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:{{ping|Liz}} Sources were already analyzed. None of them fulfills the requirement of [[WP:GNG]]. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' <sup>(''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'')</sup> 05:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|Liz}} Sources were already analyzed. None of them fulfills the requirement of [[WP:GNG]]. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' <sup>(''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'')</sup> 05:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
:: where have you analysed the source? Show. The Meets [[WP:SIGCOV]] of [[WP:GNG]], and besides when SNG is met, GNG is not needed, and according to [[WP:SNG]] of [[WP:NB]], it meets the criteria 1, as this book {{tq|''"has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book."''}}, criteria 3, as this book {{tq|''"has been considered by reliable sources to have made a significant contribution to a notable or significant motion picture, or other art form, or event or political or religious movement."''}}, criteria 4, as the book {{tq|''"is, or has been, the subject of instruction at two or more schools, colleges, universities or post-graduate programs in any particular country."''}}. [[Special:Contributions/43.245.120.228|43.245.120.228]] ([[User talk:43.245.120.228|talk]]) 10:25, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
:: where have you given or discussed the detailed analysis of the sources pointing them specifically? Show. The Meets [[WP:SIGCOV]] of [[WP:GNG]], and besides when SNG is met, GNG is not needed, and according to [[WP:SNG]] of [[WP:NB]], it meets the criteria 1, as this book {{tq|''"has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book."''}}, criteria 3, as this book {{tq|''"has been considered by reliable sources to have made a significant contribution to a notable or significant motion picture, or other art form, or event or political or religious movement."''}}, criteria 4, as the book {{tq|''"is, or has been, the subject of instruction at two or more schools, colleges, universities or post-graduate programs in any particular country."''}}. [[Special:Contributions/43.245.120.228|43.245.120.228]] ([[User talk:43.245.120.228|talk]]) 10:25, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
*'''Note''': I forgot to mention above. This book was translated into English as '''Muhammad in the Hindu Scriptures'''. Some sources may have English translation names other than the name of the article. For example, thesis of two PhD fellows of [[Universiti Sains Islam Malaysia]], published in International Journal of Academic Research in Business and Social Sciences.<ref>IJ-ARBASS 2017, Vol. 7, Special Issue – Islam and Contemporary Issues) {{ISSN|2222-6990}}</ref>‍~ [[User:খাত্তাব হাসান|<nowiki>𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒</nowiki>]] <sup>([[User talk:খাত্তাব হাসান|inbox]] - [[Special:Contribs/খাত্তাব হাসান|contribs]])</sup> 08:25, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
*'''Note''': I forgot to mention above. This book was translated into English as '''Muhammad in the Hindu Scriptures'''. Some sources may have English translation names other than the name of the article. For example, thesis of two PhD fellows of [[Universiti Sains Islam Malaysia]], published in International Journal of Academic Research in Business and Social Sciences.<ref>IJ-ARBASS 2017, Vol. 7, Special Issue – Islam and Contemporary Issues) {{ISSN|2222-6990}}</ref>‍~ [[User:খাত্তাব হাসান|<nowiki>𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒</nowiki>]] <sup>([[User talk:খাত্তাব হাসান|inbox]] - [[Special:Contribs/খাত্তাব হাসান|contribs]])</sup> 08:25, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

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Repeated recreation despite many discussions closing with delete.

The subject still fails WP:NBOOK. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 02:32, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the sources? There are none. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 18:35, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aman.kumar.goel: I am not happy to see that you proposed for deletion without reading the article. Sources are added to the article itself. You can watch this video for Zakir Naik's topic. Although many have criticized him, but you can see this blog of Asif Mohiuddin, if you know Bengali language. ‍~ 𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒 (inbox - contribs) 05:12, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously the subject fails WP:GNG because it is lacking significant coverage in reliable sources. There are a number of subjects (such as YouTube channels) that have gained popularity in local spheres but they haven't recieved significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the subject. CharlesWain (talk) 08:36, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@CharlesWain I don't understand which GNG you read. If a book creates a new argument that is fundamentally used in a religious debate on that topic for the next 50+ years; How is that book not notable?
And the references here include Milli Gadget articles, books by Ziaur Rahman Azmi, Afrasiab Mehdi Hashmi and two other professors. I don't understand, are you considering these as YouTube channels or have you not seen the references at all? ‍~ 𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒 (inbox - contribs) 15:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your sources are only making a passing mention or they are discussing a broader subject. Read WP:GNG properly. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 02:05, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Aman.kumar.goel Ziaur Rahman Azmi wrote the book about the similarities and differences between the religions of India (Hind). There he criticized the book for 5 pages. is this just a passing mantion? Another thing I found about this book today is that, this book was translated in bengali by the former Paschimbanga Bangla Akademi president Asitkumar Bandyopadhyay.[4]
Another complementary point to the book's notabilty is its misinterpreted (alleged by many Hindu pandit and I read a book by ISKCON Bangladesh about this) in Hindu scriptures. Doesn't that prove the notability? (Off topic: Dada, please mention me while answering. I'm actually not very active on English Wikipedia.) ‍~ 𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒 (inbox - contribs) 17:11, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Muhammad in Hindu scriptures". Milli Gazette. Archived from the original on 2019-01-07. Retrieved 2014-11-06.
  2. ^ الرحمن, أعظمى، محمد ضياء (2008). دراسات في اليهودية والمسيحية وأديان الهند والبشارات في كتب الهندوس (in Arabic). مكتبة الرشد،. pp. 703–708.
  3. ^ Malik, Dr Ahmad; Mehdi Hashmi Qureshi, Afrasiab (1 January 2022). END TIMES (What could happen in the world tomorrow). (Center for Global and Strategic Studies, Islamabad). pp. 13, 274, 275. ISBN 9789699837142. Retrieved 1 September 2022.
  4. ^ Basu, Anjali (Jan 2019). Samsad Bangali Charitabidhan (in Bengali) (Second ed.). Kolkata: Sahitya Samsad. pp. 48–50. ISBN 978-81-7955-292-6.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: year (link)
Still fails WP:SIGCOV. Dympies (talk) 14:26, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A source analysis table would be very helpful at this point in the discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:55, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Question - I would like to ask a question out of respect for those who are asking for deletion: When a book appears as the main subject of two notable religious debates, notable religious figures review and criticize or in some cases praise the book in their respective books or in the media; So why is the book not notable? Because the reviewer's book is in Arabic, Sanskrit or some such language? or anything else? Although I don't normally participate in AFD. But a few days ago, besides participating in the AFD of Ulipur.com, I also participated in this AFD. So maybe, I'm not understanding the point correctly. ‍~ 𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒 (inbox - contribs) 06:02, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aman.kumar.goel, please don't forget the steps listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors. Thanks,

--A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 03:42, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@A. B.: There is no such requirement. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 00:37, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're right -- it is not technically a requirement but it is recommended and requested by the AfD procedure. It's unusual that a nominator doesn't do this. It's highly unusual when they refuse to do it. This leaves others wondering what's up with the nominator.
--A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 00:53, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then it is your own issue that you are not assuming good faith. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 02:02, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, there is a lot of established reliable source here including Afrasiab Mehdi Hashmi, former Pakistani High comissioner, Zakir Naik, Ali Gomaa, Ali Unal, Ziaur Rahman Azmi, Asitkumar Bandhopaddhay Abubakar Muhammad Zakaria etc. and most of the sources discuss the matter in detail, including the published journal articles given in the article from Middle East, Pakistan, Iran and Indonesia from their renowned national leading universities, also there are references from lots of established news articles and international books, so it clearly passes WP:RS, WP:NB and GNG. But in all the article, there should be also added hindu point of views more to make the article more balanced, because the book and the topic is also very familiar in Hindu communities when it comes to the hindu muslim dialogue, and most of the Hindus gives different explanations of these discussions, their referencial point of views should be also added.  Masum Ibn Musa  Conversation 10:02, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:SPAM, blatantly promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UrielAcosta (talkcontribs)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still hoping for a source analysis.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:47, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: Sources were already analyzed. None of them fulfills the requirement of WP:GNG. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 05:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
where have you given or discussed the detailed analysis of the sources pointing them specifically? Show. The Meets WP:SIGCOV of WP:GNG, and besides when SNG is met, GNG is not needed, and according to WP:SNG of WP:NB, it meets the criteria 1, as this book "has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.", criteria 3, as this book "has been considered by reliable sources to have made a significant contribution to a notable or significant motion picture, or other art form, or event or political or religious movement.", criteria 4, as the book "is, or has been, the subject of instruction at two or more schools, colleges, universities or post-graduate programs in any particular country.". 43.245.120.228 (talk) 10:25, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ IJ-ARBASS 2017, Vol. 7, Special Issue – Islam and Contemporary Issues) ISSN 2222-6990