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On romanization of '조희대'

@Aviram7, @Annh07 Name of the 17th South Korean supreme court chief justice is described as '조희대' in Korean character, and there are some confusing examples on romanization of his name. This problem stems as South Korean government does not compel Revised Romanization of Korean to name of each individual South Korean person, so it should be addressed as respecting each person's own romanization of his or her Korean name.

In this manner, it is certain that '조희대' himself makes romanization of his name as 'Jo Hee-de' as 'Jo' for '조(family name)' and 'Hee-de(or Heede)' for '희대(first name)', since every affiliated institutions recognized his name in English as 'Jo Hee-de' or 'Jo Heede', as two examples below. Other contradicting news articles describing romanization of '조희대' as 'Cho hee-dae' is just a article made by lazy, irresponsible reporter who merely translated '조희대' according to Revised Romanization of Korean, without looking for official romanization of his own name.

Emeraldwood (talk) 02:38, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 December 2023

The request to rename this article to Cho Hee-dae has been carried out.

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Jo Hee-de → Cho Hee-dae – Per WP:COMMONNAME, the proposed title is far more common in English language sources than the current title. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:49, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose. I am not sure whether 'Cho Hee-dae' is truly a commonname in reliable English sources. Please look for following articles, such as Fmr. Supreme Court Justice Jo Hee-de Nominated for Chief Justice from KBS World, or Conservative judge Jo Hee-de nominated as new Supreme Court chief justice from Korea JoongAng Daily. Emeraldwood (talk) 13:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
From where I sit, Google shows 12,400 results for the proposed destination vice 1,440 for the current title. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:21, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Simple WP:SET is not a WP:UCRN from reliable English-language sources for WP:AT and WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Emeraldwood (talk) 13:26, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'll let the top bunch of results from my searches speak for me. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:32, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nominator's rationale. When I moved this to Cho Hee-dae, I took into account the same thing. Emeraldwood in future please don't move pages like this, you got to discuss it first in the respective talk page. zoglophie^•talk• 17:25, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Zoglophie I just cannot believe that putting Google test as superior evidence is WP's first and outmost rule while every officially affiliated institutions recognized his name as Jo Hee-de. Though you can make argument at THIS PARTICULAR transitional time, that WP:OFFICIALNAMES should be interpreted in such way, sooner or later official romanization of him will flourish over lazy RR fabricated from machine translation. When that time comes, please remember what I said and noted in this talkpage above. And for anyother Wikipedian who wants to settle this discussion, please be careful that title of this article will likely to be fixed to his official romanization (Jo Hee-de) in not so much distant future, as official English press release from the Supreme Court of Korea will be utmost reliable English source for almost every correspondents in South Korea. Emeraldwood (talk) 02:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 *:::I'll let the top bunch of results from my searches speak for me. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 13:32, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 *'''Support''' per [[User:UtherSRG|nominator's]] rationale. When I moved this to Cho Hee-dae, I took into account the same thing. [[User:Emeraldwood|Emeraldwood]] in future please don't move pages like this, you got to discuss it first in the respective talk page. <span style="border-radius:3em;padding:0 2px;background:#bdb2ff;border:2px solid #00b7eb">[[User:Zoglophie|<b style="color:#fffdd0">zoglophie</b>]]</span>[[User talk:Zoglophie|<sup style="color:#1167b1">•talk•</sup>]] 17:25, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
+*:@[[User:Zoglophie|Zoglophie]] I just cannot believe that putting Google test as superior evidence is WP's first and outmost rule while every officially affiliated institutions recognized his name as Jo Hee-de. Though you can make argument at THIS PARTICULAR transitional time, that [[WP:OFFICIALNAMES]] should be interpreted in such way, sooner or later official romanization of him will flourish over lazy [[Revised Romanization of Korean|RR]] fabricated from machine translation. When that time comes, please remember what I said and noted in this talkpage above. And for anyother Wikipedian who wants to settle this discussion, please be careful that title of this article will likely to be fixed to his official romanization (Jo Hee-de) in not so much distant future, as official English press release from the Supreme Court of Korea will be utmost reliable English source for almost every correspondents in South Korea. [[User:Emeraldwood|Emeraldwood]] ([[User talk:Emeraldwood|talk]]) 02:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)