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Phoneme inventory

A citation is needed for this statement: "Sounds /enwiki/w/, /kʲ, ɡʲ/ can also be heard as sounds [ʋ], [c, ɟ] in free variation."

We can cite Edelman (1966:15) on this for the palatals. However, I'm not aware of a published phoneme inventory that makes this claim about [w]~[ʋ]. Edelman (1966:17) talks about /enwiki/w/ functioning as a semi-vowel, but I can't find any indication in her work of it being labiodental rather than (or in variation with) bilabial. Pakhalina (1969) just lists it as /enwiki/w/ in her phoneme inventory, with no discussion of this phoneme in her prose. Narin (2016) also never mentions [ʋ] as a potential variation of /enwiki/w/. (Note that Narin's sample size and time in country were both very limited, so she missed a few things including the incontrovertible evidence that /ɡʲ~ɟ/ is a phoneme and not an allomorph of /kʲ~c/.) Erusse estelinya (talk) 08:01, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FYI I'm a researcher working on this language, and I personally don't think /enwiki/w/ is in free variation with /ʋ/. However, I haven't published a phonological description that can be cited and I'm trying to avoid including original research here, per Wikipedia's guidelines. Erusse estelinya (talk) 08:04, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I say we should probably erase the [w]~[ʋ] part, as no other info is available to claim it. But I do recommend that we cite Edelman (1966) for the palatals. Fdom5997 (talk) 08:26, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds great! I just fixed the Narin > Edelman part. Erusse estelinya (talk) 09:03, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Remove "more footnotes" tag?

I've added a number of new in-line citations, particularly fixing those places flagged with "citation needed". Does the article in its current state now seem sufficiently well-sourced to justify removing the tag at the top of the page? Erusse estelinya (talk) 09:16, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 :I say we should probably erase the [w]~[ʋ] part, as no other info is available to claim it. But I do recommend that we cite Edelman (1966) for the palatals. [[User:Fdom5997|Fdom5997]] ([[User talk:Fdom5997|talk]]) 08:26, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 ::Sounds great! I just fixed the Narin > Edelman part. [[User:Erusse estelinya|Erusse estelinya]] ([[User talk:Erusse estelinya|talk]]) 09:03, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
+== Remove "more footnotes" tag? ==
+I've added a number of new in-line citations, particularly fixing those places flagged with "citation needed". Does the article in its current state now seem sufficiently well-sourced to justify removing the tag at the top of the page? [[User:Erusse estelinya|Erusse estelinya]] ([[User talk:Erusse estelinya|talk]]) 09:16, 5 September 2023 (UTC)