Talk:2b2t

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2b2t

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Result: Kept. Clear consensus that concerns have been addressed. czar 08:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

There is the "context" template at the top of the article, saying that it provides insufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject. So, I believe that the article now fails the GA criteria. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 15:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

• Also, the reviewer, No Great Shaker, was blocked. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 16:05, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment. It appears NGS performed a good-faith and normal review. His block was not due to incompetence but rather sockpuppetry, which is unlikely to impact the quality of a GAN review he did. So I'm not convinced that this particular complaint is a problem. SnowFire (talk) 23:29, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
• I think sufficient context is provided, and some edits have been made to the lede since then. I think the maintenance template can be removed. "2b2t is a Minecraft server" is as simple as it gets, with the link to Minecraft server. If someone doesn't know what Minecraft is, or what a multiplayer game server is, they can and should simply click the links. Specific terms like "griefing" and "hacking" now have explanations in footnotes or parentheticals. @Trivialist: Are there further concerns about insufficient context? Leijurv (talk) 00:22, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
• Comment - Gave the article a skim, and maybe my two cents isn't worth much, but I honestly probably wouldn't pass a GAN that uses so much direct quotation. It's kind of jarring to read; is there any reason these couldn't be paraphrased in prose, especially the two quote blocks down in Reception? ~Bluecrystal004 ^{(talk · contribs)} 01:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
• Keep - Going off of @Bluecrystal004's comment, I would say that the main "issue" with the article is the block quotes, which could probably be broken up or paraphrased for a smoother reading. Otherwise, after skimming through the article, I think it does a pretty good job at explaining such a niche corner of gaming culture. Johnson524 (Talk!) 03:24, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Keep per Johnson524. SMBMovieFan (talk) 01:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

This user was blocked as a sockpuppet. See WP:STRIKESOCK. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 01:08, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

So? The user was on Wikipedia for 8 years according to his profile before he got blocked, just because the user got blocked, doesn't mean the article is bad. TomMasterReal^TALK 00:27, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@TomMasterReal I think you may be confused. SMBMovieFan has been blocked a sock of TzarN64. Pizzaplayer has struck SMBMovieFan's comment, because as a sockpuppet of a blocked user, SMB has no right to contribute to any community discussion. Pizzaplayer is not making any comment on the quality of the article. TzarN64 only started contributing in 2022, so I'm not sure where you get the impression that they were an 8-year contributor prior to being blocked for socking. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:48, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

That's my fault, I thought you guys were talking about the person who got the article to be a GA. The guy who got 2b2t to be a GA was on Wikipedia for 8 years before he got blocked. Sorry about that. TomMasterReal^TALK 17:22, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Not to be super pedantic, but No Great Shaker was just the reviewer. Leijurv is the one who did the work to get the article to GA, and they're still around and in good standing. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 17:30, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment, but I must defer to Melofors who did way more work than me on improving 2b2t to GA. :) Leijurv (talk) 22:52, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

• Keep. Wandering in here as I'm toddling through the old community GARs. I rewrote the lead a bit, mostly reordering things a bit and incorporating the content that was in the efns into the prose. I intend to start paraphrasing the block quotes into prose next. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:10, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

  Right - blockquotes have now been integrated and/or removed. The earlier two were easier to integrate, while the latter two were removed almost wholesale as they added little to the article that a paraphrase could not. I'm now satisfied that it should be kept as a GA (although I don't love the logo section, especially as it has CN tag). ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:35, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

  I've decided to boldly removed the logo section. It was not present when the article passed GA and was only added in December last year. Steelkamp (talk) 16:38, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

• Keep. Original nominator's concerns have been addressed adequately by Leijurv. The problem with excessive use of quotes has been fixed. The uncited logo section has been removed. There are no other apparent problems with the article. Steelkamp (talk) 16:41, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

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Reset date

Due to the findings of the group of mappers who made the 256k^2 mapping project (a respected group of players I might add)(https://www.reddit.com/r/2b2t/comments/t287n9/1170gb_of_2b2t_256000%C2%B2_mapping_project_info/hykeupy), it was found out that the map has actually been reset once, sometime in early 2011 (earliest possible date is February 9). This earliest version was on CraftBukkit Beta 1.2. The belief that the current world was created in December 2010 is thus erroneous and, through lack of correct knowledge (and properly also to flaunt the server’s age even more), has been spread around as the truth. Now I know I can’t cite this Reddit post, but there must be someway to get more information on how this knowledge was achieved and put it in the article in a verifiable way. Nervelita (talk) 10:08, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Unless a reliable source publishes that information, we can't use it. We have to go with what reliable sources print, and a Reddit post, no matter how respected the OP is, isn't that. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:19, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm familiar with the 128k^2 and the 256k^2 projects - I'm in their Discord and wrote the Baritone plugin that filled the gaps in the 128k^2 download. I completely agree that the current 2b2t map must have been reset in Feb 2011 or later, and the start date of Dec 2010 for the current map is untrue. Sadly, WP:VNT. There is no reliable source that claims this yet, so, we can't say it in the article. Leijurv (talk) 23:26, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

I see, Thanks for responding. Nervelita (talk) 02:42, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

More background

Reading the GAR, I think it would be helpful to have a Background section to briefly introduce what Minecraft and a Minecraft server are, and any other context on Minecraft culture that would be useful for a general audience to understand how this subject works. czar 08:53, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

I've added a sentence and changed the lead sentence in an attempt to add some background information. Steelkamp (talk) 07:10, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

The new sentence is good, I'm not sure about the change to the lead (WP:BRD). I think that "server for the game Minecraft" and "Minecraft server" are essentially equivalent in information conveyed, whereas the latter makes more sense I think. A new sentence in Background is great, but I don't know how to make the lede first sentence better. "Minecraft game server" (linked) perhaps? I think it's good as is, to be honest. Leijurv (talk) 23:41, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

The issue with the first sentence is that it does not say what Minecraft even is. Nowhere in the lead does it mention that Minecraft is a video game. Steelkamp (talk) 01:59, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't think that is strictly needed - that's more than one level of abstraction away from this article. 2b2t is a Minecraft server, a Minecraft server is a game server for the video game Minecraft, Minecraft is a video game, etc. See Talk:2b2t/Archive_1#Phrasing_of_"anarchy", quoted I think that per WP:ONEDOWN we should consider the audience that will be reading this article as people who are familiar with, well, one level down: they are familiar with the concept of Minecraft, or game servers in general, and they're reading about this specific one. Someone who doesn't know what a video game is, what Minecraft is, or what a Minecraft server is, will have a hard time understanding this article, so (roughly approximately speaking) per WP:ONEDOWN it's fine to just link Minecraft server and let them click it if they don't know what it is. Leijurv (talk) 19:26, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

New version

Minecraft server 2b2t is updated to Minecraft Java Edition 1.16.?? Донбасс редактор (talk) 06:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Remove anarchy classification

With 2b2t's recent 1.19 version update, several changes have been made to the server that I believe disqualifies it as an anarchy server, including but not limited to a "soft economy reset" (several key items used in the server removed or reduced), removal of duplication, and several anticheat updates. An anarchy server is defined as a server without rules, and I personally think these changes disqualify it from that status. Iamstillqw3rty (talk) 04:51, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah. This is a big deal and definitely needs to be in the article. We can't add it until there is a WP:RS. To some extent, we can perhaps cite the 2b2t.org website with WP:SELFSOURCE, but I'm hesitant and unsure about matching some of the conditions of WP:SELFSOURCE, let alone all of them, for such a large change. 2b2t is an anarchy server (no rules, no resets)... or it was. That's a huge change and I really wish a real WP:RS would write about it. Let's give it some time to see if that happens. If no actual news site writes about it, then we'll have another discussion I guess. Leijurv (talk) 05:08, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. this should be changed. WikipediaNeko (talk) 05:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Going to change description though, as it says "no rules", and this is obviously not true. WikipediaNeko (talk) 05:56, 18 August 2023 (UTC)