User talk:Khoikhoi/Archived

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Bozcaada

Why did you delete the dab page? (I can guess why)--Domitius 18:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Ayran

Please justiy the various translations for Ayran. --Oguz1 18:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Ordu

Please provide a source for "Today, the city's population is mostly Turkish following the Armenian Genocide[1] and the expulsion of the Greek population.

The source cited ISBN 0060198400 does not contain a census - but here's one from Wikipedia that says it was mostly Turkish about that time.[[1]]

Please provide precedence where historical population is cited within current (e.g. provide another article that discusses previous populations)

Please provide NPOV sources for any of the above. --Oguz1 18:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Mardin

Are you serious? (http://lexicorient.com/e.o/mardin.htm) --Oguz1 20:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Besides I was talking abou this [[2]]

You added that to Mardin.

Please provide a NPOV source about that. --Oguz1 20:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Ardahan

He's right, it was administered by the DRG, though it was claimed by the DRA. -- Aivazovsky 20:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Cities of Kurdistan

Wow, you are a city of Kurdistan, good to know that :)

Check the categories below deniz 21:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Now you are not categorized anymore.

A question, am I allowed to (for copyright purposes) to download this image [3] from wikimedia commons, draw a rectangle around Turkey, then upload it back? What should the copyright message be then? I want to use it on Anatolia and Geography of Turkey. Thanks

deniz 21:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Monospace

Out of curiosity, how many other editors have you run across with monospace font signatures? You're the only one I can think of. —dgies^t_c 22:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Qazakh

Don't you think it is possible to unlock Qazakh now, after beinglocked over month? See Talk:Qazakh. `'mikka 00:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Khachkar destruction

I had to undo your redirect here. This has survived 2 AfDs in the last month, so I have to let it stand. - Richard Cavell 03:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

...

Khoi, in history of Armenia you just reinstated ararat_arev's edits.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 03:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

It would had you paid attention. Look [4], the difference is identical to what I had removed earlier. All of it is ararat_arev's crap that he has been inserting into various articles since the day he registered. He has been spamming several Armenian forums as well now for the past few months. It was added a while ago, nobody had noticed it though...-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 03:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

That's ok. Sorry for being grumpy...-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 03:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Redirect

Hi dear, I do not know how to redirect pages. Can you help to do this because I found 2 article for same person but different names. check these Ghulam_Murtaza_Syed,G._M._Syed. Khalidkhoso 03:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

another old NisarKand account

Hi Khoikhoi. Sorry to bother you again. But here are 2 more sock puppets NisarKand had from long ago and is using again. Pashtun786 and Aero_stud24. And here's a new one Rizza18 (you can tell by his racist attacks toward Tajiks and Shia Islam). Thanks Khoikhoi. --Behnam 07:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

World Heritage template

Hi again. Someone proposed that the World Heritage template be merged with the protected area template. In any case, a user is complaining about the lack of use of the World Heritage template. See this article for reference. Joey80 12:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

khachkar destruction

You redirected page from khachkar destruction to page Julfa - yopu mentioned that I agreed on that. Only on some conditions which is not fulfiled yet by Armenian editors. and I absolutely don't agree with the change of the name - khachkar destruction in nackichevan--Dacy69 13:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

possible troublemaker

Hello Khoikhoi,

Can you please keep an eye on User:Imbris? He seems to have come here with purely political goals (POV pushing about the independence of Vojvodina, or something) and he and Panonian have been fighting for about two weeks--it looked fairly 50-50 at first but now it looks like Panonian is tired of fighting but Imbris is still harrassing him anyway. I don't really know what to do, maybe you can help. K. Lásztocska 13:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Blocking pages in the UAE

Hello Khoikhoi, Your name comes up repeatedly as blocking UAE IPs. Please can you not do this as all users go via one ISP (Etisalat and its proxy) and IPs are assigned dynamically. Thank you.

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213.42.2.27 14:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello. The IPs are also assigned as proxies, via the international service ([5]), and my block of 195.229.241.187 (talk · contribs) is what caused the collateral damage. If I am mistaken, please let me know. Khoikhoi 03:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Kurdistan cat

Consensus new and old

Why are you blanket reverting me? Do you have a reason to call random cities under Kurdistan cat? If you have a reason to object my removal please state your reasons under the mediation case or else please agree with the consensus. -- Cat ^chi? 18:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

They're not "random cities", they're cities in Kurdistan. There was no consensus to mass-remove the category from every page. Khoikhoi 03:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

There was no consensus to tag them like that in the first place. Aside from me, no one (including you) bothered to even comment on the RfC or the mediation page. If you have a rationale in reverting me, please state it on the mediation page. Also, please study the image on the right. -- Cat ^chi? 07:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Am I supposed to assume good faith?

On Adil creation of the article Azerbaijani Genocide? Thanks for moving it, and YEH that it had not degenerated like most of the things he does. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fadix (talk • contribs) 23:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

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Names

Greetings! I want as to settle the problem with the names of the towns. I remove the foreign names from the beginning of the articles because ALL greek towns are made in the same manner and this is not fair. This is why I will continue to remove the names of Plovdiv, Burgas and others from the beginning until I see the Bulgarian names of the greek towns in the same place.

You see that I have left many Turkish names (Haskovo, Isperih, Kubrat and others) in the beginning of the article so you have nothing to complain. --Gligan 11:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Foreign Relations of TR

Who cares Armenia in foreign relations with the neighbors of Turkey when compared with others like Russia, Iran etc. Whoever had written the paragraph about them as if it has a high importance than others... SEY01 12:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

It is simply because of to mention that whinging genocide issue in every Turkey related article in wikipedia, as if Armenia/Armenians is an important case for the country. SEY01 07:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

I made a big mistake leaving the computor on while i was away, and it seems like my little brother has been screwing with me. I just want you to know that i had nothing to do with all the vandalizing of the pages. But i excuse for my little brother.

Counter?

Hey Khoikhoi, why don't you get yourself one of those nice little counters where it says "This page has been vandalized X times"? I have recently gotten the impression that you would actually have use for that. :-) Keep up the work, don't let them get you down! Cheers, Krankman 17:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

JCAG/ASALA

Hey Khoi, user:CeeGee contacted me here [6] asking me about an edit I made which is similar to one that you made where you reverted yourself? What I edited is the removal of 2 categories of "terrorist incidents in the 70, 80" from the JCAG page since JCAG is a group and not an incident. - Fedayee 20:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Alright, understandable, thanks for the clearup. - Fedayee 05:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

urartu

because of vandalism of banned user last protected version omit improtant quote in the text of Urartu. please restore to the pre-vandalised version - 08:22, 14 March 2007 Thijs!bot --Dacy69 23:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Newroz

Happy Newroz! Newroz Piroz Be! :)

Ozgur Gerilla 01:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Never even seen it, I think it isn't enough of suppression, from them, physically they try to do the same virtually now. I just hope they don't delete the babel just for supporting an "illegal" Ideology. Ozgur Gerilla 04:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Kičevo

Can you unprotect Kičevo article? It is protected from 26 January and there is no discussion on the talk page. I want to make some minnor edits in that article regarding connection between town and municipality of Kičevo. PANONIAN (talk) 01:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikimachine

Well, I am now asking you to block Wikimachine. Based on most recent comments, he clearly hasn't learned his lesson. --Nlu (talk) 01:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Khachkar destruction

Hi. I'm not going to pretend that I'm at ease with the decision that I made, but as an admin I have to make a decision, and I made the decision that I think is best for wikipedia and for the editors. I have, at any rate, set the article free from its temporary protection. You're welcome to nominate it for AfD come 1 July, and I promise that I will not adjudicate that AfD nor vote in it (though I may well comment on it). - Richard Cavell 07:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Your administration conduct is disputed

This is an official dispute resolution notice.

I find your decision to block me [7] incorrect, unjust and contradicting to both WP rules and common sense. That is why I demand your official and most public apologies.

Regarding some circumstances of your decision, as well as some other admin decisions of yours, I also seek limitation of your further adminship activities (up to official stripping you off sysop rights), voluntary or ruled out by ArbComm, on the basis of this dispute. The faster you apologize and agree with limitation, the less degree of limitation will I demand.

Further steps of WP:DR procedure will of course be made unless you compromise. Thanks, Ukrained 10:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Şebinkarahisar

I took the time to write the History section of the article [8]. I mentioned the Armenian thing too and gave inter-link but it is not enough apperantly. An Armenian Genocide sub-section is being created again[9].

This is what I wrote to Fedayee:

"It is a part of the history of the city so I mentioned it and gave a direct inter-link to the article. Are you demanding an Armenian Genocide sub-section in every Eastern Turkish city article?"

What do you think?--Doktor Gonzo 14:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Bonny

I think this is him. Can you please verify it? See this and this.   /FunkyFly.talk_  18:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

re: possible trouble

Hi Khoi, their biggest fight seems to have been here, also here. One obvious personal attack was this one--it goes on like that every time these two guys meet. (BTW, I'm pretty sure I'm on one of those talk pages making some snarky comments to Panonian--ignore those, I was mad at him over a past issue and lost my temper, I later apologized and we're cool.) Anyway, it's a nasty situation, I hope you might be able to figure out what to do. K. Lásztocska 19:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

blocking UAE IPs

- Please can you not block UAE IPs. Most connections are required to go throught the same proxy controlled by the country's ISP, and IPs are assigned dynamically...

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Disruptive edits

Khoi, can you please take a look at this [10] this [11]this [12]. Everything article Adil touches turns the article into s___. His incessant intemperative and POV edits are never constructive and always end in locking them up because of his rv wars.--MarshallBagramyan 21:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Marshall, you are the one who does disruptive editing, by placing back (reverting) the POV sources such as "NKR" site, sumgait.nfo, etc. Francis Tyers agreed to their removal, by the way, which once again, doesn't surprize, since they are clearly POV. And while I left other POV, such as books by Armenian authors, since at least they are published books, I did remove the POV amateurish websites. I've outlined why it is you who are in violation of Wkipedia rules here [13] --adil 03:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, what's up.. Hope all is fine. Listen, the problem with those pages is not the simple mention of "Kurdish".. I am cool with the Kurdish-inhabited cat, but this is about a specific expression. There is also the state issue. Kurdistan, and even TRNC, stubs have been deleted in the past for a similar reason: WP:V. It is not even clear what Kurdistan is, let alone that there be a clear concensus on consistently referring to Diyarbakir, Van, Elazig et al as such - Kurdish inhabited, yes. That's all I am saying. Even that map you pointed out uses the "Kurdish-inhabited" expression. Making the jump from that to Kurdistan is OR, no? All the relevant Kurdish-inhabited regions cats should stay, but there are serious WP:V issues with the other cats. That's all. Cheers! Baristarim 01:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was really busy and the only way I could concentrate on real-life stuff was to stay away from the Internet all together :) It is not just Wikipedia.. MSN, surfing etc. Moment I get on it the time seems to fly!

As for the category.. Well, the thing is that it is seriously not overwhelmingly referred to as Kurdistan, let alone Turkish Kurdistan. In many serious works, it is definitely mentioned that Van, Elazig etc is Kurdish-inhabited (but there is also the question that in some of those places depicted on those maps Kurds do not form a majority at all - they just show where Kurds live, not where they are in an overwhelming majority), but not as "Kurdistan". Armenians, Arabs, Assyrians, and for the last millenia, Turks have also been living there, forming a majority in some places. That's why in most serious news releases they are not mentioned as being part of the "Turkish Kurdistan". Diyarbakir article in the intro itself says that, even though it has been considered as a capital of a TR Kurdistan, it is a very contested term that doesn't reflect a concensus. Go on BBC News and make search for any of those cities and anything that comes up will definitely mention the Kurdish population, but not the expression "TR KD" - and definitely not in an affirmative manner like "so our correspondent Mr. X Y was in Elazig the other day, in Turkish Kurdistan", you see what I mean? I am sure that there are sources that mention it as such, but I am also sure that most do not. If we make that jump from Kurdish-inhabited to Kurdistan, and especially to Turkish Kurdistan, then that's OR. However, the opposite would be true for Iraqi Kurdistan, which is regularly referred to as such on top of being an official entity. That's all. In fact, that's what I have been trying to explain at the WP. If it stays at Kurdistan, it will never be anything more than some small fantasy project which will be constantly edit-warring for the banner.

I don't get it though.. When I point this out, people think that I don't like Kurds or something but a POV-title tag has been at TRNC for ages (and at PGG too, to be fair). Anyways... Well, on another note, I thought that the cat "Kurdish-inhabited regions" was chosen after extensive discussion about Kurdistan and et al, no? Baristarim 01:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't implying you in my last comment :) So how are you otherwise? Baristarim 02:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, how can I get around to moving Mor Hananyo Monastery to Deyrülzafarân Monastery? I think that administrator involvement is necessary or maybe I still haven't learned how to override those redirects. Baristarim 10:51, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

March Days

Just to clarify. In my last edit part of the page did not get loaded well (perhaps because I used Mozilla Firefox). So, you made a correction over that, and the page remained at half, so I corrected the problem. Please, check to make sure your edit is incorporated. Thanks. Atabek 02:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

why is Fadix allowed to remove TWO sources, both of which you personally have been involved with and thus are well on top of, know about them [14] --adil 03:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, are you going to do anything about the edit of Fadix over yours removing the source? If not, then I will be removing "Armenian Genocide" quote from there as well. It has no relation to March Events in Baku anyways. Atabek 08:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Kurdistan mediation

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-- Cat ^chi? 22:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijani people

Hello. The Azerbaijani people article must be re-written to conform with encyclopaedia's such as Encyclopaedia of Islam, Encyclopaedia Iranica, Encyclopaedia Britannica, Grand Dictionnaire Encyclopedique Larousse, Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary, and World Book Encyclopedia, as well as what many major scholars say, such as Vladimir F. Minorsky and Richard N. Frye, among many others. There are also the recent genetic tests, which should be taken into consideration. Previously, you mentioned something about undo weight and reverted changes to the article. I assume that it is because you had not known that all major encyclopaedias and many scholars now support the Iranian origin theory and also, but to a lesser extent, the Caucasian theory. Well, I agree, Azeri's are considered a Turkic people, due to our language, but in the origins section, the only theories that should be expressed are those of the Caucasian theory and those of the Iranian theory, which are the only two credible and supported theories. Having the Turkic theory in that section is undo-weight, as it is not accepted by major encyclopaedias and historians. In fact, the whole section on the Turkic theory is pure speculation the way its written, trying to combine things that really dont have anything to do with an origin theory. With your help, I think we can really make the origin section better.Azerbaijani 13:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijani people is an FA article. It presents all the existing views in a neutral fashion. Your edits to the History of Azerbaijan are far from neutrality, and I want third party editors to review them. Grandmaster 14:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

An article being FA does not mean it cannot be edited or changed. It is not neutral and does not present all the views as they are. The Turkic origin theory is undo-weight, as it is not a supported or acceptable theory anymore (which is why encyclopaedia's dont even mention it). Further more, the article does not express the genetic data or what major encyclopaedia's and scholars have to say about the issues. Also, you accuse my edits to the History of Azerbaijan article no being neutral when previously nothing in the whole section was sourced?!Azerbaijani 15:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

If the "genetic test" is by the Iranian graduate student at Cambridge, that has only been reported by the Iranian state-run news agency, then no, thanks. Likewise, Azerbaijani people are a nation, that progresses and evolves every year, as such, opinion from 50 years ago should be treated accordingly. There are studies both in the West, Russia and the Republic of Azerbaijan that are far more recent and definitive than any quotes from encyclopedia Iranica (which is also Iranian edited), encyclopedia of Islam (which is not verifiable online), Britannica (whose chapter on Azerbaijan is written by an Armenian Suny), and Brokgauz & Efron which is a 100+ year old dictionary that user Azerbaijani cannot even read as its in Russian. --adil 21:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Kabyle language

Nice work!!! Khoikhoi 06:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ;-) Agurzil 14:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Mjolnir (comics)

For the record, sprotecting the Mjolnir (comics) page did force the anonymous user to use his actual account, but it didn't stop the edit war. [15] --GentlemanGhost 18:32, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Bonaparte

You should take a look at this: [16]. Did you notice something wrong? :)) --Öcsi 21:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

And then this [17]. I was right. This guy is Bonaparte. Haha! --Öcsi 21:09, 24 March 2007 (UTC)