Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 August 14

14 August 2023

Ben Leeds Carson

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In deletion discussion, an admin stated that the article "was sourced almost entirely to student newspapers and other unreliable sources." That is incorrect. The article was sourced almost entirely to reliable sources not mentioned in the deletion discussion: Public Radio International (cited to PRX b/c archived), Empirical Musicology Review, Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, a flagship / peer-reviewed Oxford University Press book on experimental music concepts, a local public/professional newspaper in Santa Cruz (Good Times), and The Open Space Magazine, which is a leading high-circulation publication on experimental music. The sources in the article included *no* student newspapers, and the information sourced to UCSC Newsday (not a student newspaper) were not crucial to the article.

This was my first article, and I'm still learning! I propose creating a shorter Ben Leeds Carson article using mainly the sources above, and perhaps *without* the PRI source, because (I acknowledge) PRI's "The World" was not discussing Carson's field in that article, and Carson is not important enough for extensive biographical detail.

The admins also disliked my citation of the LA Times, correctly pointing out that only one sentence in the article was about Carson. But many highly important experimental composers (Karlton Hester, Franklin Cox, Richard Barrett, John Rahn, Hans Thomalla), never receive attention from such a high-profile writer (Mark Swed is one of the nation's most respected music critics, and a Pulitzer nominee), and have far *less* attention from *peer-reviewed* high-distribution sources like The Open Space Magazine (Open Space published *four detailed essays* about Carson, with responses from Carson, in its fifth issue). I argue the standard of high-profile sources in an experimental genre like Carson's should not require major discussion in mainstream newspapers. Carson, like the others mentioned above are notable because they are repeatedly subjects of discussion in more specialized respected sources (especially high-level peer-reviewed sources).

I will let this go if I'm way off base here, but I'm initiating this review partly because I'd also like to create other pages on experimental composers, and I consider myself an objective and expert source in this field. If my other interests: e.g. James Brandon Lewis, Robin Hayward are also considered unworthy, I hope I can learn why before setting out to write! Nadibautista (talk) 17:53, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

• Comment First, the person who stated that the sources were student newspapers was an editor, not an admin (not that this would have made a difference). Secondly, there were three editors arguing for Deletion and no one who participated in the discussion was advocating Keeping the article so I don't see any other possible closure. There were other approaches you could have chosen to restart this article, like coming to talk to the closer (me), but you chose a Deletion review so this discussion must proceed for the next week. If you were not aware, a deletion reivew examines my closure of the discussion, not the merits of the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:09, 14 August 2023 (UTC)