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Who to ask for IP block exemption?

I get IP blocked every once in a while and can't edit to even ask for an exemption. My attempt to decipher IP block exemption didn't provide any result.(It was denied for some reason, which you can see on my talk page) How can I get this protection? Greatder (talk) 10:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@Greatder, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not really familiar with this process but, if you read WP:IPEC, you will see a subheading (How to request) towards the bottom of that section stating:

Request IP address block exemption through the Unblock Ticket Request System. You must ask from your registered account. Requests posted to the user talk page of the IP address will be automatically declined. Administrators granting this right may sometimes need to consult a CheckUser to confirm the problem, or may wish to obtain further review by posting the request onto an administrative list or page for discussion if unfamiliar with the case.

I hope that following those instructions may help address your problem. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:42, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Do you know of a willing CheckUser? I was told by the admin that denied my request to talk to a CheckUser which I either I cannot find or the one's I contact aren't active. Greatder (talk) 11:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@Greatder Re-reading your talk page and the link I gave you, I still feel you need to follow the procedure there and click 'Submit an unblock request', then it's up to an administrator to seek input from a checkuser. I know @331dot suggested you contact a CU, but it looks to me like the UTRS volunteer should be doing that on your behalf. The unblock form allows you to explain in detail your reasons for your request. But I repeat: I know very little at all about the mechanics of this process. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:33, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: @331dot: I don't understand why a checkuser needs to be involved. If an editor appears trustworthy, a net asset to Wikipedia, has a clean record, and is reasonably well established, then I have no problem granting IP block exemption, as I have done multiple times in the past. In this case, the editor has a clean block log, no serious warnings on the talk page except for a 3RR notice, and has met double the requirements for being extended confirmed. I would trust this editor with IP block exemption and would have granted it if 331dot hadn't declined the request. Is there any reason why I shouldn't grant it? ~Anachronist (talk) 02:51, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I was simply directing them, not weighing in on the merits of their request. I've occasionally given out short term IPBEs but it was my understanding a checkuser needs to look at longer term ones. Greatder was also asing for a "global" one which I take to mean one valid across all Wikimedia projects, which seems above my pay grade to grant.

Looking at WP:IPBE it looks like the need for a checkuser depends on the reason, under "used to bypass an IP range block" it says "Administrators granting this right may sometimes need to consult a CheckUser to confirm the problem, or may wish to obtain further review by posting the request onto an administrative list or page for discussion if unfamiliar with the case" but under "used for anonymous proxy editing" it says the requester needs to "Email the checkuser VRT team at checkuser-en-wp@wikipedia.org ensuring your email includes your username, or contact a CheckUser directly, explaining why you need to edit via anonymous proxies." 331dot (talk) 08:07, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

@331dot So, what do I need to prove my merit? I have been able to get IP block exemption on bn.wikipedia.com thanks to @Al Riaz Uddin Ripon. If you require a recommendation. Greatder (talk) 10:50, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I was simply trying to remove the middleman from the process and hook you up directly and thought I was abiding by policy, but if people are saying I can do this myself I don't have a problem with it. It's not about your merit. 331dot (talk) 11:45, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

@Greatder: The reason for a checkuser to be involved is probably because a checkuser can see what IP addresses you are using and have used in the past, while regular administrators like me cannot. This is relevant if you have a history of operating behind proxy IP addresses. Is that the case? Do you have a reason to use proxies? (Some people do if they are living in countries with tight internet control.)

Clearly you aren't blocked now, so it's possible that your service provider temporarily assigned you a blocked address or you attempted to access Wikipedia from someplace that's blocked. ~Anachronist (talk) 13:00, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist The reason is sometimes my mobile provider gets me blocked by Wikipedia and being behind a NAT. I also sometimes use Tor, though I cannot use it for editing Wikipedia. The Bangladesh government is going down the internet freedom ranking, so having a future-proof Tor accessibility would be helpful too, I guess. Greatder (talk) 13:36, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Ugh. I can't imagine editing Wikipedia on a mobile device. I tried it and found it an unpleasant experience. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:54, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Mobile data on laptop, though. Also, new editing tools at bn.wikipedia.com is very promising for the future of mobile editing. Thanks to both of you again! Greatder (talk) 03:19, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Sorry if off topic but maybe for try Wikipedia:Appealing a block Cwater1 (talk) 23:01, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Cwater1! But, after discussion with Anachronist and 331dot, I have received a global IP block exemption. Thanks, though. : ) Greatder (talk) 04:27, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Thought I could help. Cwater1 (talk) 20:42, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

pgae deletion

why my wickipedia page has been deleted Mauryamanish123 (talk) 10:50, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Every sentence you add should cite a reliable source as per WP:RS or else the whole page can be deleted.-1Firang (talk) 11:17, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello Mauryamanish123,

Thanks for coming to the Teahouse. I assume you are talking about the speedy deletion of your sandbox. Your talk page notes that the sandbox is deleted because "the page appears to be advertising which only promotes or publicises someone or something."

To quote from Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not: "Wikipedia is not a place to promote things or publish your thoughts, and is not a website for personal communication, a freely licensed media repository, or a censored publication."

In particular, you should not use Wikipedia to promote about yourself or some other person/group, not even on your sandbox page.

If you are curious about what you are allowed to have on your user page, please see WP:UPYES. Please note that your user pages are not a personal homepage and they do not belong to you (see WP:UOWN).

Please be aware of these policies!

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 13:17, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Mauryamanish123, I am an administrator and was able to read your deleted draft, which was overtly promotional and utterly unacceptable for this encyclopedia. For example, you wrote With a deep appreciation for India's cultural heritage and its rich tradition of sweets, Manish founded Shree Ram Sweets, a renowned sweet shop known for its wide range of delectable Indian sweets. The brand has become synonymous with quality and innovation, taking the age-old tradition of Indian sweets to new heights. That is followed by many other promotional statements written in an unacceptable tone. That type of language belongs (perhaps) on the company's website, but definitely not in a neutrally written encyclopedia article. Please be aware that promotional activity of any type is not permitted on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 03:42, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

They have now recreated the declined draft as another blatantly promotional page, ignoring the advice given above. I don't think that they are going to get the point. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:34, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Inquiry about CA.Pradeep Kumar Bhati or Pradeep Bhati page

Hi, 1. I wanted to know the current status of pages with name CA.Pradeep kumar Bhati or Pradeep Bhati on wikipedia? 2. Since how long the page is pending for any approval and the reason of the delay? 3. How this page issue could be resolved and it can be published as earliest? 4. If there are multiple pages than please verfiy and publish the right source page. 5. The information about the Official Spokesperson is available of Samajwadi Party website itself. There are over 50 debates available in different national channels of India. What else you want to check? please see all the links provided and these are all available in consolidation form (official page of Facebook, Instagram, Twitter accounts of the Pradeep Bhati)? CA. Pradeep Kumar Bhati (talk) 11:06, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

User:CA. Pradeep Kumar Bhati, the current status of both "CA.Pradeep kumar Bhati" and "Pradeep Bhati" is "doesn't exist". Nonexistent pages aren't awaiting approval (or anything else). Are they perhaps drafts? "Draft:CA.Pradeep kumar Bhati" doesn't exist, but "Draft:Pradeep Bhati" does. The current status of the latter seems to be "moribund": it was declined, but since then no attempt has been made to improve it (or resubmit it). As for your fifth question, are you familiar with the requirement for what Wikipedia understands to be "reliable sources"? -- Hoary (talk) 11:23, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Dear CA. Pradeep Kumar Bhati,

Thank you for your effort. Besides what User:Hoary has said, I would like to point out that your username is very similar to "CA.Pradeep Kumar Bhati" and "Pradeep Bhati". If you have a conflict of interest, you are expected to disclose it–you may do it on your user page. Please see WP:COI for more information.

It also seems that you are writing about a person related to a political party. If you are paid to create or edit the articles you mentioned, you also must disclose it. Please see WP:PAY for more information.

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 12:01, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Dear Sir, Username resemble but I am neither paid or directly associated with him. I disclose and reassure that any information uploaded is based on facts and information available in public domain

Thanks CA. Pradeep Kumar Bhati (talk) 02:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello CA Pradeep Kumar Bhati.

If your account name closely resembles a living person, and you are not that person (as you disclose in your previous comment), you may be/are likely at risk of violating WP:MISLEADNAME or WP:IMPERSONATE.

You should probably confirm whether you are or aren't that person, as if you aren't said person you risk being blocked. PenguinPhone (talk) 08:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Question Re: Page up for deletion and credible sources.

There is a page up for deletion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Pastor that I am trying to get corrected. As explained on Wikipedia, RS is short for reliable sources, information about which is detailed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources. The editor cites issues with that article is that it does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, that are independent of the subject. I am puzzled because the page reference sources list major News Publications notably The Las Vegas Review Journal (I believe the longest and largest daily newspaper in circulation since 1909 in Las Vegas) as well as The Las Vegas Sun. I assumed these would be sufficient to be deemed credible? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Pastor MFoskett (talk) 17:23, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

The best place place to address this is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Pastor. Please read the comments on that page and address them. Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:57, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

@MFoskett Whilst a deletion discussion is ongoing, you are free to find new and better sources and to add them to the article. If you do that, it may help to mention what you've added on the deletion discussion page to highlight any significant improvements since it was first nominated. I've saved quite a few articles that way. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:10, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

The article is not written in an encyclopedic manner. Why do you keep repeating Pastor's given name when it isn't necessary to eliminate ambiguity? Why are there so many words capitalized? Please read MOS:JOBTITLE.

I agree that the R-J and Sun are reliable sources. The question is notability. This is a weird situation in which two local newspapers with national reach are reporting on a local phenomenon in their capacity as local newspapers. It's comparable to multiple reports by The New York Times on some greengrocer in Soho: yeah, it's the NYT, but notability would be in doubt if the subject was in Lawrence, Kansas or Cullman, Alabama. It would be far better to demonstrate notability if you can find a non-Las Vegas-based reference. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 21:59, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, this helps a lot! MFoskett (talk) 12:29, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, this helps my understanding. MFoskett (talk) 12:30, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Chukuka S. Enwemeka

Dear friends, and Colleagues,

I am the Executive Director of the Nigeria Physiotherapy Network. I am leading a project to showcase distinguished and eminent Physiotherapists (physical therapists) of Nigerian ancestry who have life-long achievements and contributions to the field. I am currently working on the Wiki biography of Dr. Chukuka Sam Enwemeka, and the article draft have been rejected two times because despite what I would have considered significantly improvement based on initial rejection reasons of and providing additional independent references, and proper referencing formatting.

Kindly review, and help give me more specific recommendations. I have added additional refences, even after the second draft rejection.

Kindly advise: Draft:Chukuka S. Enwemeka

Sincerely,

WsdomCI Wisdomci (talk) 03:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Wisdomci. Your draft has been declined, not rejected. This is an important distinction because a rejected draft cannot be resubmitted, but you can substantively improve a declined draft, and then resubmit it. There are many problems with your draft. For example, seasoned is inappropriate, because it is a promotional word lacking substantive meaning in this context. Similarly, you cannot call him one of the foremost authorities or say that he pioneered something, unless you provide references to reliable, independent sources that use similar language. The section "Board Appointments And Other Positions Held" is unreferenced, and therefore a violation of the core content policy Verifiability. Either reference this section properly or remove it. The section "Resignation as Provost, San Diego State University" is written in an argumentative, defensive tone, relying on something written by the subject of the article to refute the email claims. This violates the Neutral point of view, another core content policy. Please explain your relationship with Chukuka S. Enwemeka. Cullen328 (talk) 04:12, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Wisdomci, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 18:01, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Letter from prosecutor's office

I am in a situation I don't know how to deal with. On the article Warren Forest, an IP user is trying to redact a woman's name because they claim they have a letter from a prosecutor's office telling them not to use that name [1]. I don't think we accept requests like that, but I'm not sure if I should bring it to the article's talk page, the IP's talk page, or to an admin. I don't want to edit war, and I don't want to handle this as a new user if someone more important is supposed to handle something like this. Thanks. Closhund/talk/ 06:15, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@Closhund: You're right to be cautious, and I recommend that you don't restore it (at least until more people have reviewed it). You're also right that we don't usually pay much attention to letters sent to other people, however, on the surface it does seem to be valid point. It's highly unusual to name people like this. Without delving into the merits too deeply, my advice would be to post at WP:BLPN where some highly experienced editors hang out. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 06:34, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I found a similar situation in the WP:BLPN archive. I'll just correct the grammar, leave the name out, and read more about BLP. Thanks. Closhund/talk/ 06:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Question about marriage template

If the subject of the article (who the template is on the page of) dies before their spouse, but the spouse died shortly after, would I not use "end=d."? What's the best way to deal with this situation? PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:32, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @PARAKANYAA: per the template instructions, "If the marriage ended because of the death of the article's subject, do not provide a reason". The d parameter is only used "if the marriage ended on the spouse's death". I don't think it matters how soon after the subject's death their spouse died. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:50, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Somehow I looked over that lol, maybe I read too fast PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:53, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Sources and general advice on new article

Hi there, I have created a new article, currently awaiting approval. I logged in to add recent 'news' and noticed there was a warning sign that says: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · NYT · TWL

I am autistic so I would really appreciate any help here. I find it extremely anxiety-inducing and challenging when I am trying to understand a new website/process. I can 'Find sources', but what does that look like when manifested into the article? There's a button for citations, that's very straight forward, but the instruction to add sources is a little vague for my neurodivergent brain. I hope someone cam help. I spent many days and hours creating this article. I have great respect for the Wikipedia community, although it's felt a little cold in terms of asking for help so far. I'd really appreciate anyone who might be able to help me complete my draft article. need some assistance. Here's hoping. Mx 23M23 (talk) 09:50, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I have reviewed and accepted your draft here Super Connected, The "find sources" tag wasn't a warning it was helpful advice about where one might find sources, you didn't need it though because your draft was VERY well sourced. Well done! Theroadislong (talk) 10:01, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! 23M23 (talk) 17:51, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

To reiterate what @Theroadislong said, this is genuinely an excellent attempt at a first article, well done. I've gone ahead and added it to the category Category:2023 albums and removed the 'no categories' tag. If you want to add more categories, you can do that via the article options. Qcne (talk) 10:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Still getting used to navigating this message thread and missed your message earlier. Really appreciate your feedback and help! 23M23 (talk) 17:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll add to the compliments. Very nicely done. 331dot (talk) 10:51, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Well done; and because it's substantial, you shouldn't be surprised or at all upset to learn that it does have little flaws. (If told that something I've written has little flaws, I'm happy. It more often has major flaws.) The article says: "[...] and includes a thrilling vocal cameo from Stephen Fry". (i) If you examine the sentence you'll see that the subject of "includes" has got lost. (ii) Without quotation marks, "thrilling" seems to be the opinion of Wikipedia. It mustn't be. You need something like "and includes what [name of music critic] has called a 'thrilling' vocal cameo from Stephen Fry". But these are minor. Good work! -- Hoary (talk) 11:54, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@23M23 And I'll add to the complimentary words and suggest this new article of yours is an absolutely ideal candidate for WP:DYK - the 'Did You Know...?' spot on the main page of Wikipedia. If successful, it can result in an article getting tens of thousands of views in just a 12 hour period. But, in my experience, understanding how to lodge that first 'DYK' nomination is actually harder (and more stressful!) than creating an article in the first place! But it's worth it.

There is a time limit of just 7 days to make a DYK submission from the point an article is accepted into the main part of Wikipedia (i.e. from today). Every DYK submission needs a 'hook' and I can see that Stephen Fry's involvement and Apple banning the album is spot on for an interesting 'Did You Know...?' Good luck if you decide to go for it! Nick Moyes (talk) 15:58, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello Nick, that's very kind of you. It may be challenging for me to do that, but if i can, I will try. If I do try, I make be back for some tips! Thank you! 23M23 (talk) 16:59, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree with @Hoary, it seems the Super Connected The Film section is written like an advertisement. Other than that, the article is really good and interesting! Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 17:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

My apoligies, I missed this. Will look at it asap. Thank you 23M23 (talk) 17:38, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Nick, I made the submission for DYK but I forgot to add an image. Does this make a difference? I have added the image to the main article now though. I tried to make the DYK again but it said it had already been submitted... 23M23 (talk) 08:59, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

"Reliable souces"

I created a draft article for Ibragim Suleymanov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ibragim_Suleymanov a recipient of the title People's Hero of Kazakhstan which is a clear and undeniable notability qualifier. I was more than a little worried because I know very well about Wikipedias anti-Central Asian bias and history of rejecting highly notable Central Asians for articles simply because they don't have English name recognition. None of the websites I cited in my article are prohibted, they are major Kazakh press entities. Just because you haven't heard of a source and don't know who to use google translate doesn't mean that a source is unreliable. This anti-Kazakh bias festering in Wikipedia is unnjustifiable. How would you feel if an article for Colonel Paris D. Davis was rejected in Kazakh Wikipedia on the grounds that American sources like CNN and Washington post weren't reliable and Kazakhs felt it wasn't worth giving him an article since he doesn't have Kazakh media about him? Wikipedia needs more anti-bias training. I knew it that the second I used the word Kazakh it would be treated differently than if I wrote about an American of similar status. Орта жүздің Ноқта ағасы Тарақты шежіресі is a reliable source and used in the Russian article. e-history.kz is cited often in english wikipedia and there is nothing unreliable about it. Жамбыл Жабаев творчествосы is a reliable book source for the poetry of Jambul. soviet-aces-1936-53.ru is cited in dozens if not hundreds of other Wikipedia articles about non-Kazakhs, but now that its in an article about a Kazakh it's not reliable enough? What about Aikyn.kz is unreliable? Should we declare the NYT not reliable because it isn't in Kazakh. I will share the news of this rejection on my social media, I highly doubt other Kazakhs will be amused by this. I would like to remind you how the Uzbeks feel about the time that another anti-Central Asian editor rejected Toshmuhammed Sarimsoqov's article because apparently being head of the national academy of sciences and recipient of the highest Soviet civilian honor isn't enough for an Uzbek to be worth an article. I demand a better expanation that "unreliable sources" because that is clearly not the problem here.--KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk) 12:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy pinging @DoubleGrazing who was the reviewer for this draft. Hopefully they can help explain the declination. I will just note, @KazyKazyKazakhstan, please don't make vague threats about sharing your grievance on social media- that isn't very constructive. Qcne (talk) 12:18, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

(Am I the only one who has no idea who Colonel Paris D. Davis is?) FeRDNYC (talk) 20:33, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

It is not illegal to complain about article rejection on social media. The US constitution protects freedom of speech which includes the right to complain about unjust rejection of Kazakhs and wrongfully declaring many major Kazakh newspapers and books to be unreliable — Preceding unsigned comment added by KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk • contribs) 12:20, 30 July 2023 (UTC) Wikipedia does not have the legal authority to arrest people for complaining about Wikipedia on twitter Wikipedia is not owned by the American government at least not officially. It is completely legal under American and Kazakh law to complain about Wikipedia article rejection.

Firstly- please remember to sign your comments so we can track who is saying what.

Let's take a step back and breathe- this is obviously an important topic for you but I think we should Wikipedia:Assume good faith and be careful that you don't resort to personal attacks.

Your article was only declined, not rejected, which shows that it can still be considered! Let's wait for the reviewer to pass some specific feedback, and hopefully we can then understand why they declined the article and what you can do to improve it. Qcne (talk) 12:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I would just add that "Freedom of speech" is irrelevant here. Like many people, you misunderstand what is meant by freedom of speech. To quote from that article: free speech ... prevents only government restrictions on speech, not restrictions imposed by private individuals or businesses such as Wikipedia. In other words, people can't write on Wikipedia whatever they like. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:50, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Speaking of constructive how is wrongfully declaring so many major and popular Kazakh newspapers and books to be unreliable not unconstructive? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk • contribs) How would you feel if Kazakh Wikipedia rejected an article about a really famous American like Desmond Doss because it felt that the major american newspapers and history books werent good enough for Kazakh Wikipedia?--KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk) 12:33, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@KazyKazyKazakhstan: firstly, I would ask that you try to remain civil, and avoid wild accusations and baseless claims of bias and discrimination; Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, and such an adversarial attitude is not conducive to collaboration.

I didn't say that Kazakh-language sources are unacceptable. I didn't even say that all the sources cited in this draft are non-reliable. However, I would say that half of the draft content is not referenced in any obvious way, and a couple of the sources cited did not seem relevant and/or reliable, leaving a significant proportion of the information potentially unsupported.

But now that you have resubmitted the draft (without making any improvements, I might add), you have the opportunity to have it reviewed again by someone else. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:38, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@KazyKazyKazakhstan: as a tangent comment, now that you have re-submitted the draft, I encourage you to take off the first paragraph "This person [...] and historical books." It is better to put this paragraph in the talk page of the article. I believe that your draft is more likely to pass without this paragraph. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 12:48, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

But if I dont put it there somebody certainly will think that the title Peoples Hero of Kazakhstan isn't evidence of notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk • contribs) 12:49, 30 July 2023 (UTC) Uncited? Every paragraph has citations and I have added more citations now. Every statement of fact is verified by one or more of the sources I used. I fail to see how ANY of the sources are irrelevant because all of them mention Suleymanov by name. You still haven't said which of the sources I used are not reliable, and i reiterate that they are not samizdat but these are major sources used in many other wikipedia articles--KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk) 12:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

If you take a moment to stop ranting and complaining about perceived injustices, you will note that your draft has already been accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 13:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Don’t you just love it when, instead of trying to improve their article, an editor just tries to blame it on the “anti-Central Asian” editors? Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Help I keep getting an annoying mesaage

I keep getting this, why:As an anti-abuse measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit. Please try again in a few minutes. If you are attempting to run a bot or semi-automated script, please read and understand our bot policy, then request approval. Users who run unauthorized bot scripts may lose their editing privileges. TheTopRocketFan (talk) 13:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

 User blocked User:TheTopRocketFan blocked as a sockpuppet of User:El Wikipedian. OutsideNormality (talk) 15:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Finding articles that are missing images

Is there a way to search for articles that lack images? Like if I wanted to find all the articles related to a particular topic or geographical area that don't have images is there a way to do that? Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 14:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@Adamant1, I don't know the answer to your exact query, but see Category:Wikipedia requested photographs and its subcategories for articles where users have flagged up a lack of photographs. —Kusma (talk) 15:04, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

See also Special:Nearby. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Adding new pages

I Opened my Wikipedia account to add pages to few topics that interests me, but I got rejected. Did not know what exactly would count as a solid reference for the topics that I am writing for.

I am writing about Ivy (Machine Learning), it's a new framework that aims to unify AI, something similar to Keras, when I wrote the article, it asked me for reference but was not sure what reference would be accepted for that. Can you point me to some trustworthy resource? A0m0rajab (talk) 16:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello A0m0rajab,

Thank you for coming to the teahouse. It is the responsibility of you, the editor, to find reliable sources as references for any article you wish to create. The criteria of a reliable source can be seen here at Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability. For example, according to Wikipedia:Verifiability, "academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources on topics such as history, medicine, and science."

I am assuming that you are new to Wikipedia. Please then also see Help:Referencing for beginners.

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 16:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @A0m0rajab,

Take a look at WP:RS on identifying reliable sources. I'd recommend creating a draft, and at the top of the page, you'll see a box with various tools, including links to find sources, see Template: Find sources. If you can't find reliable secondary sources, you should consider whether the article is WP:NOTAvle enough to have its own article. I'll see if I can find sources for you. NotAGenious (talk) 16:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your answers, my main issue is that, I might add a resource and it would be rejected. I will check the links you provided to understand the situation. Thanks. A0m0rajab (talk) 17:02, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

A0m0rajab Draft:Ivy was Declined (not Rejected). Do not resubmit until after you add valid references. Given newness of Ivy, WP:TOOSOON may apply. David notMD (talk) 18:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, I will wait then till I add that article. A0m0rajab (talk) 09:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Unable to save my draft

Hi i was creating a wikipedia article page and when I was saving for the draft the draft button was missing. How can I save the draft article or who can help me to creat a Wikipedia article page? Thank you! Sterry777 (talk) 17:15, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Whatever you created was deleted as unambiguous advertising or promotion. You should use the WP:AFC process for creating new articlesTheroadislong (talk) 17:19, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Theroadislong, I don't see any deleted contributions by the OP. -- Hoary (talk) 22:21, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

My mistake Hoary I was looking at this Sterry Ks. deleted in 2020. Theroadislong (talk) 07:00, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Sterry777, when you draft something, you won't be given the option "Save as draft", "Save provisionally", "Save for myself only", or similar. You'll just have the option to "Publish changes" (or of course "Show preview" or "Show changes"). In some situations, "Publish changes" means "Save as a regular article (one that will be indexed by Google, etc)"; but in others, "Publish changes" means no more than "Save (so that anyone can find this, if they know where to look for it)". -- Hoary (talk) 22:21, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Sorting

Is there a way to make a table that is able to be sorted in a non-alphabetical way, instead a specified order? For example a list that when sorted goes:

Rank	Name
Empire	Austria
Kingdom	France
Kingdom	Prussia
Principality	Orange

WikiWilliard (talk) 20:53, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

WikiWilliard, Help:Sortable tables suggests to me that yes it can, thanks to data-sort-value. But I've never tried this and confess to a lack of appetite for trying it now. Another editor may well step up to give you a better-informed response. -- Hoary (talk) 22:35, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@WikiWilliard: Empire, Kingdom, Principality are already in alphabetical order´but suppose we want to sort Duchy after all of them. You can invent a data-sort-value which places it as wanted, e.g. data-sort-value="Q" | Duchy. The sortkey is not seen by readers so it doesn't have to be meaningful. Another option is to give numbered sortkeys to all values, e.g. data-sort-value="1" | Empire to data-sort-value="4" | Duchy. It's more work and makes no difference to readers but in some cases it may simpler to follow for other editors who work on the table. You have to give a sortkey in each cell which shouldn't sort as its content. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@WikiWilliard I created List of species and habitats of principal importance in England which contains a single species list of a mixture of taxonomic groups, but is not sorted alphabetically. I used Excel to edit the data according to the reliable source, then converted it into a wiki format, and then enabled sorting on all the fields. Now, I could have included a 'sort order' number which would have enabled the table to return to its non alphabetically-sorted order, but decided just to let the user refresh the page if they want to see the data in its original arrangement. I'm not sure if this is helpful to you, but it does shows one simple way of presenting data which can then be sorted, but which can't be 'unsorted' without reloading the page. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:29, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

If you click the same sort arrow three times then the table returns to the original order. If there were rowspans then they are not restored. If there are sortbottom rows then they remain at the bottom. Reload is the only way to completely return all tables. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:45, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

afc declined

d Filmymusafir (talk) 22:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Filmymusafir,

Could you go into more details what you want us to answer? ✶Mitch199811✶ 23:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Patson Pereira  あやかなあ?  (talk) 23:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@Filmymusafir Your submission has not been reviewed yet, so it hasn't been declined. Happy editing!  あやかなあ?  (talk) 23:37, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Filmymusafir, Draft:Patson Pereira has been submitted for review. One very obvious problem is the extraordinary number of words capitalized for no obvious reason. You might start by converting to lowercase. -- Hoary (talk) 23:40, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I just declined it. Most of the citations were to Wikipedia. Notability wasn't clearly established. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:30, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello Filmymusafir. You start your draft article by stating Patson Pereira was born 13 August, 1992 but then, in the Early years section, you write he was born in 1971. You can only give one birth date, and there needs to be a reliable reference for that date. I suggest you take your time, find more good references, and rewrite your draft, followed by proofreading it to make sure there are no mistakes before resubmitting it for review. You may find it helpful to read Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. Best wishes on improving your draft article. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

You should delete the paragraph that starts with "He has worked as Sound Engineer..." as that removes all the attempts to use Wikipedia articles as references. David notMD (talk) 08:29, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for your suggestion. i have just converted to lowercase. Also the year 1971 was a type error, which has been fixed. i have given all the references. added apple music, spotify, wynk music links to support the craft of the artist. kindly suggest any other changes and help me in publishing the page. Filmymusafir (talk) 14:11, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

hi @Filmymusafir! for a start, a lot of the citations are still pointing to Wikipedia and seem to be intended as internal links instead of references (and even if you did, you can't use those as references anyway as people above have said). you may link to them by enclosing their names with square brackets like this: [[London]] which makes London. once you fix those, it's best to check out the notability criteria for music and find some reliable sources that feature and focus on your subject (you may start by doing a quick google news search for them), since as of now none of the sources are focused on them specifically (instead on other things they've worked on where they get a passing mention). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 14:24, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

How to keep track of article lists/projects you want to work on

What tools do people here usually use to easily access the articles they are interested in editing? I am thinking of someone who may have particular editing interests that may be relevant to special pages, WikiProject article lists, etc. There doesn't seem to be a way to easily follow or create a link for yourself if you wanted to regularly check, say, WP:DEORPHAN. I find myself having to re-locate all the to-do pages for projects I am interested in, which is time-wasting. La Ovo (talk) 23:46, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@La Ovo: I use my watchlist most frequently to monitor the subjects that I'm interested in, or have interested me in the past. See Wikipedia:Watchlist. You can also maintain a section of links on your user page User:La Ovo (which is currently not being used for anything in your case). ~Anachronist (talk) 00:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

apart from the watchlist, one can also use their sandbox to store things like this. I inserted User:AnomieBOT/SPERTable and EPERTable in my sandbox as a template as well a small list of pages I will work on when I actually feel like adding content (mostly to distinguish them between the noise of my watchlist being 99% user talks, teahouse, helpdesk, and the aformentioned SPER and EPERTable). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:17, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

User talk:La Ovo - In addition to the ideas above, another option may to add a subpage of a user page. For example, at User:JoeNMLC/Article cleanup, I have setup wikitables to track articles for Proposed deletion and AfD that I am working on or have worked on in the past. These are easy to setup and maintain as I track changes. Hope this helps. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 02:40, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

teddy bears North American bear co. Chigago illanoise

a teddy bear sacs fifth ave 2601:205:8201:74F0:C41C:7900:6855:264D (talk) 00:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

If you have a question about using Wikipedia, please phrase it more intelligibly. -- Hoary (talk) 00:03, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Should I need to starting editing?

I know that some pages is semi-protected, can I help you get starting? Ares123893 (talk) 00:16, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Ares123893, yes, some are semi-protected. No, you can't help me edit them, thanks. Or are you asking me to help you? Individual users don't need to start editing; they can websurf elsewhere, or of course they can turn off their phones and computers and enjoy the "real world". -- Hoary (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

"real world" being in quotes implies it's not actually real /j

...jokes aside, if you mean you'd like help editing, I recommend you start with pages not at semi protection (and especially not ones at extended confirmed protection, ones with a blue lock) unless you're doing something like fixing obvious typos, as these are usually more controversial or harder to navigate. if you'd like some ideas on which pages to edit, check out some easy tasks to do at the task center or your editor homepage. you can edit semi-protected pages already, but for extended-protected ones you may create an edit request: check out Edit request to see how you can make one. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:04, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Who is this "The Best Known For IP?"

What happened to him on Wikipedia that made him rage a war for nearly the past decade?

Do we know what he seeks to accomplished by making numerous accounts?

Do we know any details about him IRL like if he worked for Wikimedia?

Is there anything more we can do to stop him?

This rabbit hole goes so far it would take me hours to get a clear picture this. UnironicEditor (talk) 04:04, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, UnironicEditor. Please read Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Best known for IP. Cullen328 (talk) 04:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Just because it's worth making this point as clearly as possible: Do we know any details about him IRL like if he worked for Wikimedia? No, we don't (meaning the larger community as a whole), and attempting to uncover such information or making it public would be WP:OUTING, and is a sanction-worthy offense. Even with vandals. FeRDNYC (talk) 20:24, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

List of all Wikipedia pages?

How do I find a list of all pages on Wikipedia? Esoptron (talk) 04:41, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Esoptron, and welcome to the Teahouse! A list of all pages by namespace is available at Special:AllPages. Tollens (talk) 04:46, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

tyvm Esoptron (talk) 04:48, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Review the Article

Hi, I would sincerely like to ask for the review by wikipedia editors on this article named Wibool Piyawattanametha. As I have COI tag, I no longer want to edit further. However, I have worked on some of the citation needed statements and tried to add more reliable secondary sources. Could anyone review this article and remove the poorly citated statements and unreliable sources?

I have previously encountered "This article is written like a resume" tag. So, now the necessary edits and citations are being added. I would appreciate if you could have a look at the article and remove those tags and remove the sentences which have failed to achieve wikipedia's policy.

Many Thanks! Aayushma Sharma (talk) 08:05, 31 July 2023 (UTC) "Al

Just one point, Aayushma Sharma. "Alumni" is only a plural form, I believe. (A singular male is an "alumnus".) -- Hoary (talk) 08:27, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Aayushma Sharma, it's not clear to me that Piyawattanametha satisfies Wikipedia's standard of notability. I've checked the first five sources cited, and none of those help to establish notability. Which three of the other sources, in your opinion, do most to establish notability? Maproom (talk) 09:42, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Please do not remove citation-related maintenance templates from the article without resolving the issues they highlight, Aayushma Sharma. In this edit, you removed a note that the source cited for the claim about the subject's BSc doesn't verify it and the tag highlighting the need for a citation for his postgraduate degrees. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:03, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

What do we mean by 'encyclopedic context'?

This is not a pressing issue, but a non-substantive (I think!) tangent to an editorial issue I was working on this morning: WP:SALLEAD begins with the following sentence:

A stand-alone list should begin with a lead section that summarizes its content, provides any necessary background information, gives encyclopedic context, links to other relevant articles, and makes direct statements about the criteria by which members of the list were selected, unless inclusion criteria are unambiguously clear from the article title. (bold added)

In this context, what do you take 'encyclopedic context' to mean? I've searched for the phrase in other guidelines, where it seems to be used a little differently to mean something like: 'Place the paraphrased material in the context of Wikipedia as an encyclopædic project, in contrast to the context of the information in the sourced text.' Here, dealing with a list of article names from within Wikipedia, it seems to mean something a little different. Is this phrase clear to any of you? Much thanks. Pathawi (talk) 08:06, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Does WP:TONE help? Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:20, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Maybe… That would make sense to me if what the guideline said were 'should be written for an encyclopedic context', but here the lead should 'give encyclopedic context'. (I'm really sorry: I'm not trying to be difficult!) Pathawi (talk) 08:25, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Pathawi. "Encyclopedic" means written in full compliance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, especially its core content policies of Verifiability, the Neutral point of view, and No original research. Cullen328 (talk) 08:30, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Pathawi: if you were to create a list of notable red-haired dentists, it would need to start with an explanation of why red-haired dentists is a "thing". I think that is part of what WP:SALLEAD is saying. Maproom (talk) 09:47, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft rejected needs review assistance

I am currently working on the Wiki biography of Fela Akinse , and the article draft have been decline two times because despite what I would have considered significantly improvement based on initial rejection.

It hurts to see My draft rejected but feel he pass notability because He is a member of Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers should pass WP:NACADEMIC#3 See [[2] or [3] and they are good source for WP:GNG aswell along with [4] [5][6].And WP:CREATIVE #2 for his invention which received significant recommendations from Nigeria immediate past president see [7] and also a good potential for WP: Basic aswel.

Kindly review, and help give me more specific recommendations. I have added additional references and adjustments along with other experience editors, even after the second draft decline.Bruce954 (talk) 09:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bruce954.

Ironically I think you've now fallen into the trap of Wikipedia:Citation overkill. Could you give us just the three best sources which are independent of Fela, from reliable places, are secondary, and discuss Fela in detail or provide analysis / interpretation?

Note your draft has only been declined, not rejected. Qcne (talk) 12:32, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Qcne Thank you for your positive response, kindly see this as requested. [8] [9][10][11][12]. Please kindly note, I also have an argument above of him pass notability for WP: BASIC , WP: GNG , WP:CREATIVE, WP:NACADEMIC . Bruce954 (talk) 13:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

@Bruce954, the first diff is to IEEE, which is affiliated with Mr. Akinse (because as you say he's a member). What we need to see are three that constitute all of the following:

1. Independent (not affiliated in any way)
2. Reliable (in general the minimum standard is evidence of editorial oversight)
3. Significant coverage

Which three (and only three; if you provide five, and we check the first one, and it doesn't qualify, a lot of folks won't even look at the rest) constitute this? Valereee (talk) 22:40, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I Valereee appreciate your response, please kindly see [13][14] [15] and please, kindly note , I have an argument above aswel which can also be considered. Bruce954 (talk) 00:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I would say that the Nigerian Tribune is a good source, but The Nation seems a bit promotional in nature- especially the list of random facts at the bottom. I wonder how or why that article was created? Vanguard could be a good source too, but is a little short. Ideally you'd want to see some interpretation and analysis of Fela's activities- these three sources have a hint of promotion about them. Qcne (talk) 11:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Keep an eye on article

Hey

I'm at work so can't focus on this properly. Can someone keep an eye on List of IOC country codes. I'm on 2-reverts and can't see anything constructive from the IP (blanking, unexplained mass changes etc). Ta. doktorb _words^deeds 09:47, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done. The IP address vandalizing that article has been blocked for a month and everything has returned to normal. I've also added the article to my watchlist temporary if the IP user decides to evade the block. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 10:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks :) doktorb _words^deeds 12:04, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Providing references

I have had a draft rejected because, understandably, it did not have references but how DO I provide a reference for where someone went to primary school or did their first degree, apart from personal knowledge? Mfsstshr (talk) 14:33, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mfsstshr,

You may want to read WP:BACKWARD. In short, if you do not have a source that says some information, then do not add it. You also might be able to break WP:PRIMARY as that seems like basic enough information (though I would go for option 1). ✶Mitch199811✶ 14:53, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

@Mfsstshr, assuming this is about a WP:BLP (and if it isn't), you may have to conclude that for WP-purposes, you can't. Stuff like "where someone went to primary school" can maybe be "fixed" with a WP:ABOUTSELF source, but note that such sources do not help the case for WP:N. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:55, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Improving draft article on K-crossover music group CREZL

Dear Teahouse community, I have gotten very helpful comments from editors here on my Draft:Crezl. As I continue to improve the draft and wait for approval, may I get some additional feedback from experienced reviewers? Many thanks in advance. Echohk (talk) 14:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

@Echohk I can't read any of the citations, owing to my lack of language skills but one immediate issue is that you have included many external links in the body of the article. that's a no-no: WP:ELPOINTS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:25, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Also, it is standard practice to include the English translation of the titles of your citations, using the |trans-title parameter that's available in {{cite news}}, for example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the translation, this is the very reason I initiated writing a Wiki article. There is a lot of foreign language content, but none in English. I looked at another Wiki page for some guidance (Forestella, which is also a crossover group borne out of the Phantom Singer show, like Crezl). They had predominately Korean language articles and cited in Korean, not a English translation. Could you provide some advice? Thank you so much. Echohk (talk) 12:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your feedback. I removed the external links in the table. I believe I have now only internal links to other wiki articles in the body of the article. Echohk (talk) 12:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Tone of writing

I have created the entry for Bridget Lancaster & am being told it is held up because of tone. It's confusing because I am not seeing the language that is 'PR' or promotional. Advise please. Geraldine Aino (talk) 15:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

This presumably refers to puffery like Her commitment bringing people together and making a positive impact on society has earned her respect within the culinary world, which does not appear in the cited source. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:19, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

@Geraldine Aino The reviewers seem to think that Lancaster is notable as defined by Wikipedia, so you should persist with the draft but need to read WP:NPOV and WP:BLP to see the relevant policies which you must comply with in your re-write. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:22, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Geraldine, I went through and removed the promotional stuff, but on a quick spot check, source 5 doesn't even mention Boston or West Virginia? Am I missing something? Valereee (talk) 18:39, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Geraldine Aino. Let me start by saying that I enjoy cooking shows and am very familiar with this cook/performer. I think that she is probably notable and the encyclopedia would be better off with an article about her. But I want to raise another issue. Notability is established by providing references to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to the topic. Lancaster is a star on the PBS network, and the majority of your references are to PBS and to various of its member stations. Essentially, these sources are promoting their own broadcast content. So, I encourage you to provide more references to sources that are entirely independent of PBS. Cullen328 (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Can you ban this user or block him from editing?

The User talk:2.99.114.44 is threatening me. He told me to "kys" which means "kill yourself". Can you ban this user or can you block him from editing? He might be a troll. Flag Creator (talk) 15:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Done EvergreenFir (talk) 15:31, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! If he continues to do this to me, I will inform you. Ok? And also, he tells that he's Ernest Khalimov, also known as "Gigachad". He even claims he's the super administrator of Wikimedia. Flag Creator (talk) 15:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

@Flag Creator, in the future, WP:AIV may be the place to go in such situations. WP has quite a lot of specific noticeboards for specific issues. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:17, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

How do we design our usernames?

I see some usernames which are kind of designed with emojis, colors, fonts etc. How can I do the same thing to my username? Flag Creator (talk) 15:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

hi @Flag Creator and welcome to the teahouse! that is the signature of a user, which you may decorate with some knowledge of Cascading Style Sheets: see Custom signatures for some guidelines and tips on this. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 15:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I am getting confused. Everytime I do that, it's not working. Can you show an example? Flag Creator (talk) 15:55, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

If you scroll down in Special:Preferences, you will see a section where you can input custom signatures. Make sure to check the "Treat the above as wiki markup." button. If unchecked, your custom signature will appear broken. Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:09, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing_your_signature for more detailed help. (Oh, never mind, Melecie already linked there. Sorry!) FeRDNYC (talk) 20:18, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

get drafted

normally, images in a draft aren't something you should worry about uploading until after (translation: if) it gets accepted

but is there any real problem with adding an image that fits and is already available elsewhere (like a picture of two marketable plushies that previously only existed in the article about one of them)? cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 16:19, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Cog-san: if an image is on Wikimedia Commons, there should be no problem in using it in a draft. If it's on en:Wikipedia, it probably shouldn't be used in a draft. Can you give us a link to the image you want to use? Maproom (talk) 16:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

it's just a general question, for whenever this happens

thanks cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 16:45, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

External Links - OK sometimes?

Inline External LInks

I am getting conflicting feedback re: external links. The Wikipedia Help pages provides examples of appropriate uses, but other editors have quite adamantly told me to never use inline links. I believe they should be used sparingly, based on my research of this site, but they are not forbidden. For example, a company should link to its corporate website: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking. Please chime in but provide links to Help pages that support your view Crystallake69 (talk) 16:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

The page you linked to is mostly concerned with internal links, i.e. to Wikipedia articles. External links normally should not be placed in the body of an article. Please read Wikipedia:External links. Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:12, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm pulling the first sentence from that page: "Wikipedia articles may include external links, links to web pages outside Wikipedia."And the page goes on to provide examples of value-driven links that are allowed.

Are others reading this infering the same thing? It's quite clear to this reader, but then I get so much pushback from others? Crystallake69 (talk) 21:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

@Crystallake69, yes, and the second sentence says "External links normally should not be placed in the body of an article." The body of the article is the text. External links normally go after the text, at the bottom of the page, in an external links section. A single link to an official website can go into an infobox. Other than that there are very few exceptions. Valereee (talk) 22:09, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

@Crystallake69, it's also about links inline; that is, links to external sites in the text of the article rather than in an external links section (or to the website in an infobox). If you could explain where you're having the discussion with the other editors, we might be able to help more. Valereee (talk) 18:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay, so maybe you're referring to this edit? Valereee (talk) 18:29, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Creating your page

Hi,

I really don't know how this all works, but I am losing out on work because I am not identifiable on Wikipedia, which is just crazy! There's so much about me online and on TV, how do I create a wikipedia page? EMILYEVANS88 (talk) 22:39, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

EMILYEVANS88, see WP:YFA. Creating a Wikipedia article about yourself has an almost guaranteed chance of failure, so I would personally wait until an uninvolved volunteer decides to create an article about you. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:51, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

@EMILYEVANS88, in general trying to create an article about yourself is a losing prospect, per WP:AUTOBIO. I'm willing to look into it to see if it's possible.

There are a lot of Emily Evanses out there, so hard for me to check. What we need to see are three sources that each constitute all of the following:

1. WP:Independent (not affiliated in any way)
2. WP:Reliable (in general the minimum standard is evidence of editorial oversight)
3. WP:Significant coverage

Can you bring us three links? Only three, please. Read the information at the links to understand what we're looking for.

Valereee (talk) 22:53, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Valereee.

So if you type in on google, Emily Evans Property. You'll see alot about me, please see below link:

https://www.google.com/search?q=emily+evans+property&rlz=1C5CHFA_enGB756GB756&oq=emily+evans+property&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j35i39j69i59j69i64j69i60l2.4171j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#ip=1

I don't really understand what constitutes a good source, so added a few more below:

https://www.evansestates.com/press/

https://ktla.com/morning-news/actual-brit-emily-evans-hosts-royal-roundup-challenge/ EMILYEVANS88 (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

https://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/news/18036629.bridgwater-estate-agent-emily-evans-gets-sneak-peek-britney-spears-hollywood-home/

https://thenegotiator.co.uk/bridgwater-to-britneys-mansion-letting-agent/

https://amazingwonderbirds.com/episodes/episode-109/ EMILYEVANS88 (talk) 23:03, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the subject, who take note of significant coverage of a topic in independent reliable sources and choose to write about it, showing how the topic meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. Trying to force the issue yourself doesn't usually work. Wikipedia to be frank is not concerned with how the presence or lack thereof of an article affects someone. This is not social media like LinkedIn. Potential employers should be looking at your resume, not whether or not there is a Wikipedia article about you. 331dot (talk) 00:07, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

There are good reasons to not want an article here. Any information about you, good or bad, can be in an article about you as long as it appears in an independent reliable source and is not defamatory. Anyone can edit it, not just you. 331dot (talk) 00:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Emily, I'm a volunteer. I work on what I want to work on. I offered to help, and I asked you to read the links to try to understand what we were looking for. I asked you for three and no more than three links. Instead you give me six, one of which has three links, only half an hour later, which makes me think you didn't actually try very hard to understand. You're asking me to do work -- for free -- so you don't have to, so you can earn money. Valereee (talk) 00:49, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I’m sorry you feel this way. I’m not at all tech savvy. And realised that I attached links that may have not worked. So added some more to cover them all. I personally don’t think I have the links that suit any criteria.

Also I didn’t realise you were a volunteer. Maybe I best just stay away from Wikipedia. It’s not my area of expertise at all. I give a lot of free advice myself to help people. So appreciate you also willing to help me. But please don’t worry. I need to find time to sit down and understand this all properly. 2603:8000:BD00:26:B048:482:BAF:4906 (talk) 00:55, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

We're all volunteers here, every one of us. Valereee (talk) 00:56, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Well thank you for offering. And sorry that I sent too many! 2603:8000:BD00:26:B048:482:BAF:4906 (talk) 01:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

yeah you cant make a page about yourself, has to be a independent source UnregulatedAmphibian (talk) 02:08, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@UnregulatedAmphibian: That is incorrect. There's nothing forbidding someone from writing an article about themselves; only that it is strongly discouraged. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

do you want a fight or something lets throw hands mate UnregulatedAmphibian (talk) 02:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I strongly recommend you remain civil. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

just a joke mate UnregulatedAmphibian (talk) 03:23, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

watchlist management

what is a good way to organize your watchlist in order to best use that thing, i don't really know what people use it for or how to organize it so it isnt just a mess Iljhgtn (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Iljhgtn, I've never attempted to organize my watchlist, I just check it regularly to see what recent changes have been made to the articles I'm watching -- those that I originally created or did a lot of edits on, and those on a subject that particularly interests me. I use it to see what's happening with favorite articles. Sometimes I notice the person that added information isn't an expert on English grammar, so I'll do a little copyediting to make a sentence easier to understand. Other times I'm just pleased that good referenced information has been added. Some editors may keep track of articles that have been vandalized, or ones that often have a well-intentioned person adding details that aren't referenced. The edits may need to be reverted. I hope this helps you know what a watchlist can be used for. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Personally, I have two reasons why articles are on my watchlist:

1. Articles I have a continuing interest in monitoring. These are permanently on the list, because I want to know anything that goes on with them.
2. Articles I have edited, just because I noticed something I could do to improve them (eg spelling corrections, formatting, referencing), but which I don't have a long-term interest in, I add to my watchlist for a week or a month, just in case someone points out a problem with what I've done.

How much you add to your watchlist will depend on how 'busy' (frequently changed) the articles are, and how many notifications you want to receive each day. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 12:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

guys wouldnt it be funny if like on april the 1st we all change some information on wikipedia so like everything is slightly wrong

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maybe like change someone important (like bill gates) birthday so its a day ahead of their actual birthday or maybe change what city they were born in or something small that people wouldnt really notice but when you do notice it its like 'ohhh snaaap what a prank' UnregulatedAmphibian (talk) 02:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

just suggesting UnregulatedAmphibian (talk) 02:13, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

What you are describing is vandalism and should not be encouraged. Weenis McPeenus (talk) 02:14, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

listen here weenis its actually not if we all collectively (jimbo included) agrees

it would be funny UnregulatedAmphibian (talk) 02:15, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@UnregulatedAmphibian: Wikipedia does allow some jokes for April Fools Day, just not in articles. See Wikipedia:Rules_for_Fools RudolfRed (talk) 02:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

ok UnregulatedAmphibian (talk) 02:36, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

thanks for clearing it up mate UnregulatedAmphibian (talk) 03:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

User has been blocked as a sock. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 04:23, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

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Fortaleza percentage typo?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortaleza#Politics

In the linked article.

"(26,457% of the total state)"

Is it supposed to be 26.457%?

I was looking up cities near the equator that are at sea level.

75.142.254.3 (talk) 02:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it should be using period instead of a comma per WP:DECIMAL. I fixed it. RudolfRed (talk) 02:44, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Note that the comma is used for this in several European languages, so it may not be a typo, so much as a writer unaware of the conventions in English. ColinFine (talk) 19:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

A Good Article review problem

Chuck Person's Eccojams Vol. 1 is nominated for a GA review. As of August 1st, User:UnregulatedAmphibian has started a review process and added a few comments to the review. The problem is that UA is a brand new account, started August 1st, and as such, is not qualified to be a GA reviewer. I am asking that an Admin reverse the review process and leave UA a note to not attempt any GA reviews until more experienced. I am aware the there are no restrictions on being a GA reviewer other than having registered an account, but feel that the nomination is not being properly serviced. David notMD (talk) 03:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

if there's no restrictions on me leaving a review then why are you posting this? cheers UnregulatedAmphibian (talk) 03:22, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

you mention that i'm not qualified to be a GA reviewer, but then state that there's no restrictions on being a GA reviewer, why are you contradicting yourself? just trying to contribute to the community mate UnregulatedAmphibian (talk) 03:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

It just seems like you're being a bit harsh to me for trying to involve myself, i get that i joke around a bit and i'm new around here, but i'm just trying to do my part. I've noticed you've also replied to me on a separate matter, therefore showing you took the time out of your day to look through my log. I don't want any confrontation, but i really don't understand why you selected my review out of the millions of other reviews. UnregulatedAmphibian (talk) 03:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

User:UnregulatedAmphibian indef blocked as sockpuppet. This still leaves unresolved the inadequate and incomplete GA review of Chuck Person's Eccojams Vol. 1. David notMD (talk) 04:22, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD I G5 deleted the review and reverted so the GA bot will put it back in the queue as it originally was for someone else to review. Courcelles (talk) 04:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Primate cities typo?

"Fortaleza, along with Recife and Salvador, is a considered one of the primate cities of Northeast Region."

Am I missing something? Primate cities? Primary cities?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortaleza#Politics

75.142.254.3 (talk) 05:51, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Primate city, but usually these kind of issues are better discussed on the article's talk page rather than here NotAGenious (talk) 06:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Last sentence of Lead now reads "Fortaleza is one of the three leading cities in the Northeast region together with Recife and Salvador." David notMD (talk) 06:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD I've changed that section as it didn't sound right. Also I realized that my reply here got taken away by the achieve bot just as I posted it. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 06:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, I thought structured discussions were supposed to (at least help) protect against getting edit-conflicted with the archive bot (or any other editor)?

As for the claim that the previous version didn't sound right, beware of simply being thrown by unfamiliar vocabulary. As NotAGenious pointed out with their helpful link, "primate city" is a recognized term, and (crucially) has nothing to do with zoology; the root is the same as in "primary" or "prima donna". It may not have sounded right to you, previously, but hopefully having seen the primate city article, it now sounds right-er? FeRDNYC (talk) 19:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

(Also, feel free to, instead of changing the text, link primate city to that article where it first appears in the section. Presumably it wasn't already linked, because it was previously used elsewhere in the article. The rule around here used to be one wikilink per term per article, but that was recently changed to one per section.) FeRDNYC (talk) 20:03, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I Want to Create a Wikipedia Page for the name of " Vision IAS "

Hi Team, I Want to Create a Wikipedia Page for the name of " Vision IAS " . I am having reliable source for it, such as

1. Times of India 2. Hindustan Times 3. Jagran Josh 4. Livemint 5. OP India 6. Navbhratimes 7. Indian Express

We are also doing the social work for the societies through the help of our organization names as " Paras India " ( https://www.parasindia.in/).

Also having a School in rural India named as " Global Village Foundation ( http://globalvillagefoundation.in/rdgvschool/index.html ) Infinityvision02 (talk) 06:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Have you read WP:YFA? It's usually strongly encouraged to make edits to existing articles (see WP:TASK) before creating a new article. NotAGenious (talk) 07:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Yss, I have read and understood Infinityvision02 (talk) 07:50, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Also, WP:WHATNOT, WP:NOTA, WP:42, and use critical thinking what comes to WP:TOI NotAGenious (talk) 07:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Infinityvision02, what makes you say "We are also doing the social work for the societies through the help of our organization names as " Paras India " ( https://www.parasindia.in/)"? -- Hoary (talk) 07:27, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Please check here are our credentials or also can go through this link ( https://www.parasindia.in/ )

PARAS INDIA was established in 2007 with the aim to transform society by uplifting and dignifying the marginalized sections of the society. With our efforts, we aim to empower the society in line with the tenets enshrined in our Constitution. We are a national level non-governmental organization which is currently working in five states in India, namely, Delhi-NCR, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and Bihar . Our focus areas include education, gender, counselling, awareness generation, livelihood, healthcare and disaster management. It’s our prime endeavour to bring into mainstream those who have been historically and socially sidelined. To make them an active participant in the democratic process and bring dignity to their lives.

Note: Please check our above given notable link, I hope you find it valuable for Wikipedia page creation.

Thanks Infinityvision02 (talk) 07:54, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Infinityvision02, the aims of your organization are of course admirable, but you are demonstrating a profound lack of understanding of this encyclopedia. For one thing, what an organization says about itself is of little or no value for an encyclopedia article about that organization. -- Hoary (talk) 08:49, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Infinityvision02, please also stop copy-pasting news headlines into articles, as you did with Pawan Munjal here. Article text needs to be written in full sentences, not in the form of newspaper headlines. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Noted Infinityvision02 (talk) 09:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Noted your points, but what do you think about credibility for " VisionIAS "Page Creation.

1. Times of India

2. Hindustan Times

3. Jagran Josh

4. Livemint

5. OP India

6. Navbhratimes

7. Indian Express

Note Please check and let me know your opinion

Thanks Infinityvision02 (talk) 09:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

The list of medias from India isn't enough. I would suggest doing the following

1. Carefully review WP:RS, WP:WISC, WP:OR and WP:NOTA to determine whether you should create the article. Articles without reliable inline citations can and will be deleted.

2. Either request an article creation at WP:AR, or

3. Create a draft using the Draft Wizard, read WP:YFA and write the article.

Also, if you have a conflict of interest, read WP:COIE NotAGenious (talk) 10:36, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Please note that The Times of India is usually considered unreliable and not independent, as they accept article submissions for payment. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources for more information. Qcne (talk) 10:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Harnessing the Dragon's Fume

Over the past half-year or so, I've dedicated my efforts to creating a page called "Draft:Harnessing the Dragon's Fume." My concern relates to meeting the requirements of WP:NBOOKS, where we are expected to have at least two separate book reviews from independent sources. Despite gathering three reviews, I received them all from the same reviewer, albeit on three distinct platforms. Now, I'm unsure if this fulfills the guidelines. Can anyone clarify if it does? RPSkokie (talk) 09:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. In my opinion I don't think three reviews from the same reviewer meet the requirement of two separate reviews- which I take to mean the reviews need to be from more than one person. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. RPSkokie (talk) 09:23, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm in agreement with 331dot. You'd certainly be welcome to reference two, or even all three, reviews from the same reviewer, if they make different useful points about the book... but you'd still need to have at least one more from a different reviewer to establish notability. FeRDNYC (talk) 20:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Newbie: Hey and thanks in Advance...

Hiya, I'm @Sungyandy and i'm new here - Greetings from Australia!

Thought I'd drop a little hello, I'd appreciate any feedback on recent drafts i've made as i'm always looking for further ways to continue to improve my content and personally I don't feel like i'm close to publishing my first wiki's just yet...

My main focus is uploading public information on notable people and professions as well as any other factual information I compile through my exploration of studies, books and my own profession.

Thanks again, Yandy@ SungYandy (talk) SungYandy (talk) 13:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia! I see that you have a few drafts in the works right now, but I have to say it's recommended that new editors start with editing existing articles first. This is so you get acquainted with Wikipedia's style, referencing, and so on. I definitely recommend reading through WP:YFA and our various help pages on references - in particular, note that most everything on Wikipedia has to be cited to a reliable secondary source. This means that information you gather yourself in your profession is not appropriate to be added to Wikipedia, true as it may be. WPscatter ^t/_c 13:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

SungYandy In the last few days you have started four drafts. I strongly recommend you set aside three and then work on what you think is the strongest one. Only after getting one approved should you then take what you learned about referencing and formatting to address the others. Otherwise, if you go ahead and submit four flawed drafts, you will be wasting reviewers' time. David notMD (talk) 15:15, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Eye-witness information on an article

Hi everyone,

I was looking at the article 2023 Khar bombing and saw there was a 'Reactions' section. I was reading an article on BBC news which contained a detailed eye-witness account of the bombing and there was one section which described the situation. Would an account like this from an eye-witness be suitable for that section or is it typically reserved for notable people who have reacted to the situation?

Thanks in advance SpicyTofuNoodles (talk) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello SpicyTofuNoodles,

I think you are welcome to add this account to the article, but not in the "Reactions section". By my experience, this section is usually reserved for the views of certain individuals or groups with authority. However, the "Mr Mahir" in the account is just a witness. His views and subsequent actions after the attack wouldn't create a notable impact.

The source itself is considered reliable, since BBC news has published it. I think it will be fine if you cite the source in the body of the article, if you wish to describe the attack in more detail.

I am not a Wikipedia pro, so I hope some other teahouse hosts could chip in on this.

Cheers, --TheLonelyPather (talk) 14:21, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I was thinking that section was reserved for notable people or people with authority. There are other news articles from reputable outlets which have accounts from other witnesses too. I've taken a look at some similar articles and not really seen anything about eye witness accounts. The descriptions of the attacks tend to stay neutral and factual and don't include words like "devastating" etc.

Would be good to get a Wikipedia professional's advice on this as these topics are very sensitive in nature. SpicyTofuNoodles (talk) 14:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

See WP:PRIMARY; this eye witness account is essentially original material that is close to the event, and is written by someone who is directly involved by having witnessed said event. So it offers (only) an insider's view of the event, and I would be very cautious to include it in any article (there might be exceptions of course, viz the Assassination of John F. Kennedy. Lectonar (talk) 15:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@SpicyTofuNoodles The BBC seems to have focused on the "doomsday scenes" aspect of the comments of the eye-witness. This is clearly just an opinion and it seems a phrase that would fail Wikipedia's neutrality policy. Had the witness said something specific like "I saw three male attackers" then that would be more acceptable as article content but still a WP:PRIMARY source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Michael, really appreciate the quick and detailed response! I'll keep note of what you said if I decide to make any edits of that nature in the future. SpicyTofuNoodles (talk) 15:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Mass Add Pages to Watchlist

Is there any way (other than manually with much clicking) to add every linked page on a page to my watchlist? Maximilian775 (talk) 14:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not aware of any way to do that. Curious as to the reason you want to do that? 331dot (talk) 15:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Preferences > Watchlist > Edit Raw Watchlist And as per 331dot above. Why? it sounds a bit WP:OWNy - X201 (talk) 16:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Maximilian775 although not adding it to your watchlist, a useful alternative is to go to the relevant page, click "related changes", then save that as a favourite so you can bring it up with one click. This has the advantage that when you don't want to follow those links any longer you just delete the related changes link, rather than having to manually unlink them all from the watchlist. - Arjayay (talk) 16:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I find Wikipedia a nice diversion from the daily grind, and like keeping abreast of edits to pages within specific domains I'm interested in. I don't think WP:OWN describes any past, current or future behaviors or edits I would engage in -- feel free to look through my history as regards that. Maximilian775 (talk) 16:18, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with that, Maximilian775. I use the "related changes" trick to track vandals who attack certain subject areas. It also works with templates, which has the advantage that, if another page is added to the template, it automatically comes up in the related changes. - Arjayay (talk) 16:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Source check

Hello. I am writing an article about a recent video game, and I need some help to make sure these sources are reliable enough to be included in this article, right over here. Any constructive criticism is welcome. I am hoping this reaches GA status someday.

Here are the sources I've found:
1. https://raritysniper.com/news/goblintown-nft-art-takes-twitch-by-storm-in-only-up/
2. https://dappradar.com/blog/goblintown-viral-game-only-up-nft-trading-impact (this is a blog, which I'm very sure it's unreliable and an SPS)
3. https://guided.news/en/gaming/dayz-only-up-server-with-reward/ (this doesn't contain info about NFTs and their involvement in this game, but it lists an additional adaptation)
4. https://sportslumo.com/esports/only-up-in-fortnite-how-can-you-play-it/ (Fortnite adaptation)
5. https://www.binance.com/en/feed/post/649340
6. https://nftplazas.com/goblintown-nft-collection-twitch/
7. https://fagenwasanni.com/ai/veteran-fps-devs-form-new-studio-to-make-games-inside-fortnite/64370/
Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 19:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula, Thank you for your question. To include these sources, make sure that they are reliable, secondary, and independent sources with no original research. And check if there is no copyright violation in your article as it might less likely be nominated for GA. Read WP:RS ToadetteEdit ^(chat)/_(logs) 20:20, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't think it's very helpful to tell TrademarkedTarantula to "make sure that [these sources] are reliable", ToadetteEdit, when their question is whether they're reliable! Cordless Larry (talk) 20:23, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

none of them are mentioned in the list of sources, but i'm a bit iffy on considering binance reliable for reasons surprisingly unrelated to wikipedia

the rest, i'll check in an hour to be sure, because i haven't heard of them before

dappradar being a blog automatically disqualifies it though cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 20:29, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Blogs can be considered reliable for some claims if the author is a subject-matter expert (I'm not expressing a view on whether that's the case here). See WP:BLOGS. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@ToadetteEdit, I've already checked the article for copyright violations using Earwig's Copyvio Detector, linked here. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 20:56, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I will cross off the sources as we go. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 20:54, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula: Welcome to the Teahouse. I don't frequent there very often, but the regulars over at the reliable sources noticeboard may be better equipped to help you evaluate if those sources are considered reliable enough to be used for the encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

How to bulk edit biographies for people who become alive again?

There are a lot of automated systems in place for updating biographies when a person dies, most articles are updated within a few minutes if not an hour at most. However, I have not noticed similar systems in place for biographies of dead people who then become alive again through various means. I would like to enquire as to any future plans for such automation? Jellocube27 (talk) 21:48, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Is this an attempt to cover up a botched murder attempt? ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:55, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Uh... Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 22:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Is this meant to be a joke? ColinFine (talk) 21:58, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine, I've seen their talk page... see for yourself. They're a troll. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 22:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

content + source check

hello! i am writing an article about a community arts center founded in the 70s. i am hoping to get any constructive criticism and feedback on the article before i submit it for official review. please find the page here. Tempe Stewart WGSArts 22:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)