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20th Century Studios films released by Walt Disney Pictures from Diary of a Wimpy Kid in 2021 to Night at the Museum Kahmunrah Rises Again in 2022

Home Sweet Home Alone, which was released on November 12, 2021, and it became the first and only film released by 20th Century Studios on Disney+, as subsequent projects were transferred over to Walt Disney Pictures. However, Night at the Museum: Kahmunrah Rises Again became 20th Century Studios' fourth and last film released by Walt Disney Pictures before subsequent projects were transferred back to 20th Century Studios just like the Hulu original films. Animation134 (talk) 17:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Distribution

The lead statement Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures distributes and markets the films produced by 20th Century Studios is incorrect. To start off, the Deadline source ([1]) doesn't even say this. It says: Post-merger, Fox Searchlight, now re-branded Searchlight Pictures, enjoys a lot of autonomy in the Disney empire, greenlighting pics they know and operating their own distribution, publicity and marketing teams. 20th Century Studios (which recently dropped the Fox) was melded into the bigger Disney fold, fusing all its operations. Nowhere in that paragraph does it indicate that 20th Century films are being distributed by Disney, only that its operations were merged into Disney and that Searchlight would retain its autonomy. Secondly, this is not correct, as evidenced by Disney's press releases ([2], [3]) and the fact that none of 20th's films even credit Disney at the end (unlike Marvel and Lucasfilm productions). I brought this issue up at Talk:Ron's Gone Wrong#Disney back in January, but since then I've observed an uptick in editors trying to change this on several other articles (Free Guy, Avatar 2, Dark Phoenix, New Mutants, and most recently Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes). InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Update: I've dug up an RfC from back in 2019 about this. That discussion was about films distributed by Fox before its rebranding as 20th Century Studios, but the consensus should still apply. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:25, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Also, a fifth reason, Box Office Mojo still lists all 20th Century Studios as being distributed (domestically, at least) by 20th Century Studios, not Disney. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:49, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Another Distribution Kerfufle again...

Look I know there has been edit wars alot about Disney distrubuting 20th Century stuff but I just don't understand. Even the pages say "Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures distributes and markets the films produced by 20th Century Studios" yet no one removed it and the previous person said it is incorrect and even the movies 20th does never mention "Distrubuted by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures" so for every movie 20th does are we not gonnna mention Disney at all its as if people still think 20th Century is a seperate studio instead of being owned by Disney. NakhlaMan (talk) 07:34, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

No, we're not going to mention Disney. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:45, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Any reason why? NakhlaMan (talk) 08:54, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Per the four five reasons I very clearly outline in the section above (#Distribution). InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Examples for introduction

I revised the list of examples to use the list of franchises from an article. It's basically the same as the list of franchises from before. And rather than list out every single individual movie and television show, I picked a single example for each: Titanic (highest-grossing movie of all time for 12 years as well as an Academy Award for Best Picture winner) and The Simpsons (the longest running scripted American television show of all time and it was also mentioned in the title of the article). Daniel Quinlan (talk) 23:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Note that the article only mentions Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope because the other Star Wars movies in the original six films were already sold to Disney as part of Lucasfilms, but I used the broader "six films" for the introduction because the list of examples isn't about the acquisition. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 23:13, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

What is not on the list is Anastasia (1997) because it is not particularly notable from the standpoint of box office numbers, awards, or being a significant franchise. I mention this movie specifically because someone keeps adding it back and refuses to discuss it. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 05:41, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mediafan200: @InfiniteNexus: @Soetermans: Pinging a few people who have edited this article or participated on the talk page previously. I'm hoping to get some consensus on the list. Thanks. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 05:43, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree that Anastasia doesn't need to be on the list. Your revised list was fine. Mediafan200 (talk) 15:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Just pick the most notable from List of highest-grossing films and List of highest-grossing media franchises. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:35, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Based on a "highest-grossing" criteria, we should list these franchises:

• first six Star Wars movies: billions (well over any threshold we set)
• X-Men: $6.9 billion
• Ice Age: $6.42 billion
• Avatar: $5.78 billion
• The Simpsons: $4.9 billion (only TV franchise that makes the list of highest-grossing media franchises)
• Planet of the Apes: ​$2.27 billion

As far as films go, Titanic and The Sound of Music are both in the top 10 for inflation-adjusted box office. Cleopatra "only" made $421 million adjusted for inflation so I think it misses the cut. (I checked every movie listed in the cited Independent article.)

Comparing that to Special:Permalink/1181570167, it suggests we should:

• remove Die Hard, Alien, Predator, Independence Day, and Kingsman
• add The Sound of Music

Digging a bit deeper, the worldwide box office for several additional franchises:

• Die Hard: $1,440,546,330
• Alien: $1,352,383,883
• Independence Day: $1,207,082,826
• Kingsman: $951,151,686
• Home Alone: $914,762,040
• Predator: $443,164,018

None of those are even close to Planet of the Apes so I'm content to leave them off the list. I'd suggest we agree on a minimum box-office cut-off. I'd suggest $2B if we want the above more compact list or $1B if we want to include several additional franchises. I'm fine with either approach. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 21:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

$2B for franchises and maybe $400m + Academy Award for Best Picture win or nomination for non franchise films? Mediafan200 (talk) 21:26, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd rather not include nominations as any part of the criteria, especially because the number of nominees has varied over time and started increasing significantly in 2009. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I think box office is the easiest, most accurate, and most objective criterion we can use. To keep the lead brief and emphasize only the most notable properties, I agree with keeping the cut-off at $2B. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:02, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Anastasia was a box office hit.