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Asian "male" victim

If someone is "living as a woman" it seems a lot more likely they were a trans woman... men don't "live as women". Considering they may have been killed because they were trans, it seems a little ghoulish to not even acknowledge that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.63.147.98 (talk) 03:52, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Additionally using ‘He’ throughout obviously the remains were identified as biologically male but further evidence suggests that ‘this person’ or ‘they’ could be used as a replacement without damaging the integrity of the information Sexismcorrector23 (talk) 11:27, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Done. Atiru (talk) 10:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

The source states "Based on the victim's clothing, it is possible that the decedent may have lived as a woman". This is pure speculation, nothing to suggest that this theory is widely accepted or that there is any actual evidence of how the victim lived his life. You could also speculate that the killer could have dressed him in women's clothing, but there's no evidence of that either. The only facts that are known are that he is a deceased biological male that was found dressed in women's clothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.29.0.86 (talk) 13:47, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Naming suspect

I removed the suspect's name from an unsourced edit and revdel'd it - at that point they were named in only one source. Now many have picked it up, presumably fact-checked. While I would still rather wait until there has been an official announcement, I think there's a lot of coverage now of the arrestee. I would still advise care and devotion to sourcing - Richard Jewell is the cautionary example. Acroterion (talk) 15:26, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

It's been years since I've seriously edited WP. Would adding the "this is the subject of a current event" template at the top of the article be called for here? Or is there some standard of notability that it doesn't yet meet? Thanks, †dismas†|^(talk) 15:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

I've added one. Acroterion (talk) 15:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

I just want to caution naming the suspect per WP:BLP and WP:BLPCRIME. Per those policies, I'm at a soft "do not include their name". Esb5415 (talk) 20:06, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

• BLPCRIME does not mean we can not name the accused on this article. Rex Hermann's name is being widely disseminated in reliable sources. Of course we should not be writing as though he is guilty but yes he can be named. Iamreallygoodatcheckers ^talk 21:51, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  I went ahead and added the arrest, but did not include the name pending further discussion here. Iamreallygoodatcheckers ^talk 21:57, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  I see the name once. I think it makes sense to include. AMDG09 (talk) 02:04, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

• @Awshort: what is your argument for excluding the name? Iamreallygoodatcheckers ^talk 23:24, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2023

On July 14, 2023, the police arrested a suspect, Rex Heuermann, 59, in the Gilgo Beach serial killer cases. Rex Heuermann is an architect who works in Manhattan and resides in Nassau County. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/14/nyregion/gilgo-beach-murders-long-island-suspect.html Sourcechecker13 (talk) 15:32, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@Sourcechecker13:  Done by User:Atiru. Please see the last sentence in this article's lead section and leave a message on this talk page if you have any further requests or concerns. CityOfSilver 17:29, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@CityOfSilver: Would it be against policy to create a redirect from his name to this article? Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 19:20, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@Denniscabrams: I don't think it's an outright policy violation that could get you in deep trouble. The article for Ohio serial killer Anthony Sowell was created literally the day he was arrested, well over a year and a half before he was convicted, and of course you're not talking about anything nearly as contentious as that. That said, I'm also not sure it's in compliance with the bullet point at the end of WP:CRIME. Right now, we the public know next to nothing about why they arrested this man. Let's say you make the redirect, then it turns out this was a complete screwup by law enforcement and he had nothing to do with this. In that scenario, there would have been a period of time where typing an innocent person's name in the search box on here would have brought up an article named "Long Island serial killer" and that shouldn't sit right with anyone.

So while I don't think a redirect would be a major controversy, I'd still be cautious with one. I think the best approach would be to have it go to Long Island serial killer#Rex Heuermann, a subsection in the "Suspects and persons of interest" that I bet is going to be created and written shortly. CityOfSilver 20:06, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

BLP Notice

Template:BLP noticeboard Awshort (talk) 21:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Correcting some math (minor issues, but annoying).

Amber Lynn Costello is described as "approximately 100 lbs (50kg)". At 2.2kg/lb, 100lbs = 45.5kg, or alternatively 50kg = 110lbs. The same problem occurs in the description of Valerie Mack. Other lb/kg conversions seem correct (e.g. Melissa Barthelemy 95lbs/43kg). 136.168.144.146 (talk) 21:34, 14 July 2023 (UTC)