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Tech News: 2023-38

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• MediaWiki now has a stable interface policy for frontend code that more clearly defines how we deprecate MediaWiki code and wiki-based code (e.g. gadgets and user scripts). Thank you to everyone who contributed to the content and discussions. [1][2]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 September. It will be on all wikis from 21 September (calendar).
• All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 20. This is planned at 14:00 UTC. [3]
• All wikis will have a link in the sidebar that provides a short URL of that page, using the Wikimedia URL Shortener. [4]

Future changes

• The team investigating the Graph Extension posted a proposal for reenabling it and they need your input.

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MediaWiki message delivery 19:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

New pages patrol newsletter

Hello JPxG,

New Page Review article queue, March to September 2023

Backlog update: At the time of this message, there are 11,300 articles and 15,600 redirects awaiting review. This is the highest backlog in a long time. Please help out by doing additional reviews!

October backlog elimination drive: A one-month backlog drive for October will start in one week! Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles and redirects patrolled. Articles will earn 4x as many points compared to redirects. You can sign up here.

PageTriage code upgrades: Upgrades to the PageTriage code, initiated by the NPP open letter in 2022 and actioned by the WMF Moderator Tools Team in 2023, are ongoing. More information can be found here. As part of this work, the Special:NewPagesFeed now has a new version in beta! The update leaves the NewPagesFeed appearance and function mostly identical to the old one, but updates the underlying code, making it easier to maintain and helping make sure the extension is not decommissioned due to maintenance issues in the future. You can try out the new Special:NewPagesFeed here - it will replace the current version soon.

Notability tip: Professors can meet WP:PROF #1 by having their academic papers be widely cited by their peers. When reviewing professor articles, it is a good idea to find their Google Scholar or Scopus profile and take a look at their h-index and number of citations. As a very rough rule of thumb, for most fields, articles on people with a h-index of twenty or more, a first-authored paper with more than a thousand citations, or multiple papers each with more than a hundred citations are likely to be kept at AfD.

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Enabling collapsible templates on the mobile site

Thanks for leaving a comment in the discussion section of Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC: Enabling collapsible templates on the mobile site! Your comment kind of sounded like a vote, but you didn't respond in the survey section so I'm unsure if your comment will be counted as a vote. If this was your intention that's fine, you're not obligated to vote.
Note on transparency: if someone posts a vote-like comment that seems like it was possibly intended to go into the survey section, I'll contact the user in question after a few days whether the potential vote is a support or oppose. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 22:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Sun Oct 1: NYC Hispanic/Latinx Heritage Month 2023

October 1: Hispanic/Latinx Heritage Month 2023: Edit-a-thon!

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our Hispanic/Latinx Heritage Month 2023: Edit-a-thon!, with in-person at Prime Produce Guild Hall in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan. It is being held in the middle of National Hispanic Heritage Month (Sep 15–Oct 15). Some past local edit-a-thons touching on this area have included the two editions of Wikipedia:Meetup/WikiArte at MoMA in 2015-16, and the CUNY LaGuardia translat-a-thons held annually since 2018. Meeting info: Sunday, October 1 Hispanic/Latinx Heritage Month 2023: Edit-a-thon! (optional RSVP on-wiki). 1:00 pm – 5:00 pm (Prime Produce Guild Hall, Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan) Alternatively, you can sign up for the edit-a-thon on Eventbrite. All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's Code of Conduct. In addition, to participate in person, you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate.

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Tech News: 2023-39

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The Vector 2022 skin will now remember the pinned/unpinned status for the Table of Contents for all logged-out users. [5]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 September. It will be on all wikis from 28 September (calendar).
• The ResourceLoader mediawiki.ui modules are now deprecated as part of the move to Vue.js and Codex. There is a guide for migrating from MediaWiki UI to Codex for any tools that use it. More details are available in the task and your questions are welcome there.
• Gadget definitions will have a new "namespaces" option. The option takes a list of namespace IDs. Gadgets that use this option will only load on pages in the given namespaces.

Future changes

• New variables will be added to AbuseFilter: global_account_groups and global_account_editcount. They are available only when an account is being created. You can use them to prevent blocking automatic creation of accounts when users with many edits elsewhere visit your wiki for the first time. [6][7]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Wikipedia mobile apps teams. During the meeting, we will discuss the current features and future roadmap. The meeting will be on 27 October at 17:00 (UTC). See details and how to join.

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MediaWiki message delivery 16:49, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

TheWikiWizard - September 2023

Hello, JPxG! Here is the September 2023 for the TheWikiWizard!

Wiki(p/m)edia News

• On the EN Wikipedia, there were 4 successful RFAs between the period of July and September! Congrats to the candidates! Also on Simple English Wikipedia, they had 1 successful RFA in August!
• For those wondering why you were unable to edit for a period of time on 20th September, there was a server testing going on. You can follow the link to read more. We will always inform you here if one of these kinds of tests is going to take place, or has taken place. You can also head on over to the Meta Wiki main page, information on these kinds of tests will always be displayed there.
• Did you know you that Wikimedia Commons has monthly photo challenges? You can check out more here!
• The USA has viewed Wikipedia 4 Billion times in August!
• The Talysh Wikipedia was recently created!

Humor

• It's almost fall again! (or is it already?) Don't fall on fallen leaves!
• One moment it's raining, the next its too hot. Welcome to fall!

Editor's Notes

• Quite a bit has happened since our last issue! Thanks for your patience during our gap of inactivity between issues!
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Tech News: 2023-40

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There is a new user preference for "Always enable safe mode". This setting will make pages load without including any on-wiki JavaScript or on-wiki stylesheet pages. It can be useful for debugging broken JavaScript gadgets. [8]
• Gadget definitions now have a new "contentModels" option. The option takes a list of page content models, like wikitext or css. Gadgets that use this option will only load on pages with the given content models.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 October. It will be on all wikis from 5 October (calendar).

Future changes

• The Vector 2022 skin will no longer use the custom styles and scripts of Vector legacy (2010). The change will be made later this year or in early 2024. See how to adjust the CSS and JS pages on your wiki. [9]

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MediaWiki message delivery 01:25, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

The Signpost: 3 October 2023

• News and notes: Wikimedia Endowment financial statement published

• In the media: History is written by whoever can harness the most editors

• Recent research: Readers prefer ChatGPT over Wikipedia; concerns about limiting "anyone can edit" principle "may be overstated"

• Featured content: By your logic,

• Concept: Wikipedia policies from other worlds: WP:NOANTLERS

• Poetry: "The Sight"

• Traffic report: There shall be no slaves in the land of lands, it's a Bollywood jam

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2023).

Administrator changes

Hey man im josh

• Alex Bakharev
• CorbieVreccan
• Cyphoidbomb
• Davodd
• Hog Farm
• JamesR
• KnightLago
• Mark Ironie
• Nosebagbear (deceased)
• Rschen7754
• Tamzin
• TonyBallioni

CheckUser changes

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• Ferret
• RickinBaltimore

• TonyBallioni
• Worm That Turned

Oversighter changes

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• TonyBallioni
• Worm That Turned

Guideline and policy news

• An RfC is open regarding amending the paid-contribution disclosure policy to add the following text: Any administrator soliciting clients for paid Wikipedia-related consulting or advising services not covered by other paid-contribution rules must disclose all clients on their userpage.

Technical news

• Administrators can now choose to add the user's user page to their watchlist when changing the usergroups for a user. This works both via Special:UserRights and via the API. (T272294)

Arbitration

• Remedy 9 ("MarioProtIV topic ban") of the WikiProject Tropical Cyclones case has been rescinded.

Miscellaneous

• The 2023 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process has concluded with the appointment of one new CheckUser.
• Self-nominations for the electoral commission for the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections opens on 2 October and closes on 8 October.

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October 2023

Hello, I'm JPxG. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to User:Zhang He—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. jp×g 23:59, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

I do believe my contribution was justified...

BUT just to be clear I would be more than happy and interested to discuss!

I removed two ideology markers from the article on the South African political party, Economic Freedom Fighters. I understand some contributions may be controversial but I do earnestly believe that their inclusion in the infobox section is a mistake and a violation of wikipedias NPOV policy including some very specific guidance listed in the policy. I think it's essential that the topics that their inclusion intend to get at are discussed, it's just that in my understanding of the NPOV policy, those characterizations, as clearly controversial as they are, are best left discussed in the Criticisms and controversies section.

I have a more detailed run down of specifically what part of the NPOV policy I believe the infobox is currently in violation of in a post on the talk page for the Economic Freedom Fighters.

I would appreciate discussion on this topic and if there was a better or more constructive way I could have made the edit, I would also love to know. Thank you! Transvex (talk) 11:03, 9 October 2023 (UTC)transvex

@Transvex: The diff here removed what seemed to be reliable references, so I reverted. I do not intend to revert further on that; reading the article now I see that the issue is quite complicated, and at the very least more complicated than can be addressed while recent-changes patrolling. I see that you made a talk page section, which I think is the appropriate way to build consensus; there's nothing wrong with your actions here (making a couple bold edits, getting reverted, and then opening a talk page section). I'm not very well-versed on the politics of that region, so I can't say whether your points are reasonable or whether I agree with them, but at least on the surface it appears like you did the right thing here (although on a subject as controversial as this you might want to just start with the talk page section first). jp×g 01:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Alternate realities

Love the antlers essay. I felt like I'm somewhere about the midpoint of a new Terry Gilliam script when I read it. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:27, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I had fun. jp×g 22:22, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-41

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• One new wiki has been created: a Wikipedia in Fon (w:fon:) [10]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 October. It will be on all wikis from 12 October (calendar).
• Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" (Swahili Wikipedia, Walloon Wikipedia, Waray Wikipedia, Wolof Wikipedia, Kalmyk Wikipedia, Xhosa Wikipedia, Mingrelian Wikipedia, Yiddish Wikipedia, Yoruba Wikipedia, Zhuang Wikipedia, Zeelandic Wikipedia, Min Nan Wikipedia, Zulu Wikipedia). This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally. [11]
• At some wikis, newcomers are suggested images from Commons to add to articles without any images. Starting on Tuesday, newcomers at these wikis will be able to add images to unillustrated article sections. The specific wikis are listed under "Images recommendations" at the Growth team deployment table. You can learn more about this feature. [12]
• In the mobile web skin (Minerva) the CSS ID #page-actions will be replaced with #p-views. This change is to make it consistent with other skins and to improve support for gadgets and extensions in the mobile skin. A few gadgets may need to be updated; there are details and search-links in the task.

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MediaWiki message delivery 14:37, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Nerve

Hello, you messaged regarding a deletion of an erroneously labeled image for "Nerve." An edit summary was made. The figure has incorrect labels (for example perineurium is incorrectly labeled). Etc. 152.79.36.228 (talk) 20:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@152.79.36.228: If there's an issue with the labels, the image itself is on Commons (Commons:File:1319_Nerve_StructureN.jpg) so it's possible to request a modification or a fix. I mean, I'd be willing to edit the image and fix it myself with more specific information about what's wrong and what needs to be changed. jp×g 01:27, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Charles Waterstreet - October 2023

Hi there,

You removed my additions to the Charles Waterstreet wikipedia page because I didn't cite reliable sources. Could you help me understand why the sources I cited weren't considered reliable? I cited the New Matilda, which is an Australian news website, for detail on Sarah Knight's allegations of harrassment. I also cited Honi Soit, the University of Sydney student paper, for details about a protest organized by University of Sydney students. If there are other sources I should be using, please let me know. The New Matilda broke the story of harrassment allegations against Charles Waterstreet; is there an issue with their reporting? What news outlets should I cite instead? Or did I just have too few citations? Regards, Malifee (talk) 11:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

There are huge paragraphs of stuff in there that contained rather dire implications about a living person and didn't have any citations at all. Specifically, the stuff like this:

:In these further 2018 allegations, Ms Knight claimed that although she was being interviewed for a position at Mr. Waterstreet's firm, four other people attended the interview, including a client. She further claimed that Mr Waterstreet introduced this client as a "porn star" and made reference to the size of the client's penis. She alleged that before the beginning of the interview, Mr Waterstreet conducted a phone call with a distressed client on loudspeaker in front of her and the four others, while "holding back laughter".

BLPs have higher standards than any other type of article, and controversial claims in BLPs even more so; I don't think it's reasonable to write all of this and not have any inline or paragraph citations (and, for what it's worth, the idea of citing several long paragraphs of this to a single article seems like a WP:DUE issue, but that's not an issue for recent changes patrol). jp×g 19:36, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

October 2023

Hello. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Joshua Miller (Rhode Island politician)—because it appeared politically motivated. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thanks! 2604:3D08:778A:2400:4866:FFE4:B6E3:80A3 (talk) 03:20, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Robyn Hood

You reverted me, apparently not noticing that my change was a revert of an unexplained removal of a section. --91.5.106.161 (talk) 14:26, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Actually you rollbacked me. Why? --91.5.106.161 (talk) 14:28, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

This addition seemed bad to me because it was introducing a new section, with negative claims. Per what I can tell, user ratings from IMDB are not supposed to be used in articles. On one hand, WP:IMDB and Wikipedia:Citing IMDb are essays, but they do attempt to record a summary of consensus. I personally think this is silly, but it is what it is. jp×g 19:19, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi JPxG, I think this was an error, right? Reinstating an unsourced bit about IMDb user reviews without reliable sourcing isn't appropriate. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 19:15, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

@Soetermans: Yeah, I am trying to figure out what the deal is. I self-reverted to let it stay while I read up on it. I'm still not sure what actual consensus about IMDB user reviews are; like I say above, the two things that come up when you try to search for it are just random essays. jp×g 19:19, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response! I'm mostly involved in WP:VG and edit video game articles, occasionally people try to add a mention of a particularly low or particularly high user review (case in point: Eternights), consensus there is that we need a reliable, independent source to comment on those user reviews, like in the case of Mass Effect 3. So just a mention of IMDb isn't appropriate. Just pointing to IMDb isn't enough. And probably also because there have been a total of two episodes aired so far!. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 19:48, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Reasons for edits

If you want to know why someone made an edit, you can start by reading the edit summaries. Then, if you still don't understand, ask on the article talk page, or the user's talk page. Reverting for no reason and asking in the edit summary is ridiculous and disruptive. 217.195.251.12 (talk) 04:31, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

I saw your edit summary, which was a vague handwave at WP:TRIVIA: I'm asking why you think this applies here. As far as I can tell, you removed an entire section because its section heading read "miscellaneous".

The coat of arms of Leiden is two red keys, crossed in an X-shape on a white background. These keys are the Keys of Heaven held by St. Peter, for whom a large church in the city centre is named. Because of this coat of arms, Leiden is referred to as the "Sleutelstad" ("the key city").

This had an inline citation, even -- and clearly related to the subject of the article. You're saying there's absolutely nowhere whatsoever in the rest of the article that this could have gone? jp×g 04:44, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

KAME-HAAA-MEEE-BARNSTARRR!!!!

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TESCREAL

Hello,

I think that if you disagree about the notability of TESCREAL then the better would be to open a deletion process, which gives better opportunity for other people to weight in the discussion. A redirection is too much of a silent deletion. JoaquimCebuano (talk) 19:26, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Addressed at talk page. jp×g 02:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Signpost templates in Wikipedia:Database reports/Unused templates

Hey, do you know if Template:Signpost disclaimer and Template:Signpost assignments are used and needed anywhere? Gonnym (talk) 07:31, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Gonnym: No -- that is a good catch. I thought I had gotten all of the unused Signpost templates a while back. I will move them to the boneyard of historic pages, thanks for pointing these out. jp×g 22:13, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Wiki.NYC Pavilion for Open House New York (Oct 21–22) and Wikidata Day (Oct 29)

October 21–22: Wiki.NYC Pavilion for Open House New York @ Prime Produce
Prime Produce You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our Wiki.NYC Pavilion for Open House New York at Prime Produce in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan. The event will feature several interactive exhibits highlighting the "wiki way" for New York City Saturday, October 21 & Sunday, October 22 (optional RSVP on-wiki). 10:00 am – 6:30 pm (come by any time, either or both days!) Prime Produce Guild Hall, Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan
October 29: Wikidata Day in New York City
2023 Wikidata Day NYC flyer Additionally, you are invited to Wikidata Day in New York City at Butler Library, Columbia University, in celebration of Wikidata's 11th birthday. This coincides with the online/global WikidataCon 2023 and is a sequel to Wikidata Day 2022. The event will feature a Harlem Arts & Culture edit-a-thon, spotlight sessions, lightning talks, and cake! Sunday, October 29, 2023 Wikidata Day in New York City (RSVP required on Eventbrite and optional on-wiki). 11:00 am – 5:15 pm Butler Library (Room 203), 535 West 114th Street, Morningside Heights RSVP off-wiki is required! See the event page for a tentative schedule. At both events, all attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's Code of Conduct. In addition, to participate in person, you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate.

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