User talk:Elli

Hi! This is my talk page, feel free to drop me a message. To experienced editors: feel free to stalk my talk page and reply to any threads here.To admins: I prefer that my talk page remain unprotected, even if it's being vandalized. Such edits do not particularly bother me and I prefer to remain accessible to anyone who would like to reach me. However, if the volume of vandalism is so high that no other solution would stop disruption, I don't mind if my talk page is semi-protected for a day or two. Hopefully, this is a rare occurrence.

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello Elli,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.

NPP backlog May – October 15, 2022

Suggestions:

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Backlog:

Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello Elli,

New Page Review queue December 2022

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Elli,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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The Signpost: 15 August 2023

• News and notes: Dude, Where's My Donations? Wikimedia Foundation announces another million in grants for non-Wikimedia-related projects

• In the media: An accusation of bias from Brazil, a lawsuit from Portugal, plagiarism from Florida

• In focus: 2023 Good Article Nomination drive is underway: get your barnstars here!

• Special report: Thirteen years later, why are most administrators still from 2005?

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Question from Applebananasmoothie (20:10, 15 August 2023)

Dear Elli,

I'm new to Wikipedia and find the norms/rules a bit confusing. I would like to create Wikipedia pages for some well-known academic books in mathematics education. But I don't know where to find the standards that are required for a book page (e.g. how well known is well known enough?). Could you please give me some guidance? Is there a page that explains it?

For example, I'm thinking about books like Paul Ernest's (1991) book "Philosophy of Mathematics Education". Well-known book in the area, >3500 citations, used at many universities across the world. Is this enough to warrant creating a Wikipedia page?

Thanks! --Applebananasmoothie (talk) 20:10, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

@Applebananasmoothie: Thanks for reaching out. The relevant guideline is WP:NBOOK, and particularly the subsection WP:BKCRIT. It's a pretty lenient guideline: as long as the book has two independent, reliable reviews, it's generally going to be considered notable. The general rule of thumb I would suggest using, though, which is slightly stricter, is whether you can write a decent article about the book, based on secondary reliable sources, that is not mostly just a summary of the book's contents. Does that make sense? Please feel free to reach out if you have any further questions. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:39, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Dear Elli,

Big thanks! That makes a lot of sense.

I'll give it a try. Applebananasmoothie (talk) 20:46, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from BookkeepingSupport (05:39, 16 August 2023)

Hi, I would like to create a Wikipedia page for my business. --BookkeepingSupport (talk) 05:39, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Congressional seniority

Hi! Noticed some of your edits updating congressional seniority as members die or resign. It occurred to me I might be able to write a bot for it, given an operator to specify the now-absent congressmember. Do you have any thoughts on this/potential issues/anything I should be aware of if I end up taking this on? Rusalkii (talk) 00:45, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

@Rusalkii: So while an actual bot for this would be a bit overkill (because you'd need to go through WP:BRFA), writing a AWB script to do so in a semi-automated way would probably be a good idea. Probably would be a pretty simple regex? Tbh, I kinda enjoy the monotony of doing the task manually, but I feel like I could figure out automating it as well (so if I thought about this too much to give you more useful advice, I would just end up doing it myself, if that makes sense). Elli (talk | contribs) 00:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not at all familiar with AWB, which is why I thought of a bot first; I could probably whip up a python script for it half an hour.

If I end up tackling the project either way I'll drop you a message to make sure we aren't being redundant. Rusalkii (talk) 02:39, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:53, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Radlands (game)

On 21 August 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Radlands (game), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the post-apocalyptic board game Radlands is illustrated in bright neon? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Radlands (game). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Radlands (game)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Amynathanbooks (18:41, 28 August 2023)

How do I find out if my edits were accepted. The process of entering the edits was very complex. There should be a clear description of all the little symbols you have to use to make an edit. You need to make your process more transparent and understandable. --Amynathanbooks (talk) 18:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@Amynathanbooks: thanks for reaching out. Edits are published by default as soon as you make them (excluding a certain type of page protection, which is not relevant here). However, your edits to Gwynn Oak Park were reverted by Jessicapierce about an hour after you made them. You can see whether your edits are reverted by checking the page history. Please let me know if you have any further questions! Elli (talk | contribs) 18:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from VintilicaBad (23:54, 30 August 2023)

hi i want to write about nics gligs --VintilicaBad (talk) 23:54, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

@VintilicaBad: hello, I'm not sure quite what you're referring to. Would you be willing to elaborate? If you want to write an article, I suggest reading Help:Your first article. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:58, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2023 September newsletter

The fourth round of the competition has finished, with anyone scoring less than 673 points being eliminated. It was a high scoring round with all but one of the contestants who progressed to the final having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were

• Epicgenius, with 2173 points topping the scores, gained mainly from a featured article, 38 good articles and 9 DYKs. He was followed by
• Sammi Brie, with 1575 points, gained mainly from a featured article, 28 good articles and 50 good article reviews. Close behind was
• Thebiguglyalien, with 1535 points mainly gained from a featured article, 15 good articles, 26 good article reviews and lots of bonus points.

Between them during round 4, contestants achieved 12 featured articles, 3 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 126 good articles, 46 DYK entries, 14 ITN entries, 67 featured article candidate reviews and 147 good article reviews. Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them and within 24 hours of the end of the final. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send.

I will be standing down as a judge after the end of the contest. I think the Cup encourages productive editors to improve their contributions to Wikipedia and I hope that someone else will step up to take over the running of the Cup. Sturmvogel 66 (talk), and Cwmhiraeth (talk)

Question from EuclidTheOcelot09 (01:29, 7 September 2023)

Hi my teacher says Wikippedia is unreliable what do you think about that statement? --EuclidTheOcelot09 (talk) 01:29, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @EuclidTheOcelot09: Your teacher is partially correct. Anyone can edit Wikipedia. The content is user generated. Therefore you cannot rely on it as a source for research. In fact, Wikipedia itself has a policy that Wikipedia cannot cite itself or any other source consisting of user-generated content. However, it is helpful to use Wikipedia as a guide to what reliable sources (the footnotes) say about a subject.

That said, I recall some years ago that a survey of scientific articles was done and found to be as good or better than encyclopedias considered reliable, such as Encyclopedia Britannica. This is probably true of most technical articles. Reliability may be less for articles about popular culture. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:57, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Question from SunCamper on Draft:Clifford Vincent Tait (01:58, 8 September 2023)

Hello! I've never actually made a page before so I'm not sure how I'm going. Also I drafted the name as "Clifford Vincent Tait" but really want to just call it Cliff Tait, but I am not sure how to change that. Any help would be appreciated! --SunCamper (talk) 01:58, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

@SunCamper: thanks for reaching out. The draft has been moved to the proper title by Nurg; in the future, you could do the same thing once you are autoconfirmed (meaning you have ten edits plus a four-day old account).

As for your article, it's a good start, but there's a few changes I would suggest. First, you should use more inline references; there's multiple paragraphs without them and that is generally discouraged. It should be easy to find out where any of the information you are writing is coming from.

Secondly, you should not link external websites inline. External websites should only be linked in sources, or sparingly in an "external links" section. The guideline on this is here.

I'd also suggest either consolidating small sections together, or expanding them where possible. Having lots of small sections isn't great, though in some circumstances it isn't avoidable of course.

I know this is a lot of feedback; just trying to be helpful and comprehensive. You're onto a pretty good start for your first article (writing articles is one of the more difficult things to do around here)! Please let me know if you have any further questions or need clarification! Elli (talk | contribs) 21:07, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Hey thanks Elli, yes I wasn't sure what to cite and what to link. Some of the information is from the published books so I'm not sure how to include those as a reference. I am going to try to tidy it up, but probably like most people just plugging away in my spare time! I was trying to find some information about this person and then found he didn't actually have a page so thought well why not give it a try. SunCamper (talk) 06:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

New page patrol October 2023 Backlog drive

New Page Patrol | October 2023 Backlog Drive
On 1 October, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles and redirects patrolled. Barnstars will also be granted for re-reviewing articles previously reviewed by other patrollers during the drive. Articles will earn 3x as many points compared to redirects. Interested in taking part? Sign up here.
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