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2022 German Masters final

The Times’ is reporting that the final of last years’ German Masters is one of the marches being looked at in the match-fixing scandal: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/839afdc0-a0e3-11ed-be83-0b182bac2124?shareToken=049c326bc7c9558a4bdfbfc6e467c6e8

How does the wiki want to handle documenting the suggestions made in this? — CitroenLover (talk) 12:35, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Right now, nothing. If the WST, or another source state that there was match-fixing in that match, then we will obviously follow through. If the WST or another source states afterwards that the match was looked at, but wasn't deemed to be part of it, then we should also say that. Right now, we have to be careful not to state that the match was fixed. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't checking every match they've ever played together. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:57, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Lee. We certainly shouldn't be adding anything to tournament articles. Probably the List of snooker players investigated for match-fixing article could be usefully expanded when the time comes. Currently it's all little more than rumour/speculation, which is not really our area. Nigej (talk) 15:13, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. — CitroenLover (talk) 16:24, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

More info is at WP:BLPCRIME. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:18, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

2023 Tour Championship

Isn't it a bit early to have a qualification list for an event months away? I feel like it gives the impression that the listed players have already qualified. 2023 Tour Championship#Seeding list Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:25, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

I see we had one at 2023 Players Championship (snooker). Wikipedia is full of league tables and the like which are updated during the season, so in some ways this is no different. Personally I don't see too much point at the moment, especially when there's a link to the list in the reference. I can see that during the last event before the cut-off there's much more interest and an updated list perhaps makes sense at that point. If we need some sort of consensus I'd for that: it's ok to create it after the second-to-last event before the cut-off. Not a big deal either way I guess. Nigej (talk) 18:56, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't really see the point until the seeding is confirmed, but I can see why you might want to know the event prior. We aren't really a place to follow this sort of stuff though. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:37, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

One thing that is clear is that starting this list too early creates problems. The two lists we have (noted above) should be exactly the same (for the top 8), they're both simply the 1-year ranking list. However they currently differ because one includes money already guaranteed by reaching the finals of the German Masters and the other doesn't. Just a mess. Nigej (talk) 08:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Per my last comment above, I think it's clear that, at the very earliest, we shouldn't be starting such a list until the previous Players Series event has finished, otherwise we're basically maintaining two identical lists. On that basis the 2023 Tour Championship list should be removed. Nigej (talk) 09:08, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Billy (Joe) Castle

Is there any reason why the article shouldn't be changed to Billy Castle? His official page https://wst.tv/players/billy-castle/ doesn't use a middle name, nor does his own twitter account https://twitter.com/billycastle147 . I'm assuming that he was Billy Joe some time back but now prefers plain Billy. Could do a WP:RM but seems simpler just to move it. Nigej (talk) 08:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Looking at newspapers in Newsbank it seems that when he was young he was plain Billy, then had a few years mostly as Billy Joe (2015-2020 roughly) and more recently mostly Billy again. Nigej (talk) 08:46, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

As you know we don't change names simply because they have changed their name, but I don't think "Billy Joe" has enough about it to be considered the WP:COMMONNAME. I'd change it per WP:NAMECHANGES. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:57, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

These things are always a bit tricky. If I do rename it, there's always a danger that some editor will go through all the old tournament articles changing Billy Joe to Billy. A number of editors want to always point to the current article name, when they should be just putting in the name that he was known as at the time and letting the redirect do the work. Nigej (talk) 09:07, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

snooker.org switched to Billy at the start of the 2020/21 season: https://www.snooker.org/res/index.asp?event=842 (Aug 2020) has Billy Joe while https://www.snooker.org/res/index.asp?event=915 (Sep 2020) has Billy. Nigej (talk) 09:59, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

I'd say that's probably quite accurate. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:45, 13 February 2023 (UTC)