Talk:Sudanese civil war (2023–present)

Map

See this map I saw on a news site. Also posting this on Commons discussion: https://www.dabangasudan.org/en/all-news/article/more-people-killed-in-battles-in-el-obeid-and-sudan-capital Borgenland (talk) 14:46, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2023

Change "On 13 July, Egypt hosted a summit in Cairo, wherein the SAF, the RSF and leaders of Sudan's neighboring states agreed to a agreed to a new initiative to resolve the conflict." to "On 13 July, Egypt hosted a summit in Cairo, wherein the SAF, the RSF and leaders of Sudan's neighboring states agreed to a new initiative to resolve the conflict." Bigpoobles (talk) 17:44, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 19:41, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Map colors

As someone who's red-green colorblind, this might be one of the worst maps I've seen. Why can't more unique colors be used instead? 134.65.164.225 (talk) 08:48, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

2023 Sudan Civil War

With over 10,000 deaths [1] and numerous WP:RS calling it a civil war at this point, it unfortunately is one and thus should be classified as the 2023-Present Sudanese Civil War [2], [3]. Seeking consensus for name change to 2023-Present Sudanese Civil War (or a similar title). Dilbaggg (talk) 13:24, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Maybe the Fourth Sudanese Civil War will do. Dilbaggg (talk) 13:27, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

The number of deaths isn't relevant - it's WP:COMMONNAME - ie what the majority of sources and therefore readers are calling this event. The only mention (apart from a headline) in either article of 'war/civil war' is "The United Nations has warned that Sudan could be on the verge of all-out-war"and " UNHCR meanwhile has warned that an "all-out civil war" could lead to the "destabilization" of the region". No one calls it the "Fourth Sudanese Civil War", so no reader would recognise the name. Just about every martial word is being used at present, sometimes 'war', sometimes 'fighting', sometimes 'conflict'. IMO the present title is clear and will suffice until a generally used name evolves. Pincrete (talk) 15:13, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

These sources [4], [5], [6], hope you know how to click the 4, 5, 6 and read the sources . These are just three of many sources that have already called in a civil War. Conflict in Sudan has been going on since the 1960s, there were already three previous civil war and per WP:RS unfortunately a fourth has begun! Dilbaggg (talk) 06:21, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

This started as a small anti-coup protests which begun being larger and after WP:RS considered it Myanmar civil war (2021–present) it has been named as such, the same should go for Sudan! Dilbaggg (talk) 06:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Anyways just at least see the three of many sources: [7], [8], [9] Dilbaggg (talk) 07:09, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I saw them and does not affect Pincrete point, i.e., what the majority of sources and therefore readers are calling this event? and it is really does not support your point of calling it the "Sudan civil was (2023-present)" .. please stop using provocative language as hope you know how to click, what that suppose to mean?! FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

sources 4 & 5 - (DW & CNN), as I've already said, above refer to the UN/UNHCR warnings of what this might lead to when they speak of 'civil war', they aren't using it to describe the present situation. I can't read TES ($£). But nobody anywhere is calling it the Fourth Sudanese Civil War and we don't name articles based on our own assessment of what the event logically should be called - which is what you are proposing. You are welcome to start a move discussion to a 'stronger' term if you wish, but you cannot make up names for a conflict/war/fighting, especially when it risks being less recognisable to the potential reader. Because there is no clear established 'name' at present, we are left with coming up with the most recognisable description of the current events. Just about every martial word is being used at present is sources, sometimes 'war', sometimes 'fighting', sometimes 'conflict' - ocassionally 'civil war', never AFAI can see "Nth Sudanese Civil war". I don't know about the Myanmar events, but maybe sources have settled on a name for what has happened there - IMO they haven't yet iro Sudan. Pincrete (talk) 07:27, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

NB

You've posted the DW and CNN three times now and the TES one twice - the first two STILL don't call it a civil war and no one calls it the "Nth Sudanese Civil war".Pincrete (talk) 07:32, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

The 2021 Myanmar Conflict was gradually changed to Civil War as WP:RS started emerging, i am sure the same would be the case here, there are already many WP:RS that calls it a Civil War and it would be named as such. Perhaps 2023 - Present Sudanese Civil War, just like the current title 2023 Sudan Conflict has been "infered" rather than plagarised from the WP:RSs, lets wait and see but if more Wp:RSs emerges calling it a civil war it would have to be named as such, its not something i hope would happen but unfortunately it may go that way. Dilbaggg (talk) 09:35, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

If we were to do that, then I suggest we call it Third Sudanese Civil War. WikipedianRevolutionary (talk) 18:39, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@WikipedianRevolutionary I 100% agree. Also here is yet another source calling it a Civil war: [10] and there are more emerging. Dilbaggg (talk) 05:42, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

The headline in AA calls it a civil war, within the article it consistently uses 'conflict'. There have been a few others like that already.Pincrete (talk) 06:39, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Move request

I think it's now time to call it a civil war, many sources are now calling this a civil war, theres also now 3 belligrants and it surpassed 10k of deaths

Change from "2023 Sudan Conflict" to "Third Sudanese Civil War" Lucasmota0975 (talk) 23:40, 31 July 2023 (UTC)