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Refaat Alareer

• Refaat Alareer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The article states that the reports of a baby being put in the oven have been proven false. However, the link provided by user nableezy do not prove that, only show that there is controversy surrounding the claim. The sentence should say something like: "In response to allegations that Hamas had killed a baby by placing it in an oven, he responded "with or without baking powder" on Twitter. " This change would indicate that there are allegations that are currently being disputed. Abluehulloo (talk) 16:52, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Abluehulloo, this is not the right place to discuss the phrasing, please raise this at the talk page.

Also, the article is already extended-confirmed-protected. Alaexis_¿question? 21:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Alaexis: Making an edit request on this page is appropriate, as Talk:Refaat Alareer is semi-protected and will remain so for (at least) another two days. Favonian (talk) 11:16, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah, got it. Sorry @Abluehulloo, I didn't notice the talk page is also protected.

I hope it gets unprotected and this can be discussed there.

Regarding the statement in question (In response to the claim that Hamas had killed a baby by placing it in an oven, which was later found to be false, he responded "with or without baking powder" on Twitter), I don't see a problem, considering that the source also says that these claims were debunked and I'm not aware of other sources which still claim otherwise.

The article has quite a few other issues, I've raised them at the talk page. Alaexis_¿question? 20:00, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

2023 Israel–Hamas war

• 2023 Israel–Hamas war (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I would like to request that the article 2023 Israel-Hamas war (‘https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israel–Hamas_war’) show internal consistency as under ‘Casualties and losses’ there are 1401 Israeli casualties (containing 876 civilians from the reference ‘m’). But in the section below this, second paragraph states ‘resulting in 1.139 deaths – 695 Israeli civilians, among them 36 children, as well as 373 members of security forces and 71 foreigners.’ This totals 766 civilians. Then in the section casualties the article states ‘On 7 October 2023, more than 1,200 Israelis and foreign nationals, mostly civilians, were killed and 248 taken hostage during the initial attack on Israel from the Gaza Strip.[215][227]’.

Points 1. These are all different figures 2. So it is true to say that ‘most’ of those killed were civilians, but as this attack had both military and terrorist goals, the different outcomes of these goals should be stated separately eg 766 civilians were killed in the terror attack and 373 members of the security forces were killed in military operations. 3. In the casualties section paragraph 2 (starting ‘As of 15 December, over 19,000 Palestinians and Israelis’…and ending’ and over 100 UNRWA aid workers.’ Should be placed further down. Article should read -Israeli casualties in first attack – Palestinian casualties in initial Israeli response (Militants) – Palestinian casualties in wider Israeli response (Other militants and civilians, citing specifically numbers of women and children) - the number above should not be conflated with Israeli casualties as happens in article as it is now (very weird), nor should other casualties such as journalist or aid workers be placed here, they should have their own separate paragraph further on

I hope you find reasonable suggestions and that they be carried out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.34.204 (talk) 21:57, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I second this. Numerous RS are now giving the 1,139 figure for the total, and the 695 figure for the civilian death toll. It's probably time for Wikipedia to update the infoboxes on the relevant pages to reflect this, unless other RS make statements contradicting it, but the previous numbers seem to be from weeks ago. Djehuty98 (talk) 00:21, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Wrong venue. This is a content dispute, and should be discussed at the article Talk page, not here. Mathglot (talk) 18:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

These (reasonable) edit requests are being made by people who are not able to add or participate in discussions on the talk page.

The issue of updating Israeli casualty figures has been raised on the talk page but it has been ignored despite the revised figures being stated in numerous news outlets like The Guardian, France24, The New Arab, and Voice of America, all more recently than the sources the article and infobox currently use. Presumably that is why it is also being raised here. Djehuty98 (talk) 23:27, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Mathglot: This is not the wrong venue. The article talk page is extended-confirmed protected at the moment. Until that changes, we will continue seeing edit requests here. We can either copy the comments there, or notify the participants there of the discussion here (which I have done). ~Anachronist (talk) 02:30, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

2023 Israel–Hamas war

• 2023 Israel–Hamas war (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Change the Israeli death count from its current to 695 civilians and 373 security forces. Israel said this: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths Personisinsterest (talk) 19:40, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Please see my comment here. Alaexis_¿question? 07:29, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel

• 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

There is an inconsistency in the infobox between the stated number of civilian casualties and the figure provided in the sources which the infobox cites. The infobox has the correct number for the total - 1,139 dead - but says that 766 of these were civilians, which contradicts the France24 report that declaratively states in the first sentence that it was 695 civilians (as you can see by clicking on the link in the citation). The number 766 does not occur anywhere in the article so I don't know where it is from but as things stand it is unsourced. Djehuty98 (talk) 21:03, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Chief Keef

• Chief Keef (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Change main picture for a better more known and clearer one Gloryboy727 (talk) 08:09, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

2023 Israel–Hamas war

• 2023 Israel–Hamas war (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I wish to add a subject to the talk page that highlights that a cited refrence does not support the claim. Particularly (82) https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/journalists-vigil-killed-gaza-israel/ Does not support the claim of child deaths and the second reference is not journalistically independent. At this level, I would epxect UN, UNICEF or WHO data as authoritative. Tom Donnelly (talk) 09:47, 19 December 2023 (UTC)