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*{{User|Thequebecborder}} I have a genuine interest in helping out with projects, if there's a discord or somewhere where everyone here talks and correlates with each other, definitely let me know or add me with my user on my user page. |
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*{{User|Diepizza}}Hi everybody! I'm an avid curler and I look forward to helping out with some different articles! |
*{{User|Diepizza}}Hi everybody! I'm an avid curler and I look forward to helping out with some different articles! |
Revision as of 21:38, 24 August 2023
This is a WikiProject, an area for focused collaboration among Wikipedians. New participants are welcome; please feel free to participate!
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Some Wikipedians have formed a project to better organize information in articles related to curling. This page and its subpages contain their suggestions; it is hoped that this project will aim to help and focus the efforts of other Wikipedians.
Participants
This is a list of members included in the Project. When you join, don't forget to consider joining the project's facebook page where we can discuss project activities with the outside world.
Templates
Userbox
You may place {{User WP Curling}}
on your user page to display the following userbox:
This user participates in WikiProject Curling. |
This template will add your user page to:
Invitation
An important part of having an active and effective WikiProject is bringing in new participating editors. To this end, a template has been created to be added to a user's talk page in order to make them aware of our WikiProject and invite them to participate. Please, do not use this indiscriminately but only for users that are not currently participants, have not been previously invited, and that you genuinely think will be interested because of their edits or user page.
To use, enter {{subst:WikiProject Curling Invitation|~~~~}} to their user talk page. This will create a message that looks like the following(except with their username at the beginning and your username at the end):
Hello, WikiProject Curling, from your recent edits it appears you may have an interest in curling. If you would like, you are invited to join WikiProject Curling! We are dedicated to improving and expanding curling-related articles on Wikipedia. If you are interested in helping, you can add your name to the list of participants, browse the to-do list, or weigh in on current discussions. We hope you will join us! |
Welcome & invitation to an anonymous editor
If you notice an IP editor who has been making constructive edits to curling-related articles, you can use {{WikiProject Curling Welcome-anon}} to welcome them to Wikipedia, encourage them to create an account and continue editing, and invite them to WikiProject Curling all at once!
The full syntax is {{subst:WikiProject Curling Welcome-anon|YourUsername|~~~~|art=ArticleName}}
, see the documenation page for details on the parameters.
Active
Please sign your name here if you'd like to participate.
Note: Please use the {{User|YOURNAME}}
template when adding your name.
- A202985 (talk · contribs)
- Алексей Густов (talk · contribs) (Alexey Gustow) - Hi from Russia! I'm novice fun of this incredible "chess on ice" (year only; because Russian curling team plays better and better... and when I watched STOH 2015 online year ago - I seen RACHEL HOMAN! Wow!!!!) - so now I'm "chief" in Ru-Wiki Project "Curling" (it was "near zero level" just 5 monthes ago - but now it expandes fast: me and 2-3 guys translates articles from Eng to Ru - for example, last few weeks I'm translating articles about famous Canadian women curlers & STOH's, - writes about Ru-Curling events & persons and so on). Excuse me for "not the best English" - but I'm trying! :) Any help needed? You are welcome of course! More info about me on Eng? Look at my User page in Eng-Wiki. And..... Haaaard!!! :)
- Allthegoldmedals (talk · contribs)—I focus mainly on improving the quality of our content.
- CurlingInCanada (talk · contribs)
- Dyork (talk · contribs) - Love curling and have been involved with clubs in Vermont, Massachusetts, Quebec, and (many years ago) Ottawa.
- EAderhold (talk · contribs) Focusing on American curlers, particularly filling in gaps in mixed doubles-related articles at the moment.
- Earl Andrew (talk · contribs)
- Edwyth (talk · contribs)
- Garth of the Forest (talk · contribs) I have curled for over forty years, since I was about 12, semi-competitive in my late teens and younger adult years; I can help with history and culture of the game from the perspective of a still active participant in Canada. Just the facts, please, ma'am.
- Hevyal (talk · contribs)
- Huntster (talk · contribs) - Come to me with any template issues/requests.
- IAmChaos (talk · contribs) I curl occasionally
- Kelvinc (talk · contribs)
- Krazytea (talk · contribs) Editing many Canadian sports people pages including curlers, I am from Manitoba and focus on curlers there.
- MorrisIV (talk · contribs) - Formerly posted as SargentIV (talk · contribs)
- Pkbwcgs (talk · contribs)
- Prayerfortheworld (talk · contribs) - I like curling very much, but I'm relatively new to curling and to Wikipedia. I'd still like to help as best as I can.
- Thatcurler (talk · contribs) - I love curling and represented Alberta at the 2016 Optimist U18s.
- TracyFleuryFan (talk · contribs) — I focus on creating and editing players articles and tournament pages.
- TartarTorte (talk · contribs) - I am a fan of curling. I mostly work on templates.
- Traveltheglobe (talk · contribs) - I have been curling for a long time, and was on the team that represented Nova Scotia at Optimists 2014! I hope to contribute to the team here at Wiki as well!
- UmpireRay (talk · contribs)
- AtlanticCurler (talk · contribs)
- Thequebecborder (talk · contribs) I have a genuine interest in helping out with projects, if there's a discord or somewhere where everyone here talks and correlates with each other, definitely let me know or add me with my user on my user page.
- Diepizza (talk · contribs)Hi everybody! I'm an avid curler and I look forward to helping out with some different articles!
Inactive
This is a list of members who have not contributed in at least six months. If you return to the WikiProject, or if you are put here mistakenly, just move your name back to Active Participants.
- Vanisaac (talk · contribs)
- Dcheagle (talk · contribs) - I'll try to lend a hand where ever I can.
- Coppercanuck (talk · contribs) - Love curling. Work as an Ice Tech. Have the summer to help work on this project.
- Mikeyandreality (talk · contribs) - I love this game and all sports. To bad it's not very appreciated.
- Skylerbuck (talk · contribs)
- EricCable (talk · contribs) - Curling fan for years. Played a number of years ago before moving south. Now I am founding a new club. My level of interest is in documenting all the curling clubs (specifically in the US) and to standardize those pages.
- Canada Hky (talk · contribs)
- Wrestlinglover (talk · contribs) - I don't mind helping a new project here and there.
- Scimatt (talk · contribs) - I'm currently focusing on adding team and event information to the articles, along with up to date photos.
- Ssrulle (talk · contribs) - I'm a curler, love curling, will only contribute to Canadian curling pages.
- GormtheDBA (talk · contribs) - I can do cleanup, style/grammar checks, new article creation and research, and whatever else needs doing, have been a curling fan for almost 30 years, but fairly new to Wikipedia.
- Tyler Powell6264 (talk · contribs) - A competitive curler looking to do something in my spare time.
- Sportsfan11286 (talk · contribs)
- Budd2049 (talk · contribs) - Not sure I have much to contribute, but I'll do what I can.
- Curlinggal 795 (talk · contribs)
- Intoronto1125 (talk · contribs) - Update curling results at Multi-sporting events/Olympics.
- Aureez (talk · contribs) - I'm all up for assisting this, already expanding many pages and plan to do a lot more.
- Peacock28 (talk · contribs) - I'm new to editing Wikipedia (and, for that matter, curling), but I'd like to help.
- MichealMacNeacail (talk · contribs) - I'm happy to help, with mainly a Scottish focus.
- Tincloth (talk · contribs) - Looking forward to helping out where I can!
- Mrbeijingles (talk · contribs) - I'm a Wikipedia newbie, but I'd like to help in whatever way I can.
- Schmloof (talk · contribs) - I've really only watched Curling at the 2010 Winter Olympics but it intrigues me and I'd love to help a budding WikiProject.
- User1913 (talk · contribs) - I curl semi-competitively and watch a lot of curling. Willing to work on any articles that I can help with.
Article Guidelines
Assessment
The assessment is done in a distributed fashion through parameters in the {{WikiProject Curling}} project banner; this causes the articles to be placed in the appropriate sub-categories of Category:Curling articles by quality and Category:Curling articles by importance, which serve as the foundation for an automatically generated worklist.
Table
Curling articles by quality and importance | |||||||
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Quality | Importance | ||||||
Top | High | Mid | Low | NA | ??? | Total | |
FL | 1 | 1 | |||||
GA | 2 | 3 | 2 | 7 | |||
B | 3 | 13 | 6 | 14 | 36 | ||
C | 7 | 30 | 29 | 92 | 5 | 163 | |
Start | 19 | 160 | 540 | 1,825 | 221 | 2,765 | |
Stub | 18 | 360 | 1,219 | 683 | 2,280 | ||
List | 3 | 21 | 42 | 133 | 8 | 207 | |
Category | 1,034 | 1,034 | |||||
Disambig | 6 | 6 | |||||
File | 259 | 259 | |||||
Project | 8 | 8 | |||||
Redirect | 2 | 9 | 105 | 116 | |||
Template | 219 | 219 | |||||
Other | 4 | 4 | |||||
Assessed | 35 | 244 | 980 | 3,294 | 1,635 | 917 | 7,105 |
Unassessed | 34 | 34 | |||||
Total | 35 | 244 | 980 | 3,294 | 1,635 | 951 | 7,139 |
WikiWork factors (?) | ω = 28,279 | Ω = 5.39 |
Discussions
Articles for deletion (for reference)
On curlers
Article(s) | Discussion | Opened | Closed | Result | Note |
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Robin Wegener | AfD | 12 June 2006 | 17 June 2006 | DELETE | |
Andrew Gibson | AfD | 6 November 2006 | 6 November 2006 | SPEEDY KEEP | |
Jenn Hanna | AfD | 10 June 2007 | 10 June 2007 | WITHDRAWN | |
Nicolas Hsu | AfD | 21 January 2008 | 27 January 2008 | DELETE | |
Chris Gardner (curler) | AfD | 20 February 2009 | 24 February 2009 | KEEP | |
Ray Turnbull (curling) | AfD | 19 February 2010 | 20 February 2010 | SPEEDY KEEP | |
Jonathan Beuk | AfD | 4 April 2010 | 1 May 2010 | DELETE | |
Sam Williams (curler) | AfD | 13 July 2016 | 27 July 2016 | DELETE | |
Craig Mackie | AfD | 22 March 2017 | 23 April 2017 | DELETE | |
Viktor Kim | AfD | 8 November 2018 | 23 November 2018 | WITHDRAWN | |
Tahli Gill | AfD | 8 November 2018 | 23 November 2018 | Moved to draft | Abandoned draft deleted June 2019 |
Mubarkah Al-Abdulla | AfD | 8 November 2018 | 30 November 2018 | DELETE | |
Taryn Williams | AfD | 24 January 2019 | 1 February 2019 | DELETE | |
Ben Fowler | AfD | 21 April 2019 | 28 April 2019 | KEEP | |
Zhang Qiang (curler) | AfD | 23 November 2019 | 24 November 2019 | WITHDRAWN | |
Parakev Arsenov | AfD | 19 August 2020 | 19 August 2020 | WITHDRAWN | |
Finn Mikkelsen | AfD | 19 August 2020 | 7 September 2020 | DELETE | |
Toru Utumi | Proposed deletion | 31 August 2020 | 6 September 2020 | KEEP | Deleted prod because reason stated was untrue |
Otto Erb | AfD | 1 September 2020 | 11 September 2020 | DELETE | |
Nick Rizzo (curler) | AfD | 8 March 2022 | 24 March 2022 | KEEP | |
Arthur Fabi | AfD | 24 May 2022 | 8 June 2022 | DELETE | |
Roger Jacobs | AfD | 2 June 2022 | 17 June 2022 | DELETE | |
Richard Pretsel | AfD | 2 June 2022 | 12 July 2022 | DELETE | |
Franz Engler | AfD | 2 July 2022 | 9 July 2022 | DELETE | |
Bob Lehn | AfD | 3 July 2022 | 10 July 2022 | DELETE | |
Douglas Dryburgh | AfD | 17 August 2022 | 23 August 2022 | SPEEDY KEEP | nomination withdrawn |
Garry Robson | AfD | 30 October 2022 | 14 November 2022 | DELETE | |
Christian Tolusso | AfD | 19 November 2022 | 26 November 2022 | DELETE |
On curling clubs/organizations
Article(s) | Discussion | Opened | Closed | Result | Note |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Cornell Collegiate Curling Program | AfD | 12 July 2006 | 18 July 2006 | DELETE | |
Ottewell Curling Club | AfD | 12 December 2006 | 12 December 2006 | SPEEDY DELETE | |
Garrison Golf and Curling Club | AfD | 24 December 2006 | 29 December 2006 | DELETE | Page recreated in April 2008 |
Dundas Granite Curling Club | AfD | 10 October 2008 | 15 October 2008 | NO CONSENSUS | Redirected to CurlON |
Charlotte Centre Curling Club | AfD | 16 May 2010 | 24 May 2010 | DELETE | |
All lists of curling clubs by province | AfD | 29 October 2010 | 7 November 2010 | KEEP | |
New Brunswick Curling Association | AfD | 7 November 2010 | 22 November 2010 | NO CONSENSUS | default to KEEP |
Broomstones Curling Club | AfD | 17 November 2010 | 3 December 2010 | DELETE | Delete contested and page restored for improvement |
New Brunswick Curling Association (2nd nom.) | AfD | 10 May 2011 | 17 May 2011 | KEEP | |
Evenie Water Curling Club | AfD | 12 June 2011 | 7 July 2011 | KEEP | |
Avonair Curling Club | AfD | 13 March 2016 | 21 March 2016 | DELETE | |
Plainfield Curling Club | AfD | 17 May 2018 | 25 May 2018 | NO CONSENSUS | default to KEEP |
Whitehorse Curling Club | AfD | 15 September 2019 | 22 September 2019 | DELETE | |
Plainfield Curling Club (2nd nom.) | AfD | 7 March 2019 | 14 March 2019 | KEEP | |
Wausau Curling Club | AfD | 19 May 2021 | 10 June 2021 | DELETE | |
Yellowknife Curling Centre | AfD | 29 May 2023 |
On events
Article(s) | Discussion | Opened | Closed | Result | Note |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
2012 Yukon/NWT Scotties Tournament of Hearts | AfD | 25 August 2011 | 1 September 2011 | NO CONSENSUS | default to KEEP |
2015 Canadian Open of Curling | AfD | 17 November 2015 | 17 November 2015 | SPEEDY KEEP | |
1996 Canadian Junior Curling Championships | AfD | 21 May 2016 | 6 June 2016 | KEEP | |
All 2017 provincial scotties | AfD | 27 January 2017 | 5 February 2017 | KEEP | |
2018 US Open of Curling | AfD | 21 December 2017 | 11 January 2018 | KEEP | |
CookstownCash presented by Comco Canada Inc. | AfD | 6 January 2018 | 13 January 2018 | KEEP | |
Curling at the 2022 Winter Olympics – Qualification | AfD | 20 October 2019 | 27 October 2019 | KEEP |
Categories for discussion
Proposal | Discussion | Opened | Closed | Result | Note |
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Merge Category:Canadian curlers by province or territory to Category:Canadian curlers | CfD | 14 March 2007 | 25 March 2007 | Merge | No consensus to upmerge subcats |
Merge Category:Curling by year to Category:Years in curling | CfD | 6 June 2008 | 21 June 2008 | Merge | |
Rename Category:The Brier to Tim Hortons Brier | CfD | 19 February 2012 | 20 February 2012 | No change | |
Merge Category:Bonspiels to Category:Curling competitions | CfD | 7 December 2013 | 28 January 2014 | No change | |
Merge Category:Bonspiels to Category:Curling competitions (2nd nom.) | CfD | 15 June 2014 | 15 July 2014 | Merge | Category:Bonspiels left as redirect |
Rename Category:The Brier to Tim Hortons Brier | CfD | 6 March 2015 | 15 March 2015 | No change | |
Delete Category:Curling in the United States by state and upmerge subcats | CfD | 10 September 2017 | 3 October 2017 | No change | |
Delete Category:Curling related articles with links to video | CfD | 31 January 2018 | 7 February 2018 | Delete | |
Delete Category:2018 in mixed doubles curling | CfD | 13 September 2018 | 21 September 2018 | Merge | Merged into Category:2018 in curling, no redirect |
Rename Category:Years in Canadian curling to Category:Seasons in Canadian curling | CfD | 17 February 2019 | 4 March 2019 | No consensus | Default to no change |
Delete Category:Swedish Curling Hall of Fame inductees | CfD | 11 May 2020 | 19 May 2020 | Delete | |
Delete Category:United States Curling Association Hall of Fame inductees | CfD | 25 May 2020 | 3 June 2020 | Delete | |
Delete Category:Canadian Curling Hall of Fame inductees | CfD | 3 June 2020 | 14 June 2020 | Delete | |
Delete Category:WCF Hall of Fame inductees | CfD | 16 June 2020 | 24 June 2020 | Delete |
Other
Article(s) | Discussion | Opened | Closed | Result | Note |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Books About Curling | AfD | 6 June 2014 | 10 June 2014 | DELETE | |
2015–2018 curling statistics | AfD | 22 September 2019 | N/A | N/A | Not submitted to AfD properly so no closure |
2015–2018 curling statistics | AfD | 12 February 2020 | 20 February 2020 | DELETE |
Miscellaneous
- Hello please comment in on the current discussion about the Curling notability guidelines here Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Curling guidelines way too lenient. The discussion is about how to treat non canadian curlers. While the above guidelines work for countries where curling is popular (i.e. Canada) they are likely too lenient for other countries. Please add your input. Thanks --MATThematical (talk) 19:42, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- (Note: Link to archived discussion is here: Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 8#Curling Guidelines way too lenient)
To do list
The To do list contains articles which have been requested to be made or improved upon to current standards/expectations. Feel free to leave any articles you wish to be created or improved upon inside the appropriate header.
- Create an Infobox template for US Curling Clubs. Once complete, it could be cloned for use in Canada or other countries. I am working on this. --WaxonWaxov (talk) 12:04, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
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Collaboration
Some members have expressed interest in doing a monthly collaboration, in which a low-quality article would be massively improved, with the hope of eventually getting the article to Good Article status. All low-quality articles about or closely related to curling may be nominees for the collaboration. See WP:CURLING/AID for a list of articles to be improved.
Nomination procedure
Note: This format is taken from WikiProject Birds. I am unaware of where they got it.
If you wish to nominate an article, please use the following format:
====[[ARTICLE NAME]]====
''Nominated [[MONTH DAY]] [[YEAR]];''
Support:
- (sign with four tildes)
Comments:
- (put your reason for nomination, sign again)
Please use the following code when voting to support an article.
#~~~
Nominations
Nominated January 21 2012;
Support:
- Peacock28 (talk) 00:17, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- -- Earl Andrew - talk 02:59, 21 January 2012 (UTC) I'll support this to get the ball going.
- Prayerfortheworld (talk) 02:44, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- Jake Rowsell (talk) 17:54, March 22, 2013 (AST)
Comments:
- In spite of the article's obvious importance, it is poorly written and very short. It also has few citations. Additionally, the majority of the article is simply a list of famous skips; very little is about what a skip does. Peacock28 (talk) 00:17, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- Also, if we can find the time to add pages for the lead, second, and third (mate), that would be awesome! I also agree with Peacock28, it can/could be improved.......and I will try and see if I have time to work on that article. Jake Rowsell (talk) 17:56, 22 March 2013 (AST)
- I agree. If anyone has the Russ Howard book, it has really good analysises of the various positions. I don't have it, unfortunately. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:01, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- I have a Russ Howard book called Curl to Win at my house. Is that the one? Thatcurler (talk) 13:17, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, that's it. -- Earl Andrew - talk 13:09, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- I have a Russ Howard book called Curl to Win at my house. Is that the one? Thatcurler (talk) 13:17, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- I agree. If anyone has the Russ Howard book, it has really good analysises of the various positions. I don't have it, unfortunately. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:01, 24 March 2013 (UTC)