglewood CA, per https://touringdata.wordpress.com/2023/05/12/suga-d-day-tour/ and https://twitter.com/touringdata/status/1661086707104530438). DownTheRabbitBurrow (talk) 11:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Agree. I'll try to add the bit about the album and tour later today if I have time. I'll also look for sources for the 1m record (saw it on Twitter a while ago but I don't know if anyone else mentioned it or if it is actually true). - Ïvana (talk) 14:00, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the album! For the tour and the records it set, is it appropriate to at least mention it here? Or only on the tour page? DownTheRabbitBurrow (talk) 04:45, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

@DownTheRabbitBurrow: I tried to find sources regarding the 1m record sales but all of them referenced fansites in Twitter, so I couldn't include any of them. I'll check again later in Naver. For the tour I didn't have time to look for sources regarding the record attendance, I'll do that later. It needs to be added to the tour article first, and then maybe mentioned in this one, and then it can be on the lead. - Ïvana (talk) 21:09, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Does the link I had included in my first message on this thread (touringdata.wordpress.com) count as a valid reference? DownTheRabbitBurrow (talk) 09:53, 12 July 2023 (UTC)