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== Enough edit-warring ==

This is unacceptable. As I just saw it now, I won't hand out blocks yet, but further reverts by the same users will result in blocks being handed out. [[User:Enigmaman|'''<span style="color:blue;">Enigma</span>''']][[User talk:Enigmaman|''<sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg</sup>'']] 03:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


== Bernie Machen's 2009 US News Ranking ==
== Bernie Machen's 2009 US News Ranking ==

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Former good article nomineeUniversity of Florida was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Bernie Machen's 2009 US News Ranking

I tend to agree. At a minimum, the wording should be condensed immensely to one line at the most. This kind of gamesmanship with the USN&WR rankings isn't new or particularly notable. In fact, it's one of the main reasons why higher education scholars condemn the rankings and strongly discourage their use. ElKevbo (talk) 03:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have rewritten the controversial passage to include only the facts, removing incendiary words such as "scandal" and "used," and deleting the St. Petersburg Times editorial reference—editorials by definition are not reliable sources, but an expression of opinion. I believe the rewritten passage complies with both WP:WEIGHT and WP:NPOV. Frankly, I think the rewritten passage still gives far more attention to the subject than it objectively deserves, but I'll let it go at that . . . .
I would be grateful if someone would discuss with our new young "editor" that the deletion of properly sourced statements because he disagrees with them (in his opinion), the inclusion of gratuitous and non-pertinent references to the athletic accomplishments of other universities, and the insertion of blog-sourced humorous references to "jorts" (see diff [[1]], do not necessarily constitute an exercise of "free speech" or even good Wikipedia editing. Frankly, it is clear anyone who objectively assesses the "editor's" intent, as evidenced by his original edit, that it was to vandalize the article in accordance with his own biases and attempts at humor. I do not believe it deserves much of an assumption of Wikipedia "good faith" in this light.
Moreover, someone should also explain to the young "editor" who "Jccort" was and is—the originator of both the FSU and UF Wikiprojects. I have seen no evidence of pro-UF/anti-FSU bias in Jccort's work, only an objective attempt to paint both institutions in their respective "best lights." It is regrettable that our young editor feels the need to exercise his anti-UF bias in any way possible, rather than finding something constructive to do on Wiklipedia. Well, that's my "opinion," for what it's worth. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contribution to Florida's domestic product

An editor added text that suggested that UF indirectly generated so many jobs and so much domestic product to Florida's economy. These are the types of figures that aficionados like to promulgate. C-of-c stuff. Great in print or in a speech. If you total them all up, they amount to a lot more jobs and a lot more product than a given area has or can contain.

One problem here is the state is subsidizing 60% or more of the tuition. So if I tax 10 million people $100 each = $1 billion. Then I hand it back to them through an institution, how much have I "contributed" to the economy? It just doesn't make sense in aggregate. Smoke and mirrors. Similarly for taking their tuition and handing it back to the parents through an institution. "Filtering" money is not necessarily helpful. One might argue that it is economically inefficient since it slows it down. This is a zero sum game without manufacturing or credit (banking). Student7 (talk) 13:04, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's not as cut and dry as you're saying. The article discusses how they came up with those numbers, and it includes things like research, health care, and visitors to the university (sports, museums, performing arts), as well as the spin-off companies making various widgets. These are things that wouldn't be produced if the university didn't exist as it does, regardless of how else the tax money might be spent. I reworded the sentence to be closer to the source.--Cúchullain t/c 14:46, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is not smoke and mirrors - the report was commissioned by the Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences. Please keep in mind that IFAS is primarily funded by the United States Government and the State of Florida. Jccort (talk) 01:31, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Merger proposal

I propose that Gator Wrap Ring be merged into University of Florida. I think that the content in the Gator Wrap Ring article can easily be explained in the context of University of Florida, and the University of Florida article is of a reasonable size in which the merging of Gator Wrap Ring will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. The Gator Wrap Ring is a small article, especially when one removes info that already appears in the U of Fl article. Dave [[WP:NPP|You can help!]] (talk) 02:17, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Admissions rates

For some reason comparing and contrasting schools' admissions rates has become something of a pissing contest, and it's even sillier than most forms of boosterism. The real significance of the admissions rate statistic is internal to the institution; it has very little to do with what's going on at other schools. For example, ten years ago the University of North Florida had nearly open admissions. Since then its admissions rate has dropped precipitously; in 2007-2008 it was under 64% and last year it dropped to under 50%. The reason? The school hit its enrollment cap. Staying the size it wanted meant accepting fewer applicants; accepting fewer applicants meant accepting the applicants with the highest grades and test scores.
Additionally, admissions rates are affected by the number of applicants, which in turn is affected by college recruitment. There are also different ways of calculating the number (freshman applicants vs. total applicants, etc.) Bottom line, comparing admissions rates between (sometimes very different) schools is unnecessary boostersism at best and misleading twaddle at worst.Cúchullain t/c 15:30, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's also the issue of scholarships to top applicants and college recruiting, both of which affect admissions rates. Also, the effect of external factors such as budget cuts and tuition raises, which may lower the total number of applicants, thereby raising the admissions rate even if the admissions standards aren't lowered. Grumble grumble.--Cúchullain t/c 13:54, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notable alums

In the section on notable alums I notice where Joe Kittinger, former command pilot and record holder for longest, fastest and highest skydive, is not on here. I'm not a contributor,but thought someone who was may want to look at this and add him. He's a pretty big deal and to boot, he was born in Tampa and attended Jacksonville Bolles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.51.148.195 (talk) 19:22, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Top x00 Schools Worldwide

I noticed that the "top 100 universities worldwide" claim had no reference so I looked for one. Could only find evidence that University of Florida is consistently in top 250 (actually top 226). I elected to remove the claim completely and let somebody with a reference put in the correct number. This is the reference I found: 

*  QS World University Rankings website's U of Fl page -- QS World University Rankings

Dave (djkernen)|Talk to me|Please help! 14:32, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dave, the most widely recognized world-wide ranking system for universities is the Academic Ranking of World Universities. This was footnoted in the body text of the University of Florida article, but not in its lede section. I have corrected that. FYI, QS has been widely criticized and its methodology discredited over the last several years, even to the point where The Times (London) dropped QS as the source for its Times Higher Education (THE) rankings. Wikipdia editors who are far more knowledgeable than I am deleted most of the QS rankings from university articles when QS was dropped by THE. Subsequently, Wikipedia has been repeatedly besieged by single-purpose account (SPA) editors who have attempted to reinsert the QS rankings into articles about major universities. These were mostly deleted, again, last year when an SPA editor, apparently affiliated with QS, was adding them to every university article, along with various puffery statements about QS. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:55, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Dirtylawyer, thank you for putting in the correct number with a reference. (That was all I was asking for; I do not have another agenda.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djkernen (talk • contribs) 17:13, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notable alumni

Surely it's worth mentioning that the journalist Dexter Filkins got his BA at UF?

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The Description of Public Ivy In The Wiki Article

As noted in the wiki entry of public_ivy, the term originated with a 1950's publication by Moll regarding 8 colleges. In 2001, Greene et al co-opted the term, and expanded it to nearly 30 colleges. The distinction between the first usage of the term, by Moll, and the second, by Greene, are differing in definition and prestige. While the public ivy reference is footnoted to Greene, I believe the difference should be noted in the wiki article as to not mislead the public regarding the prestige of the title in its original usage. In other words, UF wasn't one of the true public ivies as listed by moll, but as a public ivy listed by Greene. The editor who keeps reverting is a UF alum, and thus has a bias to keep it as is. I'm requesting another wiki editor please examine the matter.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.186.77 (talk • contribs)

I've cleaned up the wording and moved the discussion into the article body. The fuller discussion belongs there rather than the lead, though it doesn't need any more than a brief sentence indicating that UF is on the Greenes' list of the Public Ivies. At any rate, I can assure you that almost no one cares one way or the other about these lists besides current and former students.Cúchullain t/c 20:54, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

I propose merging (some of) the content of Lombardi Scholars Program and Reitz Scholars Program into this article. The two subjects simply aren't notable enough to warrant their own articles. ElKevbo (talk) 04:58, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Having heard no objection in the past nine months, I have merged the two articles into this one. ElKevbo (talk) 02:31, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bias towards other ranking systems

Why delete other rankings systems such as Forbes, QS, and Times when it is properly sourced and referenced with. Why delete the rankings, just because UFl ranked low? That is just not an excuse. Other university page also has a complete ranking system than includes all ranking systems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juicy fruit146 (talk • contribs) 01:18, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Protection request

Robert (talk) 04:48, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. If you're requesting that the article be semi-protected again, the place to do that is WP:RPP. There have been no recent edits the article, however, so such a request would likely be declined. Rivertorch (talk) 09:08, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Athletics section problems

The athletics section of the main University of Florida article is intended to be a BRIEF overview of the Florida Gators sports program, with a BRIEF summary of the two major spectator sports, football and men's basketball. Links are provided to the main "Florida Gators" article, as well as ALL of the articles for the other individual Florida Gators sports teams. The athletics section of the main University of Florida article is not supposed to duplicate either the main Florida Gators article or the articles for the individual Florida Gators sports teams. The football and men's basketball subsections are intended ONLY to provide a BRIEF summary of those teams national championship histories, and not to recall every memorable moment of those teams. I have also removed entirely the recently added subsection for the swimming and diving team, which was apparently added by an editor who was enamored with Ryan Lochte. Prominent Gators swimmers and other athletes who were gold medalists are already linked in the Olympics subsection of this article. Anyone who wants to add more about other Florida Gators teams are encourage to add to and improve the team articles, as well as those articles for Florida Gators coaches and athletes. 18:08, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree with these changes, nice work. Definitely much better now that those sections are more concise and direct to the main articles. GoGatorMeds (talk) 20:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2015 ZBT-wounded veterans controversy

Wikipedia is not the news per WP:NOTNEWS, and a drunken fraternity scandal does not merit 2,000+ bytes of meaningless detail about the fraternity boys' embarrassing behavior in a 100,000-byte article about a major state university. This kind of drunken nonsense happens all the time; these idiots made the nightly news for several days in the immediate aftermath. Per WP:EVENT, there will be little or no continuing coverage of this event, and no major news outlets will still be discussing this in two weeks, except for a one-paragraph follow-up on page 20, noting that the fraternity's charter has been suspended for two to three years. My Google News search already shows no major coverage since Friday, April 24: [2].

If you want to argue for a brief, two or three-sentence paragraph describing the incident per WP:WEIGHT, written in a non-sensationalist fashion per WP:NPOV, we can certainly talk about that. If you want more details inserted into the main University of Florida article, then I suggest you start a stand-alone article (e.g., "University of Florida Zeta Beta Tau–wounded veterans scandal"), and see if it survives WP:AfD. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:10, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I would consider not using the Florida non-free Gators logo (File:Florida Gators logo.svg) in this article because doing it here is problematic in terms of WP:NFCC#3 (minimal use across the encyclopedia; the logo is already used in articles relevant to Florida Gators including Florida Gators; see: Wikipedia:NFC#Number of items) and WP:NFCC#8 (contextual significance; it's not used to identify the subject of this article, University of Florida, but a related topic; see specifically: Wikipedia:Logos#Placement). Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 22:52, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Finnusertop and Corkythehornetfan: I agree. Several years ago, I was one of the editors who negotiated the present compromise regarding the use of the copyrighted and trademarked Gator head logo of the Florida Gators sports program, which is used as the primary mark of the University of Florida sports programs and all 21 Florida Gators intercollegiate sports teams. It is not a primary mark of the University of Florida, which has a separate family of wordmarks that are used by the university and its various constituent academic colleges and schools. For our part, we have done our best to preserve that compromise by removing the Gator head logo from all articles other than the Florida Gators athletic program article and the 16 primary team articles (e.g., Florida Gators football, Florida Gators women's soccer, Florida Gators softball, etc.), whenever users have inserted it elsewhere. Over the past several years, we have repeatedly removed the non-free logo from the dozens of season articles, rivalry articles, game articles, etc., in order to limit the use of the Gator head logo to the program and primary team articles. Given that the sports program is a secondary topic within the University of Florida main article, and that the Florida Gators sports program and the teams are covered in depth in stand-alone articles where the non-free logo is used, it would seem appropriate to remove the non-free logo from the main University of Florida article and continue to restrict its use as described above. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:40, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Sorry I have not responded. I agree with ya both. Corkythehornetfan 19:39, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's my understanding of the current consensus regarding the use of logos in articles that aren't directly about the subject represented by the logo when that subject has an article. ElKevbo (talk) 01:02, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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UF is not Florida's flagship university

I removed a reference where UF was declared a "flagship" university. The cite was a page from a PowerPoint discussion presented to the Florida Board of Governors, which is not authoritative on this issue in Florida. This was a hotly disputed issue in the Florida Legislature for years. The matter was finally resolved in 2013 with the passage of the "Preeminent" university law, which uses objective criteria to award more money and the right to use the title "preeminent university". Two universities originally qualified in 2013 and in each subsequent year - UF and FSU. For more history, please refer to the Florida statute: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=1000-1099/1001/Sections/1001.7065.html

and some recent media coverage on the issue:

http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/03/how-the-education-train-impacts-colleges-universities-032912

http://www.usforacle.com/news/view.php/686980/Governor-signs-bill-to-grant-UF-FSU-pree

http://news.usf.edu/article/templates/?a=7402&z=224

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/education/os-ucf-emerging-preeminent-20160419-story.html

I would suggest the title be awarded in a Florida-appropriate way, which is authorized and supported under Florida law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.156.212.208 (talk) 04:36, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The pictures on the mobile Wikipedia are not correctly placed. Pgomez2129 (talk) 15:11, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mixing informal "flagship" designation with formal membership in SUS

An unregistered editor is edit warring to change the infobox of this article where it mentions that this institution is part of the State university system so that it instead says that UF is a "State flagship university." That's problematic because that's just a phrase made up by this unregistered editor. It may be worth discussing whether this article should note that some commentators and scholars have included UF in lists of flagship universities but that addition shouldn't be made at the expense of confusing other information or by making up a new phrase.

This editor has also promised to continue edit warring over this issue so I'm going to request that this article be semi-protected. ElKevbo (talk) 17:35, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the infobox is not the correct place for that information, which requires a little more explanation anyway. Incidentally, after seeing that edit summary, I'm thinking that a block may be warranted. Zeng8r (talk) 20:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect undergraduate population?

The article says there are 39,565 undergraduates at UF (fall 2017 cohort data). However, this source https://ir.aa.ufl.edu/uffacts/enrollment-1/ says the correct count is 36,436. Is there something I'm missing? WikiWikiQuestions (talk) 13:22, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Uf" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Uf. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Regards, SONIC678 04:52, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"University of Florida Bandshell" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect University of Florida Bandshell. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 1#University of Florida Bandshell until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 15:54, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blockchain Lab

University of Florida and Algorand are working together to create a Blockchain lab for research. This might good to add to the article. https://arts.ufl.edu/in-the-loop/news/university-of-florida-partners-with-algorand-foundation-to-establish-blockchain-lab/ TomReadsALot (talk) 17:05, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We generally don't include information simply because it was in the news; let's wait to see if this collaboration results in anything substantive. ElKevbo (talk) 11:54, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The section labeled "Academics"

Why is "tuition" mentioned at the top of the "Academics" section? Why is it in the "Academics" section at all? Tuition, while tangentially related to academics in that it refers to the cost of the student's academic instruction, is ultimately just another cost. It is a financial matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.196.121.237 (talk) 05:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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