Talk:Chrystia Freeland

WEF Board?

How is it never mentioned that she also sits on the Board of Trustees for the WEF? 142.183.25.195 (talk) 00:03, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a indiscriminate collection of information (WP:TMI), Wikipedia can't list every single board or organization someone has participated in, especially for politicians who participate in a lot of them. The WEF is not some sort of governmental entity and there is nothing exceptional about her participation with it to warrant to inclusion, beyond conspiracy theories of-course, but WP:SOAP. CASalt (talk) 17:42, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Moreover, a quick ctrl-f shows that the WEF is actually mentioned here, "That month she also joined the board of trustees of the World Economic Forum". Though I'm not sure what that is doing under the "Minister of foreign affairs (2017–2019)" subheading or when it was added. CASalt (talk) 17:46, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

I moved it down there because it was in the lead section at the time. It's in that section for chronological reasons, though it's only sourced to a press release -- given the lack of secondary coverage I wouldn't be against removing it. Citing (talk) 19:06, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2023

Write that’s she’s far right. 2600:1700:2D2A:E000:1477:EAB4:25E9:6E48 (talk) 06:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 💜  melecie  talk - 06:25, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

She’s literally the granddaughter of a Nazi official. 2600:1700:2D2A:E000:5D57:C0F4:7987:DC4E (talk) 02:19, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

That's already mentioned in the article, with proper weight and sourcing. —C.Fred (talk) 02:24, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Early life section

Is there any logical reason why the early life section at the top of this page doesn't include the most RS cited member of Freeland's family? Why is this information regulated to the bottom of the page? C.Fred mentions proper weight has been given despite the inconsistencies. How was the weight determined? Why does this page not follow the WP Biography template and include all personal/family history chronologically at the top? Iksnyrk (talk) 16:52, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I share this concern. The lead includes fairly trivial information, including details of a masters degree and other minor biographical detail. While the fact that her grandfather was a Nazi collaborator is not at all trivial. Her literary work has at times intersected with her family history and this is something she has not been candid about in the past. Any assessment of, and reference to, her relevant literary and political activities (i.e. which refer to Ukraine, Russia , Nazi-ism, etc) should therefore be properly contextualised. The strong impression here is that the very significant story about her grandfather and her own ambiguous response to his history is being left opaque. It should, in my view, be mentioned in the lead. Emmentalist (talk) 13:59, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

A subject's education and career are hardly trivial details in her own biography and they fall within WP:MOSBIO. Lead sections of biographies don't go into ancestry unless it is directly relevant (for example Justin Trudeau's father being prime minister). Her grandfather was mentioned at one point in the early life section article but it led to arguments and POV-pushing about an individual who (1) is not the subject of the article and (2) died when the subject of the article was a teen. It offered very little context to the life of the subject herself, but there is more appropriate detail offered at Michael Chomiak, Krakivs'ki Visti, and John-Paul Himka, which are described in a later section and clearly have their own articles. My view was Chomiak should be mentioned in the biography around the 2017 era of her career, when he made the news, and later in the personal life section if there is more to cover. Citing (talk) 14:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Citing I'm unconvinced by your reasoning. The question I raised was about inclusion in the lead, not in the biography. There's noting POV-pushing about including something which is literally the main story about Canada in the world at the moment; i.e. Ukrainian Nazis moving to Canada. I have no axe to grind, but I would say that the Canadian Deputy Prime Minister has never graced the pages, or even the consciousness, of most people in the world other than for the fact that her grandfather was a Nazi and she has sought to veil this. I won't make a change unless other editors agree. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 20:15, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the news. Believe it or not, the subject of this article existed before you heard of her. She's well-known for her political career and this is reflected in the reliable sources. Citing (talk) 22:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Can you elborate why we should deviate from WP biography standards in this case? Editors that would like to deviate from it have the burden of proof to show that their RS relevant family members should not be mentioned. Not including it will just lead to more discussions like this in the future. Are you saying you personally don't think he's relevant? Or that RS don't find him relevant to her early history? Regards Iksnyrk (talk) 20:55, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Can you please specify what you're talking about with respect to WP:MOSBIO? The article mentions Chomiak. Citing (talk) 22:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @citing. There's a subjective element to the policies you've referred to. I won't get into wikilawyering here, but suffice to say that it'd probably be best if there's another good-faith opinion beyond me and @Iksnyrk. Across the world, harsh though it may be for Canadians, the subject of this article is best known for her grandfather's Nazi priors and her own priors in respect of seeking to deny it, thereby affecting people possible interpretation of the works cited in the lead. The grandfather should be mentioned in the lead. My opinion, only. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 22:39, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, if you are counting votes, put me down in favor of the present organization of the article. Bruce leverett (talk) 02:34, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @Bruce leverett. That's helpful and at present leaves any change in the balance. It's probably best left for a couple of days to see if others come in and, if no-one does, we can ask other editors for a view. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 07:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I would add that I am skeptical of your claim that Freeland is "best known" for her association with Chomiak. A quick search of the newspaper in my own city (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US) shows an article mentioning Freeland from 2018, and at least one article about the Canadian Speaker of the House inviting a Nazi to Parliament, but no articles about Freeland/Chomiak. Freeland's remark about "Russian disinformation" does not seem to have had much effect on her political career; she subsequently became "Minister of Everything". As a US-based Wikipedia editor, I do not feel like trying to tell the Canadians what's important and what's not important about their politicians. Bruce leverett (talk) 13:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry but that's an outrageous claim you are going to have to back up with evidence—blindlynx 16:21, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I concur. It adds useful contextualization to her career and politics. local friendtalk 18:29, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Duplicative Info & Deviation from Wikipedia Biography Template

This article contains extensive duplicative information in the top portion that deviates from the Wikipedia Biography Template, including but not limited to: details on Freeland's educational majors; excessive detail about a book without literary significance; and excessive descriptions of awards and many other superfluous biological details. Simultaneously, what Freeland is most known for internationally - Freeland's grandfather's role as a Nazi collaborator and her claims that such information were politically-motivated Russian disinformation - is concealed until the very bottom of the article. Freeland's early childhood & family history contains excessive detail about her paternal grandfather - who is not and has never been a matter of international interest - but mentions of Freeland's maternal grandfather are repeatedly scrubbed from any section above the bottom of the page.

Why are edits to include her most famous family member's actions continuously removed? Why are excessive and duplicative details about Freeland's biography included but relevant information about her most cited family member and her allegations of Russian disinformation are repeatedly removed? Within Canada, Freeland may be more known for her political achievements, but globally members of cabinets are not known for the minute details of their political platforms - they are known for their actions that generate global news. In the wake of the Canadian parliament's standing ovation for a Nazi soldier (part of the same Waffen-SS regiment Freeland's grandfather recruited for) - Freeland is most known for her family connections to the Nazi regime and allegations that such ties were disinformation created by a foreign government. Editor85213 (talk) 20:19, 1 October 2023 (UTC)