Talk:Women's Rights Party

Notability

Could the notability of this subject please be set out? So far the page has only two sources. The first is written by the subject. The second is a blog that appears not to meet reliability standards. HenryCrun15 (talk) 21:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah this feels vaguely like the party organizers/leaders decided to make their own page to give themselves an air of authenticity and authority. I'm not saying that is absolutely the case, but only two sources (one possibly unreliable and the other possibly not unbiased) is a bit sus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.114.152.250 (talk) 23:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I created this page and can confirm I am not a member or involved with it in any way. The unsigned IP user should remember WP:GOODFAITH. As for sources, this is a new party so will naturally not have much coverage of its activities initially. However it is starting to be reported on by secondary sources such as this article from Stuff mentioning it. Kiwichris (talk) 06:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Kiwichris, it sounds like you acknowledge there are not enough sources currently to establish notability, but that you expect there will be soon. Is that correct? If so, I would not support this article being in mainspace until those sources come into existence. This article I think demonstrates some of the point on why notability requirements exist: without any reliable sources we risk perpetuating misinformation, and without independent sources we can't write a fair and balanced article from a neutral point of view. I recommend moving this article into a draft space until there is at least one reliable source, preferably more. HenryCrun15 (talk) 23:06, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Agreed 203.114.152.250 (talk) 04:00, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Draftification is much mor desirable than a deletion via the PROD. Schwede66 18:34, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

The party applied for registration today. This is almost never refused, so its likely to be registered, and therefore notable, within a month. The process will likely generate media coverage.--IdiotSavant (talk) 22:51, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

And its now registered, so I think there's a presumption of notability. IdiotSavant (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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6Bluedoves (talk) 04:02, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Policy

The policies of the Women’s Rights Party reaffirm women and girls' sex-based rights, and challenge the discrimination we experience from the replacement of the category of sex with that of 'gender identity'.

The Party is committed to ensuring New Zealand legislation reflects our Government's commitment to the Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Discrimination Against Women.

We acknowledge Te Tiriti o Waitangi as Aotearoa New Zealand’s founding document. The Women’s Rights Party advocates for economic and social equity, health and wellbeing of wāhine Māori and their whānau.

The Women’s Rights Party calls for language in policy, law, health, and education to recognise that women and girls are human females, that being female is based on biology, and that motherhood is exclusively female.

The sex-based rights for women guaranteed in the Human Rights Act 19933 must be respected in law and policy, such as the right to single-sex spaces.

The Women’s Rights Party is committed to the rights of lesbians to organise and socialise separately where they wish, recognising that lesbianism is same-sex attraction, not same-gender attraction.

Biological males should not compete in women’s and girl’s sports, and biological females should not play in men’s and boy’s sports, where there are issues of fairness and safety.

Gender is an imprecise concept that refers to sex-based stereotypes and social expectations, Gender identity and expression refer to the identification with, and expression of these stereotypes. The rights of women and children to reject gender stereotypes without discrimination or medical intervention to ‘fix’ them is paramount.

The freedom of speech to question the concept of gender and to assert the sex-based rights of females, is a fundamental human right. It is protected in the Bill of Rights Act 1994, and must not be removed by any legislation, policy or government practice.

Children under 18 should not be given puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, or gender reassignment surgery in order to change the appearance of their biological sex. We will oppose any legislative changes that do not contain age restrictions.

The Women’s Rights Party calls for the repeal of self-identification for determining sex on the birth certificate in the Births, Deaths and Relationships Act 2021. The new law encourages a belief that a man can change his sex at will and enter women’s spaces without being challenged.

If birth certificates include provisions for a “nominated sex”, it needs to be clear that this is the individual’s preferred sex and not biological sex. Clear and accessible records must be kept of any changes to the birth certificate, and this information must also be recorded on the certificate itself.

The Women’s Rights Party will advocate for a review of the Prostitution Reform Act to strengthen protections for women, and advocate for increased powers of prosecution. The party would also advocate for funding to help women who want to leave prostitution.

The Women’s Rights Party opposes commercial surrogacy arrangements due to the potential for exploitation of women and we agree this should remain illegal in New Zealand. We oppose any proposed changes to legislation which would remove the birth mother as the first legal parent in the case of surrogacy.

Protecting women’s and children’s spaces and safety Women and girls have the right to single-sex gatherings for any purpose. This includes the right to women-only social media groups. Single-sex spaces preserve women’s and girls’ safety and dignity. These include, but are not limited to toilets, changing rooms, prisons, refuges, rape crisis centres, saunas, swimming facilities, hospital wards and other facilities.

In particular, school policies should guarantee that all children in schools have the right to privacy from the opposite sex in single-sex spaces, such as toilets and changing rooms.

The Women’s Rights Party opposes the housing of biological males in women’s prisons. The human rights of all women prisoners must be fully respected. We support public funding of refuges providing women-only services.

The Women’s Rights Party opposes pornography, which includes filmed prostitution, rough sex, strangulation, other forms of violence, and sexual abuse.

The Women’s Rights Party is calling for more support for new families, including wrap-around services for vulnerable mothers and their babies. We recognise the links between poverty and child protection, and support action on strategies to alleviate poverty.

Midwifery and maternity services must retain words such as “mother”, “woman” and “breastfeeding”. Maternity services should be adequately resourced and funded to ensure quality, affordable provision for all.

We support a review and extension of paid maternity leave from six to 12 months, and entitlement of women’s partners to paid leave at the time of the birth.

The Women’s Rights Party calls for the Ministry of Education’s Relationships and Sexuality Education to be replaced with guidelines that recognise the primacy of biological sex. Schools should not use resources that conflate the words, “sex” and “gender” or confuse sexual orientation and gender.

The Women’s Rights Party advocates for income support while raising our children or caring for our elders, recognising that mothering and caring is work and contributes to society.

The Party also calls for access to quality, affordable (or free) childcare, with qualified and fairly paid staff available to all who need it. To that end, the Women’s Rights Party supports a complete review of the current for-profit Early Childhood Education sector to ensure it meets the needs of women and their children.

Women’s health services, including cervical smears and breast screening, must be free and easily available to all women.

Quality housing is a priority and should be affordable and available for all. Women, due to low income over their lifetime, career breaks to raise children, and disadvantage following relationship breakdowns, are negatively affected by housing insecurity as we age.

https://womensrightsparty.nz/policy/

 Not done Wikipedia doesn't print the policy statements of any political parties. We already link to your website, and we might reference reputable third parties which cover and analyse the policies.-gadfium 04:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

"according to the Women's Rights Party"

Citations 1 2 and 3 do not support the Women's Rights Party saying this. Two of them support that violence was perpetrated toward women, but do not mention the Women's Rights Party at all. The third is an unreliable source about the existence of the Women's Rights Party, written from a POV outsider perspective, not the WRP perspective, and also does not mention the Women's Rights Party saying that violence was perpetrated.

To support the assertion that "according to the Women's Rights Party, violence was perpetrated on women" you would need to source the Women's Rights Party making a statement about this. Currently linked evidence supports that violence was perpetrated but not that the Women's Rights Party has spoken about this.

Suggest simply removing "according to the Women's Rights Party," or finding a source that actually supports that they said this. 219.89.55.17 (talk) 01:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

assertions about transgender people,

I am not sure that a biography of Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull is required in this post. It appears it was the police and political response to her visit - thugs veto, preventing the event from happening, incitement to violence by members of the Green Party towards Keen-Minshull ahead of the visit and the political response by Michael Wood the Prime Minister and others that were the primary cause of the formation of the party. I recall this from the time and am seekig suitable sources. However her 'assertions about transgender people' really does need to be sourced in context, with credible references if it is to remain in the article. Swannieriv (talk) 23:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. This article is supposed to be about the party, but is devolving into an attack page against Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull. She is not a member of the party and I can find no evidence of her having any involvement with it. The founders merely founded it in response to the lack of any political response to her attempted speech in Auckland. The party has a life of its own beyond this one event. Kiwichris (talk) 02:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Human Rights Act protections removed from the article

I do not think that the assertion that transwomen belong under the rubric of sex is correct. If that were valid the case why has Elizabether Kerekere introduced a bill to include gender identity under the Human Rights Act? And why is the Law Commission investigating the impacts of this inclusion with a view to releasing a discussion paper in 2024 Why has the HRC commission recently issued advice that its own advice on the HRA is not if fact legal advice see https://twitter.com/SpeakUp4WomenNZ/status/1685892470712967169. The writer is relying on the previous stance of the Human Rights Commission. I will reinstate that information. Swannieriv (talk) 08:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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Merrymirthful (talk) 04:23, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Change "single sex spaces" to single sex spaces. It's not something that should be put in quotations.

 Not done. It's in quotes because the party believes trans women are not women, but Wikipedia separates itself from that belief.-gadfium 04:34, 14 October 2023 (UTC)