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name

How do you pronounce her name? Like "Ha-cho"?

You know, that's a good question. Most Harjos in my family say it like in English, "Har Joe". Really, the word in Creek is Haco, which might be pronounced Hacho or Hajo. Apparently a regional dialect variation in our language is to slip in a few phantom w's and r's in certain words. For example, I've heard cēpvnē, boy, pronounced like "chewbon" instead of "jeebanee" (by my Uncle Sonny). There is, technically, no Enlish "R" in Creek--that character represents the sound "thl"--but, nevertheless, I've heard it creep in on the ends of vowels. So the answer, to cut to it, is that it is probably "Har Joe", but I'd like independent confirmation of that. I've emailed her website on another matter, but have not heard back yet. -- Bruce H. McCosar 12:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

She pronounces her name "Harjo" (HAR-joe), as does Suzan Shown Harjo, Ben Harjo, Sharon Ahtone Harjo, etc. To hear her own voice, this video begins with her introducing herself and also explaining how her name came from Hacho: Youtube: Joy Harjo on Jim Lehrer -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

The link to the interview with Jim Lehrer doesn't work. Here's a link to the PBS site. The video doesn't seem to work, but there is a transcript.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-poet-laureate-joy-harjo-on-opening-a-doorway-of-hope-for-indigenous-artists — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1DE0:8FB0:4139:3DEF:387C:33DA (talk) 04:28, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

queer

is she not queer? and if she is, why is this not mentioned?

^To the above,

Joy Harjo is currently married and in a heterosexual relationship, if your query is regarding her sexuality. This very fact is not mentioned in her article because it is neither note worthy or relevant. I suppose literary contributions to works with homosexual themes fueled your incorrect and offensive assumption, but this is not the case. Further, queer is typically understood and absorbed as a pejorative term. The terms homosexual or gay would be more appropriate and more widely accessible in this encyclopedic setting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakemcsparin (talk • contribs) 06:27, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Editing to improve language and coherence

I have done extensive copy editing to try to improve the English and style of this article throughout. I deleted sections that seem too "peacock" (she received many awards, etc., she is highly praised, highly thought of - give facts and cites.)Parkwells (talk) 18:48, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Use of sources

While there are academic sources appearing at the bottom of the article, many cites refer to unsubstantiated blogs (some of which do not have a high quality of writing, so give readers little reason to rely on them) and Harjo's own website, a practice that is discouraged by Wikipedia MOS. Editors should concentrate on using Reliable Sources, preferably academic and mainstream journals and media.Parkwells (talk) 18:48, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Should her Tulsa post be added?

Would someone who knows how to edit well like to add her post in Tulsa?

https://pitchfork.com/news/poet-joy-harjo-named-bob-dylan-centers-first-artist-in-residence/

"Poet Joy Harjo Named Bob Dylan Center’s First Artist-in-Residence. U.S. poet laureate (and Tulsa native) begins her six-year tenure when the center opens on May 10 2022."

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An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Tobacco Origin Story and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 13#Tobacco Origin Story until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. BarleyButt (talk) 18:04, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Self-identified Cherokee and Chickasaw ancestry

Joy Harjo claims that her mother was of Cherokee descent, but this seems questionable. She says that neither her mother nor her maternal grandmother were enrolled. I checked the Dawes Rolls for her mother's parents Desmond Baker and Leona Mae Evans. Neither is listed. Her great-grandmother (Leona's mother) was named Lena Evans. There is no Lena Evans listed as Cherokee on the Dawes Rolls, only a Muscogee Lena Evans. Harjo claims that she found her great-grandmother's marriage certificate to a man named Tom Christian, so she guesses that Tom was her great-grandfather, and says he was enrolled as Chickasaw. There is a Tom Christian listed on the Dawes Rolls as Chickasaw. This isn't enough information to list her as a legitimate Cherokee descendant. I don't even think it's enough information to list her as a legit Chickasaw descendant, given that she only "guesses" that Tom Christian was her biological great-grandfather. She seems a bit more confident of this in her 2021 memoir Poet Warrior, claiming Tom Christian as her maternal great-grandfather. She also claims that she found a "Cherokee Nation marriage certificate" for Lena Evans. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:00, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Joy Harjo's inspiration

Why was Joy inspired by Simon J. Ortiz? 68.233.28.194 (talk) 01:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 ==Self-identified Cherokee and Chickasaw ancestry==
 Joy Harjo [https://voicesofoklahoma.com/interviews/harjo-joy/ claims] that her mother was of [[Cherokee descent]], but this seems questionable. She says that neither her mother nor her maternal grandmother were enrolled. I checked the Dawes Rolls for her mother's parents Desmond Baker and Leona Mae Evans. Neither is listed. Her great-grandmother (Leona's mother) was named Lena Evans. There is no Lena Evans listed as Cherokee on the Dawes Rolls, only a Muscogee [https://www.okhistory.org/research/dawesresults?fname=Lena&lname=Evans&tribe=&rollnum=&cardnum=&action=Search Lena Evans]. Harjo claims that she found her great-grandmother's marriage certificate to a man named Tom Christian, so she guesses that Tom was her great-grandfather, and says he was enrolled as Chickasaw. There is a [https://www.okhistory.org/research/dawesresults?fname=Tom&lname=Christian&tribe=&rollnum=&cardnum=&action=Search Tom Christian] listed on the Dawes Rolls as Chickasaw. This isn't enough information to list her as a legitimate Cherokee descendant. I don't even think it's enough information to list her as a legit Chickasaw descendant, given that she only "guesses" that Tom Christian was her biological great-grandfather. She seems a bit more confident of this in her 2021 memoir [https://books.google.com/books?id=Ez4fEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT86&lpg=PT86&dq=%22Tom+Christian%22+%22Joy+Harjo%22&source=bl&ots=FSzOs7NXuC&sig=ACfU3U1czY_oTc_619EHqjb3Bp-zHbFc2Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjH9P6LwNGAAxVETDABHU_UCQcQ6AF6BAgdEAM#v=onepage&q=%22Tom%20Christian%22%20%22Joy%20Harjo%22&f=false Poet Warrior], claiming Tom Christian as her maternal great-grandfather. She also claims that she found a "Cherokee Nation marriage certificate" for Lena Evans. [[User:Bohemian Baltimore|Bohemian Baltimore]] ([[User talk:Bohemian Baltimore|talk]]) 07:00, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
+== Joy Harjo's inspiration  ==
+Why was Joy inspired by Simon J. Ortiz? [[Special:Contributions/68.233.28.194|68.233.28.194]] ([[User talk:68.233.28.194|talk]]) 01:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)