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:The transcription was already present in the note after his name in the lead. You can find it there. ~ [[User:IvanScrooge98|'''<span style="color:black">Ivan</span><span style="color:gold">Scrooge</span><span style="color:black">98</span>''']] ([[user talk:IvanScrooge98|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 22:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
:The transcription was already present in the note after his name in the lead. You can find it there. ~ [[User:IvanScrooge98|'''<span style="color:black">Ivan</span><span style="color:gold">Scrooge</span><span style="color:black">98</span>''']] ([[user talk:IvanScrooge98|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 22:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

== Spelling style ==
Looking at the spelling style in the article, it was mixed. It seemed most consistent with [[Oxford spelling]], so I labelled it with {{tl|Use Oxford spelling}} and began adjusting it to be more consistent in that direction (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Recep_Tayyip_Erdo%C4%9Fan&diff=1158374062&oldid=1158369246 this diff]). However, it also contained some distinctly [[American spelling]], and a bit of non-Oxford [[British spelling]]. Which variety of English spelling is most used in Turkey? I notice that at least one web page published by the Turkish government ([https://web.archive.org/web/20171208103134/http://www.invest.gov.tr/EN-US/INVESTMENTGUIDE/INVESTORSGUIDE/EMPLOYEESANDSOCIALSECURITY/Pages/TermsOfEmployment.aspx found here]) uses the distinctly American spelling of ''labor''. Another recent government pronouncement ([https://www.mfa.gov.tr/message-by-he-mevlut-cavusoglu--minister-of-foreign-affairs-of-turkiye--on-the-occasion-of-9-may-europe-day.en.mfa found here]) contains both ''finali'''z'''ation'' and ''instrumentali'''s'''ed'' in the same sentence. —⁠ ⁠[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 18:08, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
* {{reply to|BarrelProof}} While the government doesn't seem to have a clear and consistent preference, there's a slight tendency towards using the American spellings. – [[User:Anlztrk|anlztrk]] ([[User talk:Anlztrk#top|talk]]) 10:52, 1 September 2023 (UTC)


== Requested move 1 September 2023 ==
== Requested move 1 September 2023 ==
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== Name in Arabic script ==
== Name in Arabic script ==


His name was presented in Arabic script (loosely transliterates to Tayyab Rajab Erdoan), which was easily readable by most Muslims who can read Arabic script (i.e. the Quran), read and understand English, by default the entire Arabic-speaking world who can speak English and those of the 240 million people of Pakistan who can speak English. I form part of the first group. However, as nearly all of these cannot read Turkish, unless they learn some Turkish, they have no idea what Turkish sounds like phonetically and hence his looks awkward to pronounce. Have not found a discussion covering its removal, but it seems to defy logic to remove a simple three words of text that helped so many, such as myself. Wikipedia should be making texts more accessible, not less. [[User:Furbian|Furbian]] ([[User talk:Furbian|talk]]) 23:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
His name was presented in Arabic script (loosely transliterates to Tayyab Rajab Erdoan), which was easily readable by most Muslims who can read Arabic script (i.e. the Quran), read and understand English, by default the entire Arabic-speaking world who can speak English and those of the 240 million people of Pakistan who can speak English. I form part of the first group. However, as nearly all of these cannot read Turkish, unless they learn some Turkish, they have no idea what Turkish sounds like phonetically and hence it looks awkward to pronounce. Have not found a discussion covering its removal, but it seems to defy logic to remove a simple three word text that helped so many, such as myself. Wikipedia should be making texts more accessible, not less. [[User:Furbian|Furbian]] ([[User talk:Furbian|talk]]) 23:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

== Claims Made in Mayor of Istanbul section ==

Sorry this is my first time making a suggestion on a Wikipedia article, so apologies if I am doing this wrong.

However, I just wanted to point out that in the Mayor of Istanbul section some grand claims are made, including, "The water shortage problem was solved with the laying of hundreds of kilometers of new pipelines. The garbage problem was solved with the establishment of state-of-the-art recycling facilities. While Erdoğan was in office, air pollution was reduced through a plan developed to switch to natural gas. He changed the public buses to environmentally friendly ones. The city's traffic and transportation jams were reduced with more than fifty bridges, viaducts, and highways built. He took precautions to prevent corruption". Having just been to Istanbul, which has more trash than any place I've ever seen and notoriously awful traffic, these claims seem to require plenty of factual support.

However, there is only one source cited, a laudatory note from Columbia to advertise a speaking event Erdogan was giving. This source has no author, is not from an established authority, and makes other seemingly surprising claims which make it seem biased, including the claim that: "Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was sentenced to a prison term because of a poem he recited during a public address in the province of Siirt on December 12, 1997. The poem was quoted from a book published by a state enterprise and one that had been recommended to teachers by the Ministry of Education. He was removed from the office of Istanbul Mayor due to this." Now, this leaves out the fact that the poem included verses which could be viewed as encouraging state support for religious violence.

So, my humble suggestion is that these claims need much more solid evidential proof, and should be removed from the article in the meantime. [[Special:Contributions/185.203.88.187|185.203.88.187]] ([[User talk:185.203.88.187|talk]]) 17:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

:The sentence in the sourced material is correct, and his imprisonment was based on a poem by [[Ziya Gökalp]], whose ideas were crucial to the founding ideology of Turkey, Kemalism, along with all of its contradictions. It was definitely a selective and heavily ideological application of the law.
:I do not share your observations about Istanbul (which is not an accepted source of information on Wikipedia, whether it is mine or yours); I have definitely seen a lot more trash in many other places, and while the traffic is quite bad, that does not contradict the article as traffic can be made better and still not be good per se.
:However, some of these claims could be better substantiated by something more impartial, as you said, and some vague ones can be taken out entirely, such as "preventing corruption". [[User:Uness232|Uness232]] ([[User talk:Uness232|talk]]) 18:21, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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Announcement of reactionary policy on American/Israeli electronic products/services

Did the initial announcement come on the 13th or the 14th of August 2018, and does the proper translation add-up to "products and services" or just "products"? The announcement came through in English by a non-Asian newsmedia on the 14th, but did not mention Israeli electronic products and services.

Phonetic transcription of name?

Could someone with knowledge of Turkish and Turkish orthography please add a phonetic transcription to the lede of this article? - Dπ (talk) 12:54, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The transcription was already present in the note after his name in the lead. You can find it there. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 22:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling style

Looking at the spelling style in the article, it was mixed. It seemed most consistent with Oxford spelling, so I labelled it with {{Use Oxford spelling}} and began adjusting it to be more consistent in that direction (see this diff). However, it also contained some distinctly American spelling, and a bit of non-Oxford British spelling. Which variety of English spelling is most used in Turkey? I notice that at least one web page published by the Turkish government (found here) uses the distinctly American spelling of labor. Another recent government pronouncement (found here) contains both finalization and instrumentalised in the same sentence. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:08, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: WP:SNOWCLOSE. Clear consensus that this page should not be moved, enough said. (closed by non-admin page mover) estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:19, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan → Tayyip Erdoğan – The name 'Recep' is only a forename, can and often is omitted in mentions of him, no other notable Tayyip Erdoğan exists so it's clearly the primary topic and needs no disambiguation. – anlztrk (talk) 11:09, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per others and snow close. Killuminator (talk) 14:44, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. I did not see a source that used Tayyip Erdoğan alone. Parham wiki (talk) 17:42, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move. "Recep" is commonly used as part of his name. O.N.R. (talk) 23:06, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per all above Shadow4dark (talk) 01:28, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2023

Decouple number of foreign visits between Taiwan and China. Effectively, change the number of Erdogan's visits to Taiwan as zero, rather than five visits he has made to mainland China.

Danielfarzan1 (talk) 21:05, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Please make your request for a new image to be uploaded to Files For Upload. Once the file has been properly uploaded, feel free to reactivate this request to have the new image used. Pinchme123 (talk) 14:02, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Name in Arabic script

His name was presented in Arabic script (loosely transliterates to Tayyab Rajab Erdoan), which was easily readable by most Muslims who can read Arabic script (i.e. the Quran), read and understand English, by default the entire Arabic-speaking world who can speak English and those of the 240 million people of Pakistan who can speak English. I form part of the first group. However, as nearly all of these cannot read Turkish, unless they learn some Turkish, they have no idea what Turkish sounds like phonetically and hence it looks awkward to pronounce. Have not found a discussion covering its removal, but it seems to defy logic to remove a simple three word text that helped so many, such as myself. Wikipedia should be making texts more accessible, not less. Furbian (talk) 23:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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