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Correct link

p44.pdf (centerforinquiry.org) please correct it. 2A02:14F:179:8861:1CB3:BDE4:2338:CB9B (talk) 20:47, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edit by 5Q5

This edit by 5Q5 was rather strange, the user added to the article Kulagina won the "paranormal side of the case" [1]. The source listed does not use wording like this. This is a bad case of WP:OR. Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An unsurprising reversion, frankly, as it maintains the article on Nina Kulagina (a name she never used) as one of the longest-running, most biased, defamatory biographies of a deceased person on Wikipedia. Accusations of fraud in the article made against her using fourth- and fifth-party sources renders them unreliable Wikipedia:Hearsay. To wit: 1. Unnamed Russian scientist(s) who themselves may be passing along unsubstantiated rumor(s) or Soviet propaganda. > 2. Russian reporter > 3. Translation from Russian into English. 4. Martin Gardner (who never met Kulagina) > 5. Two book authors parroting Gardner. The cited Randi source actually says she won the defamation case, not a partial victory. I expect a future generation of editors will correct this unethical article. For now, there is no point in trying unless and until someone writes an unbiased mainstream biography that can be used as a source. 5Q5|^✉ 14:30, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Revision as of 20:57, 26 November 2023 edit Psychologist Guy (talk \| contribs) Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users 53,775 edits →Correct link ← Previous edit		Revision as of 14:30, 27 November 2023 edit undo 5Q5 (talk \| contribs) Extended confirmed users 4,973 edits →Edit by 5Q5: Response. Next edit →
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	This edit by 5Q5 was rather strange, the user added to the article Kulagina won the "paranormal side of the case" [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nina_Kulagina&diff=prev&oldid=1182305055]. The source listed does not use wording like this. This is a bad case of [[WP:OR]]. [[User:Psychologist Guy\|Psychologist Guy]] ([[User talk:Psychologist Guy\|talk]]) 20:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)		This edit by 5Q5 was rather strange, the user added to the article Kulagina won the "paranormal side of the case" [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nina_Kulagina&diff=prev&oldid=1182305055]. The source listed does not use wording like this. This is a bad case of [[WP:OR]]. [[User:Psychologist Guy\|Psychologist Guy]] ([[User talk:Psychologist Guy\|talk]]) 20:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
			:An unsurprising reversion, frankly, as it maintains the article on Nina Kulagina (a name she never used) as one of the longest-running, most biased, defamatory biographies of a deceased person on Wikipedia. Accusations of fraud in the article made against her using fourth- and fifth-party sources renders them unreliable [[Wikipedia:Hearsay]]. To wit: 1. Unnamed Russian scientist(s) who themselves may be passing along unsubstantiated rumor(s) or Soviet propaganda. > 2. Russian reporter > 3. Translation from Russian into English. 4. Martin Gardner (who never met Kulagina) > 5. Two book authors parroting Gardner. The cited Randi source actually says she won the defamation case, not a partial victory. I expect a future generation of editors will correct this unethical article. For now, there is no point in trying unless and until someone writes an unbiased mainstream biography that can be used as a source. <span style="background:#8FF;border:solid 1px;border-radius:8px;box-shadow:darkgray 4px 4px 4px;padding:1px 4px 0px 4px;">[[User:5Q5\|<span style="font-family:arial;color:#DC143C;"><b>5Q5</b></span>]]\|[[User talk:5Q5\|<sup>✉</sup>]]</span> 14:30, 27 November 2023 (UTC)