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Josip Belusic picture

@Joy, @Ponor, @ArianJD, @AustroHungarian1867, @Bronx Langford, @Dalibor1975, @Dape13, @Franjo Tahy, @ImChessFan21, @Jalapeño, @Maestro Ivanković, @Mychele Trempetich, @Nirmaz, @Zmaj~enwiki, @Mihitza78/rightpanel and all other Croatian editors: could you provide a picture of the statue of Josip Belusic, so we can substitute the poor-quality picture currently used in his article's infobox? It was unveiled over a year ago in Zagreb as part of the "Sit & Meet" trail [1], Tommy Lee J. (talk) 00:16, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Address should be: Jupi bar, Ul. Ivana Tkalčića 18, Zagreb [2] Tommy Lee J. (talk) 00:21, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Olm

I have nominated Olm for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Talk 02:21, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Article: János Statileo aka Ivan Statilić

I did a major upgrade to the bio of Ivan Statilić. Can you add this to the WikiProject Croatia? I am a noob here - and not good yet with Wiki Tech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/János_Statileo ZidarZ (talk) 10:13, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Attacks by user buidhe

I made some small improvements on the "1918 protest in Zagreb" page. Quickly, a user "buidhe" undid my improvements with no legitimate justification. We entered into a "debate" and I quickly became the victim of bullying. At first "he" made personal attacks and then he insinuating threats.

His last comment to me was " The purpose of wikipedia is not to promote Croatia and crusade against "anti-Croatian" narratives. We're only interested in covering what reliable sources have to say on a subject. If that is your attitude I don't think you are going to stick around very long. (t · c) buidhe 14:18, 3 September 2023.

The comment "crusade against "anti-Croatian" narratives" is problematic. Is it not right to fix incorrect information and anti-Croat bias? He writes about "reliable sources" but the only reliable sources are ones that he personally thinks are "reliable" - this is rather subjective.

Has anyone else had problems with this person that appears to possibly suffer from the disease of Croatomisia (hate of Croats)? ZidarZ (talk) 18:15, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Let me add one more problematic detail. In a discussion about what books are "reliable" "buidhe" said the following "...books with hyperbolic titles are less likely to be WP:RS and suitable to cite for wikipedia purposes.

hyperbole: extravagant exaggeration, exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

Who decides what a "hyperbolic title" is?

Are books from almost 100 years ago to be judged by today's standards?

We are told not to judge a book by its cover, what right should "buidhe" have in judging a book by its title, rather than by its content. ZidarZ (talk) 20:05, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

This is a content dispute. The place to discuss such a dispute is on the relevant article's talk page. If you are unable to reach consensus, then consider one of the available dispute resolution mechanisms. Please do not post like this on multiple pages, because it comes across as canvassing. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:15, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the response.

This is more than a "content dispute".

The real issue whether this person has, to say politely, and "anti-Croat bias". For that reason I asked:

"Has anyone else had problems with this person that appears to possibly suffer from the disease of Croatomisia (hate of Croats)?"

If others have had negative interactions with "him", then we can determine from the pattern of activity whether the person is "problematic". ZidarZ (talk) 20:30, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Complaints about user conduct should be made at WP:AN/I (but beware WP:BOOMERANG). Cordless Larry (talk) 20:38, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Before I do that, I am asking if others have had negative experience with him. As for "WP:BOOMERANG" - yes, I am well aware that the online world has many troll and Wikipedia is no different. Please tell me that Wikipedia is not full of trolls protecting trolls and abusing people that complain about "people in power" ("editors"). ZidarZ (talk) 21:27, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Judgments about cases brought to administrators' noticeboards are not made by trolls, no, even if there are trolls on Wikipedia (who usually get blocked pretty quickly). Cordless Larry (talk) 21:31, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Is it possible that an "editor" is a "troll"? ZidarZ (talk) 22:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

"Editor" is a label that is applied to everyone who creates an account and edits Wikipedia, so yes, some editors are trolls (but like I've said, they usually get blocked quickly). Cordless Larry (talk) 22:33, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Then i should ask, "Is it possible that an admin is a troll?"

I know that in many forums, sometimes "moderators" with a bit of power are the worst trolls. ZidarZ (talk) 00:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Siege of Valpovo

I did a major update to the article of the Siege of Valpovo in 1543.

Siege of Valpovo ZidarZ (talk) 12:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Battle of Somlyo (1543)

I created a new article about the Battle of Somlyo in 1543. Though the battle happened in Hungary, it was one of Nikola IV Zrinski's first battles as Ban of Croatia. If you have any ideas for improvements, let me know.

Draft:Battle of Somlyó (1543) ZidarZ (talk) 20:31, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Miho

FYI Miho (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been proposed to be split to Miho (Japanese name) and Miho (Croatian name). For the discussion, see Talk:Miho -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 22:00, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Moved to talk: Miho § Split (2023)

Battle of Konjščina

I have written an article about the Battle of Konjščina in 1544.

Let me know what you think. Feel free to improve.

Draft:1544: Battle of Konjščina ZidarZ (talk) 01:54, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon

Hello WikiProject Croatia:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk) 12:54, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Assessing credibility of a book

Ante Mrkonjic, a Croat in Australia, wrote these books on Croatian history:

A History of the Early Croats

A History of The Croats - The Years 1102 to 1606

He is not a professional historian, but a passionate amateur historian who wrote two books because the "historians" at the U of Zagreb have not done anything. The books are self-published because the cost and loss of control (for years) is not worth it to small authors.

I have used the books in my research and I can honestly say that these two books are the best Croatian history books - encyclopedic books - in the English language. In total, the books are about 1,600 pages in total.

It would be great if someone could read the books and deem them to be credible sources. They should be credible since they are a compilation of the works of Croatian historians and translation to English. Trule a monumental work.

Thank you ZidarZ (talk) 21:27, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Croatian settlement articles mass creation

As I promised back in May, I went through some 3500 Croatian settlement, town/city and municipality articles updating their 2021 population, area and website data, and for some also adding the missing infoboxes. I hope nobody got too upset about that. There are about 3000 "naselje" articles still missing, and I know @Gruesome Gary and @W.G.J. have added a few hundred just recently. This, though, can be highly automated. It should be pretty easy for me to create articles like the new Dubrava (S-D C) article. Before I make a WP:MASSCREATE proposal, I will need #1 your opinions on all this, and #2 your help. As for #2: please check Dubrava, Split-Dalmatia County and tell me:

1. what else could be added, that you think a bot could do (empty parameters included, for someone to fill in in the future)
2. what should not be there
3. what to do with {{Commons category}} (I don't expect many settlements to have it; I might be able to get it from Wikidata)
4. should anything be worded differently, e.g. how do we differentiate villages from settlements, cities from towns.

I will post a list of all new article names, linked, which should give us all red links. If any turn blue, like in Podgora (say we're creating Podgora, Dubrovnik-Neretva County), the bot will need help, and so will I. But first things first: what do you think of this whole idea, put forward by @Joy on my talk page. Thanks, Ponor (talk) 13:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Oof why force zoom=5 :) conventionally, these are shown at country level and closer. --Joy (talk) 04:00, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@Joy :) it's negotiable. The way I have it replaces the 20th century pushpin map with something that you can zoom in to freely.

Plus, I can't tell you the number of times I was asked if Cro-asia is in Asia. Anything below the country level might not mean much to our international readers.

Feel free to edit my 'template', though. There are some policy discussions about mass creation of geo stubs, one of ours was mentioned. So let's see what happens there first. Ponor (talk) 19:50, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, when we have tens of thousands of articles that have just pushpin_map = $Country, I almost never see people adding e.g. pushpin_map = $Country#$Continent or similar, and adding image_map = {{infobox mapframe}} is still a manual operation for most infoboxes (as opposed to being integrated like location map is), I'm not sure if it's a big problem. Maybe it's just a problem of volume, obfuscated syntax, and visibility, though. A compromise could be some way to show different contexts easily. A person who browsed to e.g. a small village near Split probably wants to see the location of it compared to the city because that's the context, as opposed to seeing where it is compared to San Marino :) Maybe we should use this opportunity to bring this up at generic Infobox settlement talk pages, because adding kilobytes upon kilobytes of new code that later needs to be refactored might not be a good idea. --Joy (talk) 07:24, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Fair point, about the context. What I don't like about the old pushpin maps is that you lose the pushpin once you click on them, but you're right... at some point the change will have to be decided for all articles. Bringing this up at infobox talk page is a bite too big for me atm. So if this mass creation ever happens, we should have both Croatia pushpin map and infobox mapframe, is that what you're saying? I'm okay with that. You know of any other data a bot could add, while I'm at it? Plus, again, let's keep an eye on this. Ponor (talk) 09:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah. Thanks for the note about the proposed change to WP:GEOLAND, but it doesn't matter in this case because we're talking about documenting existing undocumented villages here, if somehow consensus changes to cause these to be list format, we still need that (a lot of the Croatian municipality articles are missing lists of settlements, I keep adding them year after year). --Joy (talk) 11:01, 1 October 2023 (UTC)