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:Gabon's case isn't as egregious as it sounds: regular elections have been held since the end of one-party rule (1990) but, damnit, those Bongos just kept on winning. Fractured opposition loses out to entrenched power and name recognition every time, particularly when only a simple plurality is needed; and yeah, maybe a bit of electoral corruption{{cn|date=2023-09}} but nothing like [[Election#sham election|sham election]]s elsewhere. And there ''was'' a four-month interregnum between Omar's death and Ali's assumption of power, during which the VPs wielded power and during which their party went through the motions of selecting a candidate. [[User:Moscow Mule|Moscow Mule]] ([[User talk:Moscow Mule|talk]]) 19:08, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
:Gabon's case isn't as egregious as it sounds: regular elections have been held since the end of one-party rule (1990) but, damnit, those Bongos just kept on winning. Fractured opposition loses out to entrenched power and name recognition every time, particularly when only a simple plurality is needed; and yeah, maybe a bit of electoral corruption{{cn|date=2023-09}} but nothing like [[Election#sham election|sham election]]s elsewhere. And there ''was'' a four-month interregnum between Omar's death and Ali's assumption of power, during which the VPs wielded power and during which their party went through the motions of selecting a candidate. [[User:Moscow Mule|Moscow Mule]] ([[User talk:Moscow Mule|talk]]) 19:08, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
:'''Bold''' [[Special:Contributions/72.252.112.161|72.252.112.161]] ([[User talk:72.252.112.161|talk]]) 05:22, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

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Reverting

Just to be clear, I am reverting any changes made to the family section that don't provide sources (sources that actually support whatever is stated in the article text). Some people (or maybe just one person?) are disputing who is Bongo's current wife and want to add names of his children. The article currently has a source (a highly reputable source, Le Monde) identifying one of the women in question as an ex-wife and the other as his current wife. I am not arguing the facts of the matter, except to say that we must rely on sources and not on the say-so of editors. Everyking (talk) 10:48, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have had an email exchange with the director of gaboneco.com - who assures me that Ali Bongo has never married an Inge-Alia Bongo. He has been married before - to Madame Annick Aubierge Laffitte. I have not found a reference to that. I am removing Inge from the article. Wizzy…☎ 16:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So we have three different claims: Inge is currently married to Ali (source: anonymous edit warrior), Inge was never married to Ali (source: e-mail exchange with website operator), and Inge was once married to Ali, but not anymore (source: Le Monde). Since only the last of those three is supported by a source that would be considered reliable for the purposes of referencing articles, I would go with that, but it doesn't matter much to me: I'd just like to see competing anons stop changing the facts around everyday and removing the sources. Everyking (talk) 21:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding this edit, a blog has pictures of his first wedding ? Wizzy…☎ 07:07, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A persistent anon editor insists on removing this sentence. Given the uncertainty above, I am leaving it as is. Wizzy…☎ 13:13, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ali Bongo's first wife is American Inge Lynn Collins Bongo, from Los Angeles, California. http://abcnews.go.com/International/gabons-lady-lives-food-stamps-california/story?id=8494060&page=1 Gabon's First Lady Lives on Food Stamps in California
IMO there is nothing wrong with the ABC News source that is currently cited in the article; it seems to have taken pains to verify its information and Inge's identity as one of the wives of Ali Bongo Ondimba. We should not let anonymous editors who persistently make unexplained changes dictate the fate of Wikipedia's articles. Graham87 14:17, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Terminology

As the current President Bongo’s administration is a continuation of the rule of the previous President Bongo, would it be accurate to refer to the current government as the Bongo-Bongo government? 213.205.240.16 (talk) 13:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 30 August 2023

Ali Bongo Ondimba → Ali Bongo (politician) – More common name. GnocchiFan (talk) 18:29, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose present title is a perfect example of WP:NATURAL disambiguation. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:09, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While Ali Bongo Ondimba is less commonly used, sources use it enough that it is not obscure. It works as a natural disambiguator. HenryMP02 (talk) 19:40, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Ali Bongo based on discussion below HenryMP02 (talk) 18:54, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Even if it's not the most common name, the name is used enough that it not unknown. I think there's a policy for this - natural disambiguation? - something along those lines which states that the name difference is disambiguation enough. And the "Not to be confused" line at the top clears up any other confusion, as well. Maximus Pinpoint (talk) 20:58, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Proposal: Anyone feel like arguing WP:PRIMARYTOPIC? Moscow Mule (talk) 21:44, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and WP:SNOW close: per above comments.
BUT I would support a move to Ali Bongo because he seems to have been clearly the primary topic even before the coup. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 21:54, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would also support this. Given that as the president of a sovereign state he indisputably has more long-term significance than a magician. Also pageviews [1]. This could be a WP:ONEOTHER situation. estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:59, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That makes sense to me. HenryMP02 (talk) 22:18, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would we need to open an entirely new move request to move this to Ali Bongo? Would we then need to move the magician's page to somewhere else or will it simply replace the current disambiguation page? Maximus Pinpoint (talk) 23:00, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's no need for a separate request. If consensus here shows to move this page somewhere other than proposed that is possible and happens relatively frequently. Moving the page would simply replace the dab page. estar8806 (talk) ★ 23:04, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. For the record, I Support moving this page to just "Ali Bongo" per Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC. Maximus Pinpoint (talk) 23:30, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Ali Bongo the leader of Gabon is more important than a magician. Masohpotato (talk) 17:30, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Ali Bongo per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC Abo Yemen✉ 16:37, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedian use of "President"

Is there a standard as to what the term "President" means? If your father is the "President" for his whole life and then you become the "President", then that seems more correctly called a "King" or some other term related to hereditary rule.

Has the wikipedia established rules on the use of language and what terms should be applied here? Jeff Carr (talk) 17:53, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gabon's case isn't as egregious as it sounds: regular elections have been held since the end of one-party rule (1990) but, damnit, those Bongos just kept on winning. Fractured opposition loses out to entrenched power and name recognition every time, particularly when only a simple plurality is needed; and yeah, maybe a bit of electoral corruption[citation needed] but nothing like sham elections elsewhere. And there was a four-month interregnum between Omar's death and Ali's assumption of power, during which the VPs wielded power and during which their party went through the motions of selecting a candidate. Moscow Mule (talk) 19:08, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Bold 72.252.112.161 (talk) 05:22, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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