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:No, and that article quite frankly seems to have no utility. While the change is of great ceremonial importance, it has little effect on Barbados, Barbadians, and their political system. [[User:Cristiano Tomás|Cristiano Tomás]] ([[User talk:Cristiano Tomás|talk]]) 21:08, 3 December 2021 (UTC) |
:No, and that article quite frankly seems to have no utility. While the change is of great ceremonial importance, it has little effect on Barbados, Barbadians, and their political system. [[User:Cristiano Tomás|Cristiano Tomás]] ([[User talk:Cristiano Tomás|talk]]) 21:08, 3 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::Agreed. There's nothing much that would be added to it (as it is just a passing footnote) and it doesn't require duplicate articles that are about 95% the same (just because). [[User:CaribDigita|CaribDigita]] ([[User talk:CaribDigita|talk]]) 16:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC) |
::Agreed. There's nothing much that would be added to it (as it is just a passing footnote) and it doesn't require duplicate articles that are about 95% the same (just because). [[User:CaribDigita|CaribDigita]] ([[User talk:CaribDigita|talk]]) 16:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC) |
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==Paragraph suggesting that the majority of the nation was not in favor of becoming a republic== |
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I've noted my objections [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Barbados&type=revision&diff=1064368929&oldid=1064368132 here] to this content; the "poll" makes no claims to being statistically sound in terms of sampling, and the additional content makes claims that are not supported in the supplied source (that the PM "refused" to hold referendums). <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 01:47, 8 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:The first part is a Facebook poll, which clearly isn't a reliable source. The second isn't an accurate representation of the source material - it isn't just on-sided (the source gives two sides of the referendum issue) it makes even stronger claims that the source does ("refused") and does so in Wikipedia's voice. I don't think the Daily Express is a great source anyway - it has a clear agenda that would probably be at odds with the "insult" of demoting the queen. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] ([[User talk:Guettarda|talk]]) 04:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:Definitely think that poll was misleading. I removed it because online polls are not a reliable source and it presented a misleading picture of public opinion. [[User:Desertambition|Desertambition]] ([[User talk:Desertambition|talk]]) 04:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:So is there a consensus to remove the problematic parts of that paragraph? A User keeps reverting it. [[User:Gemini.skywalker]] 8:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:: Yes, I'd say there is a consensus. I searched for news stories about polling around time time of the transition; I was unable to find anything that suggested that the majority of the population was opposed to it, though one article did mention that the majority of the correspondents were "indifferent," or were unclear on how the change would impact them. [https://barbadostoday.bb/2021/12/21/survey-shows-support-for-republic/]. In any case, this article should summarize the transition to a republic concisely; we have a separate article [[Republicanism in Barbados]] that goes into greater detail. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 17:50, 16 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::Well I removed the paragraphs. I wasnt sure if to keep the UWI poll too for the sake of brevity but unlike the Facebook poll, It was more academic so I left that. I also removed the paragraph sourcing The Express as its clearly biased and not very reliable. [[User:Gemini.skywalker]] 7:27, 16 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Ongoing Effort to Undermine Barbados's Transition to Republic == |
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Just wanted to leave this deep dive into the history of republicanism in Barbados from University College London: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fTUZ7WmH40 |
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The transition to republic has overwhelming public support and it is not true that any significant portion of the population opposed the move. Just thought it should be noted for future edits. |
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[[Republicanism in Barbados]] also has problem with biased, misleading wording. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Desertambition|Desertambition]] ([[User talk:Desertambition#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Desertambition|contribs]]) 04:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Actual parish borders == |
== Actual parish borders == |
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Republic of Barbados?
Reading through the Constitution (Amendment) (No. 2 ) Bill, 2021, it contains no reference to a change in name of the Country to officially "The Republic of Barbados", unless someone has a source for an official name change the name should stay simply "Barbados" in my opinion WanukeX (talk) 04:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed; I've been unable to find any sources saying that the name has changed to anything, and as such should probably remain as simply "Barbados." OhNoitsJamie Talk 04:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- I also Agree; I've been looking and found no sources so should remain simply as Barbados until it can be sourced.Lankyant (talk) 04:20, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
In fact, this source states:
The Minister of Science, Innovation and Technology named November 30 as "the day of independence" for the island, which will continue to be known as Barbados rather than the Republic of Barbados.
A ministra da Ciência, Inovação e Tecnologia apontou o dia 30 de novembro como "o dia da independência" da Ilha, que continuará a ser conhecida como Barbados ao invés de República de Barbados.
Skyshifter talk 15:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not many republics have the word republic, in there country's official name. GoodDay (talk) 16:38, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: I'd disagree. For non-Federations it is pretty common to include "Republic of" in the Official Name. Can you think of any non Federations that don't have "Republic of_" in their official name? (LIST HERE) Only one I could think of is "Commonwealth of Dominica", and that's because if they were the 'Republic of Dominica' then that could confused them as the Dominican Republic further north. CaribDigita (talk) 06:56, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- In this source (Goverment of Barbados' website) it states:
Salvabl (talk) 17:26, 30 November 2021 (UTC)It was probably the last accreditation ceremony for the High Commissioner with Her Majesty’s inscription on the Letters of Credence. The next phase will be endorsed by the President of the Republic of Barbados.
- That's a bit weak to source an official name change of the actual country. It's possible that the long-form title of the president includes "Republic" but the actual name of the nation does not. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Another source (dated AUG 21, 2021) - PM Outlines Republic Journey For Barbados:
- That's a bit weak to source an official name change of the actual country. It's possible that the long-form title of the president includes "Republic" but the actual name of the nation does not. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
“There is no change to the flag. There is no change to the name of Independence Day; there is no change to the name of Barbados. Barbados is Barbados. We’re not the Commonwealth of Barbados; we’re not the Republic of Barbados; Barbados is Barbados. We are also not changing our pledge,” the Prime Minister stated.
- That's from gisbarbados.gov.bb (Barbados Government Information Service) OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:49, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Reading the Constitutional Amendment[1], the Title is Officially just "The President of Barbados" WanukeX (talk) 03:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- The Constitutional Amendment is conclusive as to what the country calls itself. It refers to the "President of Barbados", the "Parliament of Barbados" and "the Constitution and supreme law of Barbados", as well as providing that in the Amendment "'State' means Barbados". Errantius (talk) 12:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Barbados Today also pick up on that too.
- Barbados’ new image- (December 1, 2021) (quote)"Imperial honours will be no more. There will be a range of Barbadian honours, with the highest being Freedom of Barbados, which is equivalent to a knighthood.
- There will be **no change** to the country’s name, flag, pledge or the name of Independence Day. In addition, the President would be ceremonial, just like the Governor-General and carry out the same functions."(end quote) CaribDigita (talk) 16:25, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Barbados Today also pick up on that too.
- The Constitutional Amendment is conclusive as to what the country calls itself. It refers to the "President of Barbados", the "Parliament of Barbados" and "the Constitution and supreme law of Barbados", as well as providing that in the Amendment "'State' means Barbados". Errantius (talk) 12:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
References
Proposed Page: Barbados (1966–2021).
Now that Barbados has become a republic, would it not make sense to create the page Barbados (1966–2021) similar to the Mauritius (1968–1992) page. --Kappasi (talk) 12:06, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes. J 1982 (talk) 17:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- No, and that article quite frankly seems to have no utility. While the change is of great ceremonial importance, it has little effect on Barbados, Barbadians, and their political system. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 21:08, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed. There's nothing much that would be added to it (as it is just a passing footnote) and it doesn't require duplicate articles that are about 95% the same (just because). CaribDigita (talk) 16:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Actual parish borders
It baffles me that (just as the rest of the internet) an encyclopedia like Wikipedia has such bad maps about the Barbadian parish borders. If you look at OpenStreetMap you actually see the right boundary lines (commonly following roads and streets) while all Wiki images only display an extremely simplified version of the parishes with pretty straight border lines. Barbadian parish borders are just as crooked as borders in any other country but the borders displayed in the article and the parish articles make it appear like straight borders in a desert. That may be enough for Wikipedia in 2008, but in 2022 the boundaries should be more accurate.--95.91.229.148 (talk) 03:36, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
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Israeli flag overlayed over article
Why is the Israeli flag overlayed over the Barbados article on the app (but not on the web) and how can one remove it, as it has no reason for being there. Fxhomie (talk) 05:22, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- It's template vandalism. Please be patient until the cache expires (I've purged it so it should be fixed hopefully soon, if not already). Nardog (talk) 05:30, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
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