User talk:El C

If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.

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For you

El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:

And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:

Also, two days ago I got to rub a cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:

Love, El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).

Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Oooo. Purdy!

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren ^(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Here's some peanuts for Hidey. He hasn't got any!

Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 00:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy Groundhog Day

Happy day! Jehochman ^Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Chippies

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures!  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Book?

Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua^?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

4Tality Fractal

1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time

2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4D (temporal)

3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity

4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma

El_C 07:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Rev-dels

Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Romania

And all I got was this... Whoa!

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

And all I got was a ^^^

• Talk:And Then There Were None#RfC: And Then There Were None and racial language
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics#Request for comments on the 'political position' parameter of the political party infobox
• Talk:Romania#RfC
• Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: HispanTV
• Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Is RfX a vote, or a consensus discussion? (RfC)
• Talk:Civil Rights Act of 1968#Merger of Fair Housing Act and Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 into this article
• Talk:WikiLeaks#RFC: Murder Of Seth Rich content dispute
• Talk:Athens News#Request for comment
• Talk:SNC-Lavalin affair#RfC: LavScam
• Talk:Christchurch mosque shootings#RfC: Change "white supremacist" to "white nationalist"

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks, Gerda! El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have  Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

February flowers

Alte Liebe

Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's corner

Add some colour to the corner! El_C 08:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's February corner

Hellebore

Want a drink in darkness? - Schloss Freudenberg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Yay for Green Opa! This made my day! El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Till 120! El_C 15:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Birds of a feather

External videos
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)

Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

... and after the music, please listen to User talk:Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

did you? - interesting bitter-sweet today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Helleborus orientalis

happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Request to put 2021 storming of the United States Capitol under WP:1RR

@El C: @Octoberwoodland: Continuing this discussion, I'd like to request that 2021 storming of the United States Capitol be put under WP:1RR (I guess that would be Template:American politics AE?). How do I make such a request? Post to WP:AN? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — Chrisahn (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda* El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Us

User:El C/Songs from the homeland (YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)

"You See Far, You See Clear"

"Us"

"I Want Us To Be Realized"

"Didn't Know You'd Walk Away From Me"

"You Put My Hand In Yours"

"A Place Of Worry"

What Is Love?

"How Is It That A Star"

"A Love Song (Like A Wheel)"

"Sitting On The Fence"

"Fragile"

"In Praise Of Samba"

"Where Are You?"

"Poogy Tales"

"Tell Me"

"There Were Nights"

"It Happens"

"Drawing"

"Yes, It Has No Chance, But Between Myself And I Everything Is Allowed"

Last updated: El_C 09:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda loves subsections!

Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my one and only contrib to the Hebrew Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems. Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Innisfree Garden

Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".

I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Sadly: more work for you, in her memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Guess what, BWV 1 and BWV 159 make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like giving up walking uprightly - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). Starlight on top of that archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. El_C 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.

Did you know ...

... that Universalkünstler
Arik Brauer
created paintings in Fantastic Realism,
songs in Austropop,
stage sets for the Paris Opera,
and house facades in Austria and Israel?

(17 February 2021)

One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Play Bach

How do you like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

"You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Psalm 12 when you have time - what happened? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

An edit request by Narky Blert

I have just set up an alternative account, Narky Blert (alt), so that I can edit logged-in until I can regain access to my main account, Narky Blert. (Condensed story - I fell ill in early December, with the result that I was admitted to hospital having being found unconscious after three days. I was discharged after a week, and consider myself recovered. An annoying side-effect was that I broke my PC, and am having trouble in recovering my PWs (that should be possible, but I'm having to rely on third parties).)

To comply with WP:ALTACC, I want to edit User:Narky Blert to add:

{{User alternative account name|Narky Blert (alt)}}

{{-}}

at the top, and

[[Category:Wikipedia alternative accounts]]

at the bottom. However, as a newly-registered user, I cannot. Could I ask you to do this for me?

As a token of good faith, I offer you "Bella ciao" - [3], which strikes me as right up your street. Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 15:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Holy shit! So sorry to hear that, but glad you're on the mend. For sure, I'll get right on that. Wow, that's nuts. Thanks for the song. Glad to have you back, but take it easy, please! Jeez. El_C 15:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm feeling better now than I have for months; I must have been building up to that episode which landed me in hospital. Now, if only I could do something about the misbegotten ISP I'm currently on... Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 17:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

But you made it, that's the most important thing! I love you, bwo! El_C 17:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Prayer for Ukraine

I took a pic in 2009 that was on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English Prayer for Ukraine. - "Our" next psalm is Psalm 92, last week's, yesterday we had Psalm 91 but that - with the guardian angels is already covered, and I added compositions today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow, did you take that picture with a Nokia flip phone or something? I can count the pixels! (No NoPixel jokes, please! But yes latest music.) BTW, are you at all familiar with the teachings of Rabbi Nachman? El_C 11:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't remember - keep loosing my cameras. It's an excerpt of a larger pic, of course, and from the time when I joined Wikipedia. - No, not familiar, will perhaps look when dark. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

See Nachman_of_Breslov#Teachings. Last bulletpoint: He emphasized [the] importance of music for spiritual development and religious practice. His was probably the most philosophically sophisticated of the Hasidic Movement, now known as the Breslov (Hasidic group). Their Rosh Hashana kibbutz (annual pilgrimage to Uman, Ukraine) is a pretty big deal in both Israel and Ukraine. El_C 11:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Sounds interesting, but was too busy yesterday. IWD today, so I decorated my talk showing two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Good stuff. Happy International Women's Day! El_C 18:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Wrote the translation of Anna Korsun to German, and began Zofia Kilanowicz, for the occasion. Sang an extra song for peace in rehearsal. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

March songs

I listened to the charity concert mentioned here (on radio, it was soon sold out), and created the articles of the composer and the soprano. Alto to follow today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Do you think you could provide Psalm 92 (and then 14)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Nice. It's been a while since my last concert. Those Psalms look dunzo'd. El_C 03:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

How to listen? El_C 05:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

To that concert? I don't know, there was a lot of recording going on, but I don't know if for the public. - To Prayer for Ukraine? - see article. To the Frankfurt concert? [4] - composer on the Main page now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

sorry about not having looked "down" enough for the psalms - yesterday was 27, also "dun". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

DunZO! Yeah, the latest (I'm caught up with the rest), too badzo. El_C 16:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

St. Patrick's Day, more music and today's sunset no cow--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Nice sunset, still, though! BTW, we've moved past cows. We're doing sloth wizards now. Catch up with the lore! El_C 04:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

on Bach's birthday: the places where I sang his Dona nobis pacem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Happy BachDay! Wow, Evangelische Marktkirche in Wiesbaden looks like an intergalactic spaceship, with pillars. El_C 22:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

the place where Reger-Chor performed first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Very cool. It also looks like a spaceship from the outside, but with un-rounded corners. What a twist! El_C 22:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Well done! That deserves flowers (of peace (against all odds)). El_C 12:48, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Bach's No. 1 today for illumination --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Very nice, can't go wrong with the classics (classics). Funk No. 1, for yesterday's exaltation (today). El_C 16:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you ;) - back to Psalm 14, it looked done but looking closer, I don't get why Hebrew is shorter, and has a different beginning, and the explanation is that it's not the complete but some sort of difference. Can you check that please? - Prayer for Ukraine: I heard it as "encore" after a live opera performance from Staatsoper Hannover, sung and played with heart by the complete ensemble. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Sunday flowers and sounds, don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, and Prayer for Ukraine - here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Like. Congrats! You are a musical editing machine! In answer to your question: some of the Aramaic-derived Hebrew words combine nouns and verbs all in a single word. El_C 14:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you, exquisite voice today, heard on 11 March --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

(unless you already do) please help watching the TFA Operation Mincemeat because the author is not active --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I have virtually every major military engagement on my watchlist. But I haven't opened my watchlist in 2022 yet, so there's that. El_C 12:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Not sure if I understand. I look at my watchlist about once per hour. You could just look at editing history every now and then, or do nothing. I wanted to write about an Israeli conductor today but came a feminist - the perfect topic for women's month. Her pic is on the Main page, and I learned a lot expanding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Cool. Also, I love train conductors, too! RE: Watchlist, see: File:77,777.jpeg (btw, I've long surpassed 100K for some reason). El_C 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

now that's so funny: when I was about to pass 55.555 I decided that this was nonsense and began to reduce one by one, having reached 42k+ - this conductor leads an orchestra, but my grandfather was a train conductor --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Could you please do me a favour regarding Psalm 14: do the Hebrew in the normal fashion. What's there is a subset, has no verse numbers, - tricky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Double cool! Also, I definitely agree with you: train, orchestra conductors — basically the same thing, interchangeable. El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

What, never! El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I did the thing. El_C 13:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

April corner

April songs

First psalm in April: Psalm 17, - please update when you can.

O dear, I never signed ... - (I asked one admin before (Graham87):) Could you please move Boris Lyatoshinsky to Borys Lyatoshynsky, as the article says, and I find in international concert announcements? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done and Done. I punctuate! El_C 15:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

That's great, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

This hymn - Das eine Brot wächst auf vielen Halmen - is based on "a melody from Israel" - do you know more? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

No, not familiar. At least I don't think. Possibly I've sang it during my time in choir...? El_C 08:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

never mind - memories: two people on DYK, both connected to Oper Frankfurt, and don't miss yesterday's video of Pink Floyd given to me! - no idea where the white line below the header comes from which is not there in preview --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Whenever you have time, Psalm 26 please. (I hate the blank line under the header ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I have time (and time has me). El_C 11:31, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, next Psalm 62 - Wikipedia:Main Page history/2022 April 13: the TFA is hard to overlook, but there are also peace prayers, a soprano and a theatre manager, - if you don't find them try here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Wait, 26→62? Exclaim thyself! El_C 09:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

coincidence. 26 was at our church, 62 in the Tenebrae readings for last Saturday, - not working today, still Easter, biking and opera, haven't seen pics yet, but it was just beautiful! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Happy Easter(n)! El_C 20:51, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

it was, thank you, now dance and singing, peace doves and icecream --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Very cool. Definitely deserving of Iced Cream. El_C 13:40, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

another Ukraine day today: Maks Levin DYK, expanding Kyiv Symphony Orchestra (have tickets), and creating Anthony Robin Schneider, the bass who could be heard opening the singing in Beethoven's Ninth twice on 10 March 2022, live in Frankfurt, Germany, and recorded in Auckland, New Zealand, singing "Freiheit!" (freedom) instead of "Freude" (joy), in a tradition started after the Fall of the Wall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Dove sono (Where are those happy moments ...?) - concert with Kyiv orchestra and Aleksey Semenenko (quite a story!) tonight, Symphony with war and peace in the subtitle --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

So many concerts! You're really making up for lost tyme. I hope all the members of the Kyiv Orchestra are alive and well. El_C 13:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

... look and see and listen: Kyiv Symphony Orchestra, Luigi Gaggero & Diana Tishchenko (violin) / Kulturpalast Dresden (25 April 2022 on YouTube (that's 25 April in Dresden, a different violinist, but the same program) - ours pictured here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Fantastic! El_C 21:04, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

{{YouTube|I learn spamthing new!}} El_C 21:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

July music

July songs

my story today

My story today pictures a friend whose birthday is today ;) - we listened to music she helped publishing - at a fancy place (which looked different when Bach played there). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Sounds like a funcy party. I hope there was cake to go with the tunes! El_C 08:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Her private party was on Saturday, great cakes! Later Indian food in the garden! In between, she played for us, on four instruments including baryton, with family members (granddaughters!) and colleagues, from Renaissance to Haydn. - Finally: June pictures updated, with three great RMF concerts! - My story today is very personal: the DYK appeared on Wikipedia's 15th birthday, and describes a concert I sang. I was requested to translate the bio into German for a memorial concert ... - see background, and we talked about life and death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

more? fireworks on the Rhine pictured on 1 July, but the real stars were sun and moon. I love today's story. - I improved Psalm 129 today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

On today's Main page, you can find a cantata that Bach first performed 300 years ago, and an iconic saxophonist from East Germany. The cantata is based on a psalm, so that psalm is also part of today's story. Also: a bit about the history of QAI on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:37, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

While today's DYK highlights Santiago on his day, I did my modest share with my story today, describing what I just experienced, pictured. I began the article of the woman in green. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Today Jahrhundertring, and I'm listening to Götterdämmerung from the Bayreuth Festival (pictured), - the image (of a woman who can't believe what she has to see) features also on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Please protect my talk page

Please protect my talk page because today 3 Bulgarian IP addresses started harassing me again and they want me to stop editing pages that had false information about TV channels. It has been 2 weeks now and the nonsense has started again with the harassment (diff 1, diff 2, diff 3). LDM2003 ^{talk to me!} 10:18, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Have reprotected the talkpage for a month. Appreciate this was actually a message for El C, but seemed worth doing asap given the number of nonsense edits. -- Euryalus (talk) 11:14, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Proposed decision posted for the AlisonW case

The proposed decision for the AlisonW case has been posted. Statements regarding the proposed decision are welcome at the talk page. Please note that comments must be made in your own section. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 15:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Block of Raven

Hey El_C, just wanted to thank you for doing something with this one. It would not have been my call, but I get it, and I respect both your experience and dedication around here. I tried to nudge them in the right direction and saw occasional glimmers, but boy they are a tough one. In my ideal world, they will craft a thoughtful and persuasive appeal statement, but I fear that's my optimism talking. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 13:30, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, if it were up to you, what would have been your call? El_C 13:32, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

You'll have to pay me the big administrator bucks to make that call! But trying to think about it beyond my Pollyanna attitude, I would have blocked, but not indef. I think they were sort of trying to disengage and stop bludgeoning certain pages...largely by moving on to bludgeoning others. So, two weeks? A month? I guess one more chance, but as I say, Pollyanna attitude. This is honestly not a critique; even the AN/I thread was just needlessly soaking up time. Happy to defer to your judgment. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 13:39, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks from me for your bold as well. To my reading this user has been using their edits to inflame discussions, not engage them. Likewise, I await their block appeal with interest. BusterD (talk) 13:45, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

El_C clearly patiently waited a WHILE on that one. The adage (once again) applies: Wikipedia:FIRSTLAWOFHOLES. - jc37 15:44, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

It's more, like, I saw the pings a few days ago, but didn't have enough spare time to attend to it until today. El_C 22:26, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Sigh

(rhetorical question) Ever have one of those times where you hope that you're throwing someone a rope, and it ends up that they would rather turn it into WP:ROPE?

It was pretty obvious foregone conclusion the destination that that train was heading, but I really had hope that they would see the light of day and emerge from the tunnel.

And now I'll leave all these mix-ed' methaphors be, and just apologize that things did not turn out differently so that it necessitated you needing to act.

I do hope you are having a good day : ) - jc37 15:44, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing (about the same thing). Thanks, same to you! El_C 22:26, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Since we are talking about it here, I think this indef block was inevitable. As far as I can tell, .Raven was not going to change as evinced by their behavior after the P-block in multiple talk page threads, including this recent ANI. If the indef didn't happen this time, it was going to be their ultimate fate. So, this was a good call (and a good block). It will save the community from having to put more time and energy into dealing with one of the most disruptive editors I have ever seen on Wikipedia. And .Raven still has the option of successfully appealing the block by fulfilling the requirements for a successful appeal. It is up to them. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 22:45, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Report of Vandalism on Article "Mohamed Yaacob"

Dear El C,

I would like to bring to your attention an instance of vandalism on the article Mohamed Yaacob by the IP address 2001:E68:540F:13D:D100:521C:ABA5:ED50. On 11 July 2023 at 11:15 am, this IP address made multiple disruptive edits, including reverting my edits in the honorific section.

I kindly request your assistance in addressing this issue and blocking the IP address to prevent further vandalism on the article.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely, Arthur Hirai Arthur Hirai (talk) 11:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW closed

The arbitration case Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW has been closed, and the final decision is viewable at the case page. The following remedy has been enacted:

• For failure to meet the conduct standards expected of an administrator, AlisonW's administrative user rights are removed. She may regain them at any time via a successful request for adminship.

For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 17:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW closed

Thanks

I appreciate what is going on with BHG. Just saying. Keep doing the right thing Elinruby (talk) 20:42, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

SmallCat dispute case opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Evidence. Please add your evidence by August 4, 2023, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 13:04, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Site block needed

Please see the latest contributions of Galehautt. Regards, TrangaBellam (talk) 10:53, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

August music

August songs

my story today

Today's music is played by my brother's orchestra, conducted by two very young men on their way up, - the picture was taken shortly after the invasion of Ukraine began, - more detail on my talk. Images reached the day of the Tenebrae concert mentioned in July. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Very cool! Is there a link to the concert itself? Though, I've been on a bit of music break, truth be told. Anyway, just settling back in. Hope you had a good July. Talk soon. El_C 14:34, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

If you mean the music, no, - there are excerpts from Path of Miracles on YouTube, but they are not the same as hearing it in a large church with resonance. Good to see you back. At a wedding yesterday, the father of the bride was from Israel, and we had Psalm 36 and a song about Psalm 103, - I just began "Lobe den Herrn, meine Seele", a little article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:55, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

My story today - a first - isn't about an article by me, but one I reviewed for DYK, see here. I like all: topic, "hook", connected article (a GA on its way towards FA), image and the music "in the background". - Pics of weddings to come, I promise one cake, the other was too large! Good music, and better even in the concert ending the second day, - Goldberg Variations theme for an encore, after Dohnányi Serenade. - This "Hevenu shalom alechem" - could we write a little article together? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Again not by me: today's story - with the triumph of music over military - is uplifting! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Very uplifting, thank you for that! Sorry, I'd really expected to have been back by now, but things keep coming up almost to spite me! Confident that by Monday, though.

About the song: I definitely am happy to collaborate in writing an article on it. I can't say that I know too much about it, outside of the description of it @שלום עליכם (ברכה)#בתרבות, parts of which I was unaware of (German ad jingle for Turkish cigarette somehow?); as well as singing it as a kid a lot when travelling back in the old country, and even still a few times as an adult (upon landing in Israel). I'm confident though that it falls within Wikipedia:Notability (music), so yeah, let's do it! TTYS, for realz this time. All the best, El_C 10:10, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

That's great! Is the English transcription correct? Is there an article in Hebrew? - Now: picture of heart-shaped cake(s) uploaded! - Today's story is about a tenor, - why his roles are not linked on the Main page remains a mystery to me. Today is also the birthday of the Bayreuth Festival. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 13 August 2023 (UTC) cake

Which transcription? No, no article, just that section I linked from the article on the blessing. BTW, you say tenor, I think tenor sax (it's a brain thing). El_C 08:23, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hevenu shalom aleichem, and I also saw alechem and alejchem. What should we take? - Michael McCown has a tenor voice, and I wasn't happy that the role of the Tempter wasn't linked (for the most of the time on the Main page) as if people would know who wrote such a role for which piece. Water under the bridge ... - I understand that part of your brain, but all instrument tenors (tenor recorder, tenor trombone ...) seem to be derived from the voice type. I wanted to begin the song yesterday because it was a happy day, but happily had no time, and today I faced that Berit Lindholm died and had just a poor stub for an article (which I already doubled in size and number of references). - I raised the question on Richard Wagner if his wife Cosima may be mentioned in the introduction. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:02, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, writing in haste. But with regards to the spelling, the article on the blessing/greeting is @Shalom aleichem, if that was unclear. El_C 10:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I missed that - sorry! - One more day uploaded, with another wedding cake - I couldn't resist. Today's story is about the Inkpot Madonna who returned to "her place" 9 years ago, and also has aspects of early learning, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Today is the anniversary of the premiere of Götterdämmerung. Berit Lindholm sang its final scene in concert at the Royal Festival Hall in London, only four years after her stage debut in a Mozart opera in Stockholm. - the song: we have a stub now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Today I heard a delightful concert, "Himmlische Freuden", remembered having heard Vilde Frang (Bruch concerto, in Zürich, with my brother's orchestra) , and succeeded in preparing Renata Scotto's article enough for the Main page (which took two days). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

In case you have something to add to the Shalom song, could you do it soon please, - to not miss a DYK chance? --GA (sorry forgot to sign)

Nice work! I added some stuff about the origins. El_C 10:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! For DYK, we'd need another 500 characters of prose until tomorrow ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:39, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Maybe postpone? I can add more, but probably not within a 24 hours deadline. El_C 10:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean. Did you know has its rules, and newness is one of the requirements, meaning seven days. It was created on 15 August, so time to nominate ends 23:59 WP's time tomorrow - in theory, - I will sleep then, and you probably also. Which gives us about 30 more hours. We don't have to go for DYK, of course, but if we want to, we should do something. You could point me at sources, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

No, I Did Not Know that Did You Know requires newness — that is new(s) to me. No, no sources in English, but I didn't really look. I was just gonna expand from the source I cited; specifically, about the melody popularized by a Turkish band as derived from the German cigarette advert jingle I mentioned above. El_C 11:34, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Understand, do so when you can. I'll look for more but am not too eager for more trouble which DYK always means. - I was busy with (originally unreferenced) Renata Scotto, and now with Gloria Coates, whose article had no life section this morning and came with 3 tags. After that, I can turn to shalom ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I added a line, with a book source. - The summary "used for weddings" needs a ref. I found one but it looks not too serious. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:57, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm unaware of that usage, but it's been used for different purposes in different times. Personally, I know it as the El-AL-plane-landed-safely song. The source I provided doesn't mention weddings, but it mentions a few distinct settings, but only 1945-1952. The first one being as a protest song against British rule (1945), while the second one being used to welcome refugees (1946), which perhaps is where the more modern El-AL thing came from. There's 4 additional settings, as mentioned ending in 1952 (first choir performance, in Finland for some reason). El_C 00:16, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

I copied from Hava Nagila ;) - and I saw this, this (first para) and this, and just for a smile, this. - If you mention one or two of yours, and I of mine, I think it's long enough for a nomination, and you can add the rest in the 6 weeks that may easily pass until we have discussed enough. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:07, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Nominated! - Today is Debussy's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Can you perhaps add, perhaps even for a hook? - Today is Gwendolyn Killebrew's birthday, - pictured: a spider and sweet food --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm swamped right now, but hoping to be back in a week or two at the latest. Talk to you then. El_C 14:14, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I can wait! - This too shall pass. - Ten years ago on 28 August, I heard a symphony, with a heavy heart because of the pending decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX, and not worried about my future here but Andy's. - It passed, and I could write the DYK about calling to dance, not battle, and Andy could write the DYK mentioning about peace and reconciliation, - look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:27, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Why is RFK Jr.'s Wiki page protected?

The entire introductory paragraph looks extremely politically charged, and begins with a slandering statement. Furthermore, there is barely any mention of his candidacy for President, which you would think would be an important piece of information when describing their life. 93.136.87.210 (talk) 22:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

That article is protected due to persistent disruptive editing and vandalism going back several years. Cullen328 (talk) 22:59, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Political bias is in the eyes of the beholder, but the immediate reason cited was WP:COVIDCT. Users who lack the required tenure can submit edit requests for tenured editors to consider. El_C 10:15, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Yejju

Greetings, you applied semi-protection to Yejju back in April. Just an FYI that I have increased this to extended protection, given the continued block evasion involving that page. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Gyrofrog. Sounds good, thanks for letting me know. Regards, El_C 13:39, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Zepotha

Hi there. Noticed that you deleted and salted Draft:Zepotha as a hoax. While earlier versions of the draft were hoaxes, the version you deleted was a draft article about the hoax. Would you care to take a second look at the page? Thanks! - Eureka Lott 14:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

That draft was deleted 4 times in the last two days, so deleting and salting it to prevent a 5th, 6th, etc., seemed sensible. El_C 15:16, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but did you look closely at the draft before you deleted it? It wasn't a hoax. - Eureka Lott 15:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

No, not closely. But feel free to bring it up with the three other deleting admins. I'm good with whatever outcome. El_C 15:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

One of them was me. :) Would you object if I restored the recent (non-hoax) versions of the draft? - Eureka Lott 15:45, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

As another admin involved in this case, I agree that the most recent revision is encyclopedic in its coverage of the hoax-as-a-hoax, with sources that a glance are a bit weak and tabloidy but definitely make it at least as far as AfD. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

By all means, feel free to recreate it. I purposefully didn't salt it at admin level. It's at WP:ECP, which is one step higher than Liz's WP:SEMI from two days ago, which obviously wasn't enough. Speaking for myself, then, I don't requiere an WP:AFD, but I don't feel it's my call to make, as my familiarity with the subject is superficial at best. El_C 16:01, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree. As someone who worked on this page, it wasn't reporting the hoax as truth, but explained that it was false. I do think it should have an AfD consensus before deletion, but again I am biased. Cedar Tree 17:01, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I just restored the revisions newer than the prior speedy deletion. Hope that works for everyone. - Eureka Lott 17:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

That isn't what's being discussed here. Rather, the premise is that for the page to be restored, it needs to be kept at deletion (AfD or MfD). Which, again, I said for my part, isn't needed. Again, that draft was deleted 4 times in the last two days, so we're past that, barring time travel. Either way, as I said, I'm content on leaving the decision to others. El_C 17:16, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Not quite, WP:ECP restored. As I already said above, I think it's been established that WP:SEMI fell short. Other than that, good luck, hope it works out this time (5th time the charm, if you will). El_C 17:21, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, not exactly. The earlier semi-protection was only against recreation, so we never saw if it was effective for the draft article. I doubt that extended confirmed protection is necessary, but I'm not going to argue about it. - Eureka Lott 17:27, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

It's the same WP:HOAX content, whether by recreation or edits, so I don't really see the distention here. But it's whatever. El_C 17:35, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Noticed that this was undeleted and ECP'd. The primary contributor to this draft, Cedar Tree, isn't extended confirmed and so won't be able to edit it. As far as I can tell, all of the disruption since the last speedy deletion (excluding this one) has been from IPs or non-autoconfirmed editors, so perhaps semi would be sufficient? I have been following the Zepotha case fairly closely and recall one or two instances where an autoconfirmed editor was causing disruption, but that seems to be the outlier. —⁠PlanetJuice (talk • contribs) 19:08, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I would, obviously, still like to be able to edit this article, but I understand that that isn't my decision to make. Cedar Tree 22:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I've bumped Cedar Tree to WP:XC, though I hope it doesn't send the wrong message as far as this concerning a draft about a Tik-Tok thing of questionable notability that occured on Aug 12 (I'd say WP:NOTNEWS, but is it really news?). Still, they have close to 400 edits, have been editing for a couple of years now, with most of the edits in the mainspace, they have clean block log, etc. El_C 10:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Cedar Tree 00:43, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome. Also, sorry for speaking about you rather than to you — I meant to drop a note on your talk page, but it slipped my mind. El_C 02:11, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Panda619 discussion

Hi El C! I wanted to come talk to you one-on-one and apologize again for reversing your actions regarding Panda619. I saw that after the discussion was closed, you re-opened it, but closed it again with the edit summary, "whatever, I'm done". It sounded to me like you were quite frustrated if not angry at that time, and maybe felt that you didn't have the opportunity to speak further about this, or that further action may not have been taken that you might've wanted. That's the reason why I'm here - to tell you one-on-one that I apologize for reversing your actions without talking to you first, and for causing any kind of anger or frustration. We've interacted a lot over the time that we've been contributors, and I really don't want that to change. I just felt like you deserved to hear it from me directly. If you want to talk further, my book is completely open to you, and you're always welcome to talk to me. If I can do anything to help the situation come to closure in your mind, please let me know... :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:38, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I found it disheartening to find out, Oshwah, that you not only undid my blocking action without any attempt to contact to me about it, but that you also undid my related deletion action. I stand by both those actions btw, and I think it's clear from the discussion that yours were in error. But it's the way that this came across, as if my judgment was impaired—so impaired, that my input was deemed worthless—which I found upsetting. And the flipside was it being done in the shadows, thus avoiding scrutiny (which to be clear, is not my view of your intent). Still, I'm feeling a bit paranoid now. Is there a third action? A fourth? Probably not, but the second (un-deletion) action definitely caught me by surprise — which QEDK not giving a shit (about me) compounded. El_C 06:45, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that, I was away and I had seen that you reverted me (which I was fine with), I was not aware that you reverted yourself again. That said, I simply closed the discussion because the consensus was apparent that Oshwah's unblock was not required, so if anything, I was in support of your action. That said, I do not have any awareness as to what else happened, but I did not mean to cause you any offence in any way whatsoever, so if I did, I apologize. --qedk (t 愛 c) 12:01, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, you closed it immediately after I discovered and commented on the un-deletion, so, I didn't like that. But np, apology accepted, thank you. El_C 14:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

No - not at all. :-) I assure you that you don't need to be paranoid or need to think that I'm going to revert more actions. I think the intent on what I was doing and thinking at the time was read in the wrong way. The user... just asked in IRC (#wikipedia-en-unblock) to be evaluated, I saw that the block was over a year ago, thought the user was serious about wanting to join and contribute positively, and I made (a bad) assumption that you wouldn't mind. The action wasn't done with the intent or the thought that you did anything wrong and that your block was bad in any way; it was clearly a good block. I'm not questioning that at all. I just also bumped into that edit, thought ...maybe it was a mistake? I wasn't sure nor aware of the context, and I should've asked you via private channel about it. I'm sorry; I just thought "Okay, no big deal, I'd help you out, have your back, and just fix it for you." That's all... Nothing against you in any way.

I fix things for other admins sometimes; nothing against anyone... I do it to have their backs and help them out; not to make a statement, draw a line into the sand, and say that this was a bad action. Normally when I unblock a user or reverse something, pretty much every time - I just let the admin know and they respond and... they don't mind at all. I wasn't aware, didn't think, nor did I ever ever intend for this unblocking or the change to cause you any kind of disheartened feelings at all. To me, it was not a "you did this wrong so I'm reversing this" situation; I just thought, "okay, the user wishes to be unblocked, let's just give the user another shot. No biggie. If anything, we can just block them again - this time without the user having a shot for being unblocked." I'm not trying to make excuses or or say that what I did was right; I'm just trying to help you understand what my thought process was at the time. I offer my 100% apologies to you for this "kerfuffle", and I will use this situation to do better and ping admins beforehand moving forward. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:32, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Zuijin

Hello mr El C. Can you please add more informations in zuijin in their page please??? I really need help because in Japanese Wikipedia they are more informations about them and they have famous zuijin. 2A02:1388:408B:8A7E:0:0:FC50:17F5 (talk) 19:09, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, IP, this is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 06:46, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

OK. But I can tell you where to look for informations like the Japanese wikipedia. 2A02:1388:4097:1866:0:0:82:A1A2 (talk) 13:02, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

IP, you can make an edit request or ask for help at WT:JAPAN, but I personally am still not interested in contributing to that page. I rarely add content to pages I protect. Which on the day that specific page was protected, numbered in the dozens. El_C 14:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Do you know how to do it??? 2A02:1388:4097:1866:0:0:82:A1A2 (talk) 20:08, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Do what? El_C 20:29, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Destiny

See also: User:El C/Songs from new lands, User:El C/Songs from the homeland

A blast from the past! (circa 2002). El_C 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Longing for Home (circa 2008). El_C 11:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

For when just plain Distractions are afoot. El_C 16:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Spinning over simple things. El_C 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Oceanic feeling

Everyone is Everyone (and Everything is Everything). El_C 23:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Lyrics:

(Intro) Somehow I found myself here today Awakened to these thoughts and feelings Or an oceanic sense of lucid dreaming? A strange sort of spherical sensation With an overwhelming sense of apprehension An emptiness that thunders out From beyond the mind's horizon So far beyond our reach Where consciousness coalesces Like the billowing loom of thunder clouds The streaming runs of thought goes 'Round and 'round and 'round Till the dancing funnels of wind touch down And the earth bows down in reverence Lest it should be torn to pieces And blown into oblivi-essence And all who live will run and hide And do what we’ve done since the dawn of time Everyone flees from the cyclone winds of One's own mind But if one day we should stand on the canyon’s edge Peer out through the beating rain, the pounding wind You'll find that everyone is everyone And everything is everything (Verse one) Open up Your hearts and minds 'Cause I remember Nothing One day now It all falls down But love must keep on Loving So start the show Here we go (Chorus) Dark to light The day from night A roll of a mountain A rip in the sky Turning the dust to flesh And ashes to breath A pull of a muscle A pin in the eye An initial spark To get this heart of mine pumping And another To get these feet of mine running But sadly they've just taken me To a place Where all is devoid Of your embrace So baby now we're falling Baby now you're falling Baby yeah, yeah Baby now we're falling, baby yeah Tripping and tumbling Flipping and fumbling Flowing on the rivers of sadness That have been forever rumbling But from dawn until now Of all the paths that I could have gone down Of all the valleys That I could have been flowing through In spite of all the chaos And all that has come between us How is it I still find myself Here with you (Outro) So somehow we find ourselves here today A feeling in this oceanic sense of lucid dreaming A strange sort of spherical sensation An emptiness that thunders out From beyond the mind's horizon And all of us, we run and hide Do what we've done since the dawn of time Peering out through the beating rain The pounding wind Everyone is everyone And everything is everything

Serrado. El_C 23:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Live with Me. El_C 23:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

River Man. El_C 00:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Memories of Spain

Tomatito & Michel Camilo (2000)

Hooni (2012)

Olivier Castellat (2010)

Stevie Wonder (2008 live)

Gary Valenciano (2017 vocals)

Chick Corea and Return to Forever (1973 original) / Live performance (date unknown, but laterer)

El_C 23:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Chick and Hiromi my 2p. regards. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 16:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Resting: a compilation

Flite — El_C 10:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Void — El_C 15:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

What Is This — El_C 18:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

WhipTail — El_C 10:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Tell Me Where — El_C 10:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Nothing Nice — El_C 22:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Posição — El_C 10:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Quiet Nights — El_C 10:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Feel Free — El_C 02:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Limmertz (Hello, guitar! Hello, Good Waves) — El_C 10:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Que Se Sepa — El_C 10:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Mina Do Condominio — El_C 10:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

On Sight — El_C 10:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

The return of Remix surfing

Be Honest — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Wade in the Water — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Summertime Ride — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

This Thing — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Barrio — El_C 16:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Maybe I'll be Tracer... — El_C 16:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

O Mary Don't You Weep — El_C 11:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Love Intersection — El_C 18:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Inside — El_C 05:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Cosmix — El_C 15:42, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Let Me In — El_C 15:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Find You — El_C 13:23, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Bossa 31 — El_C 16:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 13:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Just The Two Of Us — El_C 00:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Unless You Love Me — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

A New Born Day — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Inspiration Zone El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Elektric City — El_C 13:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Kiss from a Rose — El_C 06:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Golden — El_C 09:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Mozalounge — El_C 20:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorrow — El_C 13:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Be With You — El_C 14:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Everybody Knows — El_C 10:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Butterfly — El_C 01:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Guilty Pleasure — El_C 09:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Blue Bossa — El_C 15:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Legend — El_C 18:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Who — El_C 05:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Losing My Way ^{London (2019)} — El_C 15:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Love Forever — El_C 16:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Brother to Brother — El_C 01:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

'Round Midnight — El_C 06:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Close Your Eyes — El_C 18:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar

Whipping Post→Mountain Jam — El_C 23:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Into the Sun — El_C 14:36, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

April — El_C 14:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Desire And The Comforter — El_C 04:32, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Fire on the Mountain — El_C 12:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

A Go Go — El_C 14:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Broken Promised Land — El_C 15:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Mediterranean Sundance / Rio Ancho — El_C 18:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Eternity's Breath, Pt. 1, Pt. 2 — El_C 21:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Say the Brother's Name — El_C 22:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Drifting — El_C 22:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

The Epic — El_C 05:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Little Wing — El_C 13:14, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Bold As Love — El_C 13:32, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Moonlight Sonata (3rd Movement), Tina S ^{Dr.Viossy — El_C 16:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)}

Reba, Brother, Glide, Rift — El_C 22:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

How Insensitive (Wes Montgomery), Pat Martino, Grant Green — El_C 02:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

White Rabbit — El_C 13:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Telegraph Road — El_C 21:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Yours Is the Light — El_C 23:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Burning Bridges → Mudmen — El_C 13:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

16/16 — El_C 03:25, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Achilles Last Stand — El_C 12:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

La Grange — El_C 03:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

White Room — El_C 00:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Tupelo (Albert King, Pops Staples, Steve Cropper), JLH — El_C 00:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Soul — El_C 03:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

My Inspiration — El_C 12:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Our Spanish Love Song — El_C 20:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Change of Life — El_C 02:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Reunion — El_C 12:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Montevideo — El_C 02:01, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 02:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Treacherous Cretins (studio), Copenhagen (1979) — El_C 12:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Arabia→Hasta Siempre, Comandante→Arabia — El_C 20:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Dark Star — El_C 16:42, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Tangled Up in Blue — El_C 02:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Face to Face (masks save lives) — El_C 13:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Bossa — El_C 22:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Under the Milky Way — El_C 12:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Wish You Were Here (studio), Pulse — El_C 02:30, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Albert's Shuffle, His Holy Modal Majesty — El_C 14:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Cārukeśī, Sunset Road (studio) / Sunset Road (Live Art) — El_C 09:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Gimme Shelter — El_C 17:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

The Great Gig in the Sky (Pulse) — El_C 20:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Eyes of The World — El_C 03:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Morning Dew — El_C 14:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Sky → Kind of Bird — El_C 18:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm Troubled → Been All Around This World — El_C 14:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

While My Guitar Gently Weeps (JHB) — El_C 14:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

La Sirena — El_C 12:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

The Landlady — El_C 12:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Dope-A-Licious — El_C 00:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Air

Unveiled — El_C 15:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Portia — El_C 23:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

El Niño — El_C 00:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Jungle Strut — El_C 09:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Dialogos → San Lazaro — El_C 16:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Love Has Come Around — El_C 13:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

In a Sentimental Mood — El_C 14:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Rondo à la Turk — El_C 22:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

La Fiesta — El_C 10:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, It Has No Chance (etc.) — El_C 12:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Skin — El_C 13:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Manhã de Carnaval — El_C 21:22, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Dawn: Dawn Is A Feeling — El_C 11:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

In My Own Way — El_C 19:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Caged Bird — El_C 10:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Around the Bend — El_C 15:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

House of the Rising Sun — El_C 00:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Prism #1 — El_C 11:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Water

Deep down → Secret Blue — El_C 18:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Familiar — El_C 05:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Feel It All Around — El_C 11:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

What If This Storm Ends? — El_C 18:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Promise — El_C 23:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Breathless — El_C 09:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Waves — El_C 17:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Power of Love → Vision is a Naked Sword — El_C 00:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Running Away — El_C 11:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

On a Clear Day (You Can See Forever) — El_C 23:37, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Jack-A-Roe — El_C 11:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Fall songspam

All Along the Watchtower — El_C 04:10, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh My God! — El_C 00:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Poetry — El_C 12:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Paroles, paroles ("Words, words") — El_C 02:02, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Ebatule — El_C 14:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Europa (Earth's Cry Heaven's Smile) — El_C 00:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Booty Step — El_C 11:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Gymnopédie No. 1 → Arabesque No. 1 — El_C 10:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Raat Ne Main Baandhi Chhe — El_C 15:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Reza, Meu Bem — El_C 23:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Because — El_C 12:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Noite Longa — El_C 18:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Voce Me Apereceu — El_C 05:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Lodger → It Starts When We Disappear — El_C 15:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

One More Day — El_C 00:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Sing Song Kitty → Bonaparte's Retreat — El_C 11:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Girls Love Kehlani → Table El_C 01:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Kkwy — El_C 01:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Convoy — El_C 15:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Black Water (studio) → Live (1974) — El_C 08:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Summertime → The House of the Rising Sun — El_C 13:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Bossa Esfera — El_C 13:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Down Man — El_C 13:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

The High Road — El_C 02:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Found You — El_C 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Quero ver — El_C 01:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Raag Gawati (Dhan Dhan Bhag Hamare) — El_C 17:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I Adore You — El_C 13:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Angola Anthem — El_C 18:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Dopesnotfunkae — El_C 21:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Descarga for Tito — El_C 18:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Positive Notions — El_C 02:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

One — El_C 14:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Secret Sun — El_C 21:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Back Where It All Begins — El_C 14:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Riflessività — El_C 03:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Title 1 → 2 → 3 → 4 — El_C 16:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Tudo Que Você Podia Ser — El_C 13:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Necessary Discrepancy — El_C 13:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Way Star — El_C 09:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Lament — El_C 15:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Lovely Day — El_C 14:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Alter Ego — El_C 11:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

עמוד האש — El_C 13:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Won't Pray Adagio → Angel's Serenade — El_C 20:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

The Distance — El_C 18:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Toxic — El_C 12:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm the Man Who Loves You → Poor Places — El_C 07:09, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Money Trees (original) → Sembari Edit → DJ Dahi & DJ Rahki: Sample masters — El_C 20:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Creation & Destruction — El_C 14:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Fuck the System — El_C 22:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Esperar Pra Ver — El_C 10:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

New Coat Of Paint — El_C 12:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

The Ecstasy of Gold — El_C 13:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

One Way — El_C 13:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

A Little Less Conversation — El_C 15:16, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Power in the Darkness — El_C 18:01, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

תמונה → Guitar — El_C 15:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Smokestack Lightning — El_C 11:42, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Ann River, Mn → Bibio Remix — El_C 10:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Mirror Temple — El_C 01:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Zoiks — El_C 15:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Tuyo — El_C 14:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Exogenesis: Symphony Pt. 1 (Overture) — El_C 13:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Lotus Land → A Lotus On Irish Streams — El_C 12:02, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Romance del Diablo — El_C 13:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Enemy → (Worlds 2021 version → Radio edit → Orchestral/instrumental) → Guns for Hire → Goodbye — El_C 10:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Floral Fury — El_C 18:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Waking Up → VIP Extended Mix — El_C 10:00, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Solução Edit — El_C 13:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

אפילו דקה → Trem das Onze — El_C 14:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Knives Out — El_C 16:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Child in Time — El_C 01:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Free Bird (extended studio) — El_C 12:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Nobody Speak → Nobody Move — El_C 11:53, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Be Alright (Live at One Love Manchester) — El_C 11:39, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Victory Theme (SHADOWFOX2 Remix) → Funk Fiction Remix — El_C 14:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Everywhere at the End of Time (Nexpo 4-min summary) → Full album (6.5 hours) — El_C 02:14, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Intimidated — El_C 15:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Seoul — El_C 11:24, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Fiona — El_C 14:52, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Sun — El_C 14:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Parole parole — El_C 15:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Breathe (2 AM) (Live) — El_C 13:11, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Dodole — El_C 16:57, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Sacred Moment → Ammonia Clouds — El_C 11:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Enemy (guitar heavy) — El_C 11:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Every Day Is Exactly the Same (Acoustic cover) → Sam Fog vs. Carlos D Mix — El_C 12:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

After You — El_C 16:06, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Estate — El_C 11:07, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Prelude → Victory Fanfare (Evil Needle X OriJanus Remix) — El_C 13:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Winter Nights

Winter Nights (full album): Greensleeves → Inverno — El_C 05:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Ready To Fly — El_C 13:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Sunny (Papik w Wendy Lewis) → Francesco Cofano Remix → w Peter De Girolamo (instrumental) → Bobby Hebb original — El_C 10:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Crazy — El_C 05:13, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Crazy — El_C 20:26, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

The Hanukkah Waltz →Christmas Oratorio (BVW 248 #41, Aria (tenor)) — El_C 14:15, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Since I've Been Loving You — El_C 21:49, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Lupin — El_C 02:01, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Une Sulased → Kiik Tahab Kindaid — El_C 18:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

The Star Spangled Banner — El_C 00:40, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Wonderland — El_C 10:48, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Souffles H (Souffle Your Wig) — El_C 17:35, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

2 Hearts Together (Absolute Contrast) — El_C 10:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Este Amor — El_C 17:47, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Samba De Luar — El_C 11:53, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Can't Hide Love — El_C 03:19, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Nice & Slow — El_C 12:32, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Living For The Night — El_C 13:05, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

In The Morning — El_C 06:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Nos Vida — El_C 20:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

One Dream — El_C 12:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Secret of the Forest (Flite) → Jordan Chin → Contraband Reloaded → Kara Comparetto — El_C 07:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Grand Central Boogie — El_C 22:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

No Mercy → Instrumental — El_C 01:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Delight → Slow Down El_C 05:24, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Head Over Heels → Sowing the Seeds Of Love — El_C 13:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Surrender — El_C 10:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

No Stress →Get Down → Human Nature → Dreamy → Flowers — El_C 11:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

The Well-Tempered Clavier, Prelude 1 in C Major (BWV 846) — El_C 10:18, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Concerto No. 2 in F Minor, Op. 21: I. Maestoso — El_C 23:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

I Put A Spell On You — El_C 09:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

High Tide — El_C 02:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

פרדי על הבוקר — El_C 07:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Decisions (AM Intro) → You Could Be (ft. George Riley) → Quest Select (AM Outro) — El_C 15:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Slavery Days → I And I Survive — El_C 12:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Dare — El_C 16:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Kiss from a Rose (Heidi Jutras) → Joe McBride → Trinití → David Simmons, Jr. — El_C 16:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Kiss from a Rose (studio version) → Rick explains (feat. Seal) — El_C 13:18, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Crazy — El_C 15:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Deepstar — El_C 11:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

All By Myself (Glee) → w David Foster — El_C 15:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Infralow — El_C 13:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Jericho — El_C 12:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I Guess You Get What's Coming — El_C 18:10, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed (acoustic, live 1992) → Studio version → Fillmore East, 1971 — El_C 15:58, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Open Up → Open Up (Reimagined) — El_C 00:03, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Keep Me In Mind — El_C 11:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Yellow Moon (w John Hiatt & Herbie Hancock) — El_C 01:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

True Faith — El_C 16:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

בא אלייך בלילה El_C 14:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

The Theme That Got Left in the Car — El_C 10:38, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Lotus Feet → India — El_C 10:07, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Revival — El_C 00:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Unfuckwitable — El_C 09:57, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Breathing — El_C 11:27, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Prune Gang Revival Tour → Darkseid / FULL (Soundcloud) — El_C 05:18, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Gleam → Glim → Mystic — El_C 13:18, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Bullets — El_C 10:38, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Them Changes — El_C 19:09, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thoughts — El_C 15:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Eyesdown → U Just R — El_C 03:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

A New Life — El_C 21:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Press Garden Zone — El_C 15:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Fish — El_C 17:15, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll Find My Way — El_C 07:01, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Lean On — El_C 10:01, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Weird Bed — El_C 03:39, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Hope Springs E

Morning Dew — El_C 00:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Delight Earth — El_C 10:36, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Funk No.1 — El_C 12:53, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Children Of The World — El_C 05:42, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Sometimes I Feel Like a Motherless Child — El_C 22:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Lay Down — El_C 14:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Colorless — El_C 16:13, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Viva L'amore — El_C 02:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Riviera Paradise El_C 10:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Plexus — El_C 13:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Virtual Insanity (Wilson remix) — El_C 12:30, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Time Paradox (Choma41 final mix) — El_C 01:00, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Love and Happiness — El_C 16:58, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

& — El_C 10:35, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Shake Down — El_C 10:50, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Fingerflowing — El_C 11:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

The Cat Came Back — El_C 10:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

In the Morning of the Magicians — El_C 22:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Mellow → Voyage — El_C 11:58, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

The Search for Optimism — El_C 13:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

On The Move — El_C 15:39, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Transmissionnn → Txt (MSGS) — El_C 10:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Phenomenal → To Forgive (Letting Go Is Hard) — El_C 18:07, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Gypsy Woman — El_C 22:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Guardian Angel — El_C 13:56, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Looking for the Sun → Cheers! — El_C 15:46, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

לך תזדיין (Go Fuck Yourself) — El_C 11:37, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Heartbreak In Paradise — El_C 12:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Jessica — El_C 22:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

You Enjoy Myself — El_C 12:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Stash — El_C 15:37, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Nsu Na Kwan (Water and Stone) — El_C 21:49, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

The Magic — El_C 12:29, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Twilight Voyage — El_C 18:15, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Dear And Soul — El_C 13:41, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Far Away → L'Uomo Invisible (The Invisible Man) — El_C 12:53, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Wolf Totem — El_C 14:08, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Jell-O — El_C 12:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

My Name Is James (Soundcloud) — El_C 12:52, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Time solo → Another Brick In The Wall solo → Comfortably Numb solo — El_C 14:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

And the livin' is EZ

Comfortably Numb (Sophie Lloyd) → Shorts shorts (shorts) ←Shut up, me! — El_C 00:57, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

First Day Of Summer — El_C 13:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Brazilian Summer — El_C 19:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Valse triste (Sad Waltz), Op. 44 — El_C 17:06, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

No Turning Back — El_C 14:01, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Come Together — El_C 17:52, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Miles Away — El_C 23:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Tuesday — El_C 14:32, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Can't Hide Love — El_C 14:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Noche de San Juan → Pra Joao → Yoruba → Semblanza de un Gigante — El_C 14:38, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Children Say → La Mer → Sound Of Blue → People Have A Right Of Pursuing Happiness — El_C 14:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Ready To Freak → When Are You Gonna Tell Your Woman (About Me)? / Sign of the Times — El_C 16:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

El Mechánico — El_C 11:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Anomalous Hedges — El_C 14:28, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

The Runaway (Icon West Remix) — El_C 16:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Where Did The Time Go? → Time's Blur — El_C 17:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Turn On Your Love Light — El_C 19:30, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Going Home — El_C 01:31, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Severance (title sequence) — El_C 19:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Diz pra Mim (Tell Me) — El_C 15:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Reminisce — El_C 17:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

怨恨白昼夢 — El_C 03:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Falleaves

Autumn — El_C 02:40, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Let's Get Blown — El_C 16:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Rest → Reset — El_C 22:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Trip to the Stix — El_C 16:43, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Blunt — El_C 18:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

It Will Work Out — El_C 10:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Festa Cante — El_C 01:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Into the Fire → Into the Fire (Combat) — El_C 15:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Just a Feeling — El_C 16:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Fallin' (Francesco Cofano Remix) — El_C 05:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

It's Not My Cross To Bear — El_C 16:23, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

A Man and a Woman (Extended Mix) — El_C 00:09, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Name Your Price — El_C 19:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

The Water's Fine! — El_C 23:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Midnight Rider — El_C 07:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

One Thing Leads to Another (Extended Version) — El_C 07:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Tabula Rasa — El_C 16:42, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

paradise — El_C 15:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

History — El_C 04:04, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

bossa uh → i'll be okay — El_C 17:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Chrono Suite — El_C 09:24, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Intelligent Design — El_C 03:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo — El_C 00:33, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Brasil — El_C 19:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Flowers — El_C 01:28, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Local Forecast → +tempo — El_C 00:00, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Into the Ether — El_C 07:34, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Mirrors — El_C 06:36, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Rise — El_C 18:45, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Hopeless Romantic — El_C 17:46, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Dream On (Morgan James) — El_C 15:21, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

FTW — El_C 17:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Dreamin — El_C 14:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Pleasure — El_C 05:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

A Hazy Shade of Winter

Hazy Shade of Winter (Radio Edit) — El_C 22:21, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Golden Hour — El_C 21:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Money, Money, Money (Joel Dickinson Remix Radio Edit) — El_C 03:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Rites Of Passage — El_C 18:45, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Pumped (Pumping the House All Night Long Extend-o-mix) — El_C 11:38, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I Remember — El_C 10:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Babydoll — El_C 08:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Spring springs

Brucia La Terra — El_C 01:26, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

It Was a Very Good Year — El_C 22:22, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Chess — El_C 04:49, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

CSGO Theme (Official) → (VMU Chamber Orchestra) → (Johnny Hua) — El_C 07:25, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Light Velocity — El_C 06:49, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Apho (feat. Bongeziwe Mabandla) ← Variables → BC — El_C 09:24, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Lady (Hear Me Tonight) — El_C 10:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Sonic Boom — El_C 13:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Rolling Star (Yuri's Mixx) — El_C 06:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Above the Clouds — El_C 14:18, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Set Me Free — El_C 14:19, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

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Chris Hedges: "The Meaning of Christmas" (December 27, 2020). El_C 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Ordinary Things: "The Evil Business of 2021" (December 31, 2021). El_C 14:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Ordinary Things: "The Bankrupt Business of 2022" (December 31, 2022). El_C 01:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will not be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

So much good music! River Man in particular is always a favourite of mine. Jr8825 • Talk 19:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

//bows El_C 12:39, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

The same ip has been vandalizing wikipedia for many years

Greeting! I have to contact one of the administrators so I decided to contact you. The same ip has been vandalizing wikipedia for many years and after being blocked it returns again from other IPs. It's about this ip [[5]] , and here he was blocked first for three months, then for a year, and came back again only from another IP [[6]] these are his edits a year ago [[7]] I hope you can solve the problem. Thank you 89.172.83.150 (talk) 07:39, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, This user 89.172.83.150 is a long LTA sock of User:Afrika paprika here [8] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:388:6060:4E59:14D2:4CE4:9A2F:93BB (talk) 07:47, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

lol very funny, some Afrika paprika from 2006, where did you find it? Please stop vandalizing wikipedia.89.172.83.150 (talk) 07:52, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

I think I can help and that it is about Sockpuppet JohnGotten and to the same Brazilian ip [[9]]from the same city89.172.83.150 (talk) 09:03, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

• What is happening here? ToBeFree, any idea? El_C 14:18, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

  Two sockpuppets reporting each other, if I see correctly. Not the first time I've seen that happen. I usually block both for disruptively reverting each other. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:54, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

  That's what I figured; was wondering if you had any specific insights about the particulars here, though. El_C 14:58, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

  I may have blocked both before, but I'm unsure. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:34, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Proposed decision posted for the SmallCat dispute case

The proposed decision in the SmallCat dispute has been posted. You are invited to review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 10:53, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I believe the intent was to migrate to WT:AFC

ANI is a useful place, but not, surely, for achieving AFC course corrections unless the situation becomes intractable? I respect your concerns about this reviewer. I just wonder if dealing with it more 'gently' might not bear sweeter fruit. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:21, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate the note, but there are problems that were brought up by another admin, which as mentioned, did not seem to have been directly addressed by the subject of that complaint. I'm all for being gentle when it is called for, and I agree that it largely does here, but I still think changing venues mid conversation was not the best idea. If a new user gets discouraged because their bio was declined for lacking an infobox — that and any similar problems like that, need to be addressed to be resolved (at the least). And such problems are an administrative matter. El_C 13:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

I understand your points. I am also grateful that we disagree collegially. Good disagreements are the building blocks of this project. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:31, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Petition to remove User:Roxy the dog’s talk page access

As you probably remember this user was Cbanned and blocked (by you) for transphobic incivility. Recently they posted a remark on their talk page that just screams transphobic trolling. I don’t think there’s any point in letting them use their talk page to post “edgy” WP:IDHT remarks no-one (well, except me and one other person) reads. Dronebogus (talk) 10:32, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Then don't read it and don't reply to it, especially a month after their original post. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:50, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but they shouldn’t be using it at all if that’s the sort of thing they’re using it for. Dronebogus (talk) 13:37, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

If a tree falls in the forest. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:28, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

*Just a quick question. Is using one's talk page for WP:SOAPBOX purposes an designated allowable use for WP:BLOCKed editors? Because I don't seem to recall that being the purpose of allowing blocked users to still access their talk page. I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the purpose of allowing users the ability to use their talk page is to request an unblock. --Jayron32 17:46, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• I think we're all aware that exactly where the use of talk pages while blocked varies from case to case, and Roxy's comment was clearly out of line. It was also appropriately lambasted by Tryptofish and did not recur. Being a month old, the whole situation was pretty stale. But don't worry, rather than just reporting this stale issue, they also made sure to make a unnecessary, baiting comment and succeeded in needlessly ramping up drama, which is currently unfolding at the talk page.

  So go ahead and pull their tpa for a month old comment that their friend told them was bad, or for their shitty response to the bait. Both are totally policy compliant. But can we also not actively increase drama and make it less likely that a long term contributor ever gets unblocked by baiting them? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  Fair enough. Point taken. I hadn't noticed the dates of the comments in question. You're right, and I (as has happened 100% of the time with everything I have ever done) am wrong. I will try to be better in the future. I won't be, mind you, but I will still try. --Jayron32 18:06, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  No worries. Mistakes happen, and the date issue was easy to miss. The behavior is bad on both sides, so I'm really just hoping it stops, and doesn't continue snowballing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:13, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  @ScottishFinnishRadish: You are right I should not have responded at the talk page (I was so annoyed I didn’t notice the date, and it was stupid and impulsive either way) but talk page access is a privilege, not a right, and Roxy shouldn’t be given leniency to do the very thing that got them Cbanned (transphobic antics) on it. Dronebogus (talk) 02:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

  Watching someone aggressively punch down on banned users in this way, and police userspace so vigorously for excuses to do so, makes me feel uncomfortable editing. jp×g 03:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

  I haven’t “vigorously policed userspace” in ages. I just was passing through out of curiosity and found the comment an egregious breach of WP:IDHT. Dronebogus (talk) 04:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

  Could full-WP:UTPROT for "severe abuse (of a talk page)" for a limited duration —Alalch E. 18:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

September music

September songs

my story today

Today's story is about a great pianist with an unusual career, taking off when he was 50. It's the wedding anniversary of Clara and Robert Schumann, but I was too late with our gift. - How are chances for Hevenu shalom aleichem? Notability questioned, did you see? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Hey thanks. But I... didn't even know they were married. And sorry, no, I did not see. Unfortunately, I remain intermittently active for the time being. Remind me what is specifically requested again? El_C 11:28, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

The reminder is above: Hevenu shalom aleichem is waiting for you adding to its importance for Israel. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure I know what its importance is for Israel, except speak to its popularity anecdotally from my own experience. As I recall, there was a source that described its possible origins and various usages through the years — is that what you're referring to? El_C 12:15, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Above, you hinted at it sung against British supremacy (1945), welcoming refugees (1946), and El Al landed safely song, - all three would be welcome additions, but - as you know - would need a source. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh right, I'm remembering now. Its from the notes in the Hebrew source I cited in the article. It references a lecture by אליהו הכהן, a scholar who specializes in Israeli music (work for which he was awarded the Israel Prize). El_C 12:34, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

And can you please add all that to the article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah np, give me a sec. El_C 12:54, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Btw, check out the 2018 performance by the Jerusalem Academy of Music and Dance in one of the refs I used: https://www.jamd.ac.il/ar/node/5937 El_C 13:46, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the additions. The performance is on yt, and I recommended it to the reviewers while they waited for your addition ;) (check out the nomination, it's on the article talk page) - Today I remember Raymond Arritt, who still helps me, five years after he died, per what he said in my darkest time on Wikipedia (placed in my edit-notice as a reminder), and by teh rulez. - Latest pics from a weekend in Berlin (one more day to come). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:40, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

In case you have time for a psalm, Psalm 137 would be nice - short and important. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 23:23, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

thank you! - we'll get there this year! - next Psalm 135, and you can just replace the example by it on the talk page, or even edit it the article directly --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

How many lines? El_C 17:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

21 verses - was at concert, sorry for delay --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

21 is a much larger number than 9!!!! El_C 06:54, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

List of highest grossing films protection.

It has been years since the page mentioned above was protected. If it’s okay, do you mind reducing to semi? Thanks. Super yoshi013021 (talk) 16:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Sure, let's give it a go. El_C 17:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I disagree with this, based on the history of the page, always very popular, and popular = more vandalism, so for me the extended protection was perfect for this page--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 17:22, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

It'd be easy enough to retcon. If disruption from confirmed accounts resumes, drop me a line about it here or post about it at WP:RFPP/I. It'll literally take a few second/clicks. Thanks. El_C 17:32, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

A cabaret song

Ballad of the Soldier's Wife. Not in enwiki or dewiki (and I don't think I could justify an article), so for its background you'll have to google. Marianne Faithfull too has inhabited the song. Narky Blert (talk) 18:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

That's right, I'm a song guy now (i.e. Gerda writes 90 percent of the content and I take 90 percent of the credit)! But let me ask you this? When the veil is lifted, do light and dark become one? El_C 06:54, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

When you eventually see through the veils to how things really are, you will keep saying again and again, this is certainly not like we thought it was. Narky Blert (talk) 07:57, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I also think that. Again and again — one time. El_C 08:15, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Question regarding 3rr

Hello, this week there was a person abusing multiple IPs, now that the IP range is blocked, can I revert back since some pages already have 3rr? Whenever the ip was blocked, he came with another. See Special:Contributions/46.106.245.90 Beshogur (talk) 23:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Universally, no; see WP:3RRNO. But in this case, maybe. It would depend on the particulars, the nature of the edits (e.g. WP:BLP, WP:SPAM, etc.) Regardless, though, if they keeps returning with new IPs, those pages probably require protection. HTH. El_C 07:08, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Richard Gill again

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Good evening. A few days ago there was a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Number of concerns on a COI editor about Richard Gill, who had been doing conflict of interest editing and advocacy at Lucy Letby and Richard D. Gill (he's the one who campaigns for nurses who've been convicted). I was involved in some of the discussions on Talk:Lucy Letby which Snugglewasp was talking about in their report at the noticeboard. You ended up blocking the user from editing his own article and from the Letby page and its talk, a decision I agree with. But since then the users actions have made me wonder if more is needed, especially as you said on his talk that it was a 'final warning'. Today I was going over the article about the guy (which we've found he made in the first place) to see if I could clean it up, since a user put a banner at the top of the page warning that there had been conflict of interest editing there and the page may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies. I removed a lot of dubious unreferenced content, a user later said I was doing it a bit too quickly on talk so I accept may not have done it as best as I could. But then Richard Gill appeared on the talk discussion and started being pretty aggressive with me and making unfounded assumptions of me, saying "you are angry with me because we have different opinions concerning the guilt or innocence of Lucy Letby" [10] and then claiming I was consistently not assuming good faith and somehow "vandalising"(!) his article by removing unreferenced content: "You are consistently refusing to apply the good faith presumption to my work on Wikipedia and now it seems you are vandalising the article about me" [11]. I mean I didn't even know who this person was until the other day and I've only been briefly involved in a couple of discussions involving him on the Lucy Letby talk, so I don't understand how I'm consistently refusing to apply the good faith presumption? Then it kind of got worse and he basically started continuing on with the long advocacy-like comments as he'd been sanctioned for on the Lucy Letby talk page so he could just carry on with the advocacy inappropriately on his own talk page, complaining about how "I was attacked by a number of editors of the Lucy Letby article who presumed that I was doing some kind of campaigning pro Lucy on the talk page. I was not campaigning, I was trying to inform them of ongoing developments which may well be relevant in the near future" [12]. The advocacy on Letby and UK law returned with "It furthermore seems that no-one understands the difference between actually being guilty, and being found guilty, of alleged crimes. In the US and most of Europe every convicted person has a right to appeal. In the UK you only have a right to ask for an appeal and it can be turned down by a single judge. Legal scholars agree that UK's criminal prosecution procedures have become strongly biased in favour of the prosecution. The level playing field is tilted" (bare in mind that this was the Richard Gill talk page and a discussion on unverified edits, not a discussion page for Lucy Letby) [13]. Then it was going off on another self-advocacy tangent on him and other campaigners: "The UK public has been whipped up into a frenzy of hatred for a murderer of tiny babies, who possibly is actually not a murderer at all. According to a growing number of people she was a whistleblower in a failing NHS hospital, and this led to four consultants reporting her to the police. Some notable authorities are now speaking out in public in her favour and supporting the movement for a retrial. If I were allowed to edit the Lucy Letby talk page, I would be able to give reliable sources and further information" [14]. So he's also continuing in an unrelated place about his block on Lucy Letby and using that space instead to carry on the advocacy and campaigning. Another thing is I've noticed which seems to have gone unnoticed in the prior discussion is the extent of the conflict of interest editing he has done. I've found on his recent edit list that he's been editing Ben Myers -- Lucy Letby's lawyer -- who it turns out also rejected the help of Richard Gill in the trial. For example, he was posting links to Myers' web profiles in the middle of the article (in wikivoice) which is potentially more advocacy(?) [15]. So he's been editing the article of Letby's lawyer who he has a personal conflict of interest relationship with. Also, he's been editing at Countess of Chester Hospital (where the Letby murders occurred), literally posting a random link to one of his personal websites campaigning for her (and this was during her trial) [16]. So again, more self-promotion on conflict of interest articles.

So I thought I should just let you know, with you concluding last time to give a lenient p-block as a final warning, further action may be needed. Regards, Structuralists (talk) 20:36, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Structuralists, paragraph breaks are your friend! But, yeah, those are concerning comments. It's one thing for him to use the talk page of his bio for notable biographical matters, yet another as a WP:FORUM to complain about his sanction (diff). So indeed, further action may well be needed. Please report back here or at ANI in the unfortunately not unlikely chance that happens. El_C 21:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Richard Gill again x2

Sorry - I know I must be being a nuisance now! But you said report back here if he did anything else, so you may want to know his continuing behaviour. It turns out that, after those edits to Richard Gill's article I did the other day and since, he has gone on to his personal Twitter to call for followers to "get involved in the Wikipedia articles on Lucy Letby, now spilling over into the article about myself", which he knows full well he's blocked on so seems to be trying to get people to apply his desired edits by proxy: https://twitter.com/gill1109/status/1706191884853404049. Is this WP:CANVASSING? I know there was a question mark over possible canvassing on the original ANI report, but this seems a step above?

Also, he's gone round continuing the advocacy and forum stuff and asking at other Wiki pages for other editors to try and stop edits to his page: [17], [18]. Some of the things he promotes, such as "About 50% of the UK public 'knows' she is a serial killer of defenceless babies, the other 50% is rather concerned that her trial does not appear to have been very fair", have no basis in fact or sources at all, as previously noted on the ANI. And he's still using these spaces to complain about his ban, as you can see. And on his article's talk page he's also been carrying on too with forum-advocacy-like stuff on Lucy Letby [19]. In this edit too he put in the edit summary "Aggressive editing of the article about myself and censorship of expression of the view that Lucy Letby might be innocent" and called for the editor to do something about it - potentially also canvassing? [20]. Anyway, thought it was worth reporting back here. Structuralists (talk) 18:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Blocked indefinitely: User talk:Gill110951#Indefinite block. El_C 19:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Part of me feels bad, but I do think that is right. There are so many rules being infringed on. Thank you Structuralists (talk) 21:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Restore semi protection on New York City

Hello, El C. Since you asked for it, here's your reminder to restore the indef semi protection on New York City, as your full protection has expired. Sincerest well-wishes. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:32, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 08:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Daikido

Just a heads-up, you told them that you've set their block not to expire, but the block log says otherwise. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:18, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Pawnkingthree. I appreciate the heads up. El_C 16:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure

kek means what you think it does. I had to look it up. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:25, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Wait, you don't think it meant that because you had to look it up? El_C 05:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

No. Why would you say that??? According to Wiktionary, it means LOL. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 09:26, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't know the background and had no idea about kek until viewing wikt:kek, but Wiktionary includes "Since 2016, the term kek has been associated with some sectors of the American white supremacist alt-right movement" so it may be more than lol. Johnuniq (talk) 09:35, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, that. Sorry, I assumed you read the entry beyond the opening line, DFO. Anyway, more info @Pepe the Frog#Kek. The short of it: word got hijacked by racists, later reclaimed by the mainstream, but racists still continue to use it for their purposes. HTH. El_C 19:43, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Now I'm more confused, but my impression of the editor in question was that he is Kekistani? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:51, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, are you asking me? Ultimately, I don't think the ideological basis for their despicable provocations really matters all that much. El_C 20:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

October music

Stylish moo

October songs

my story today

My story today is sad but great. - I wonder about the pet-factor of the horny creatures pictured. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

My condolences. You knew him personally? *** Yeah, definitely, stylish moo. El_C 19:53, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

I knew him, as you someone with whom you share a passion, this festival. For decades, he held the annual meetings of the members, greeting everyone personally. He had an amazingly soft kind of determination. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Again, I'm sorry for your loss. It sounds like his legacy will live on, though, in those whom his creativity moved, like yourself. All the best, El_C 20:07, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

A few more pics, and see my talk for what we sang today (2 psalms, and prayers for Israel), and what Tabea Zimmermann played (today's story on her birthday): I heard it, and it's on YouTube. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Suscepit Israel, and Draft:Shalom chaverim (not by me, see my talk) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:07, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Unfortunately, I'll be away for a while. But remind me once I'm back. El_C 13:55, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

take it on your ways --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

You commented on the arb noticeboard, and I may forget by the time you return, so just ask now, not expecting an answer soon (or at all): "I've probably stopped more infobox conflicts by simply telling disputants that WP:ARBINFOBOX exists." you said, and I am curious to look at just one instance of something like that. I was also surprised that you'd mention that case, when the motion was about WP:ARBINFOBOX2. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:40, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Today, it's a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. My corner for memory and music has today a juxtaposition of what our local church choirs offer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Towards the end of the month, I thought of Brian Bouldton, and his ways to compromise, - with musings about peace there, - feel free to join. Hevenu shalom aleichem. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Help needed

Good day. There is a lot of disruption and cherrypicking of sources done by editors on Balsic noble family at the moment. I honeslty think that POV pushing like this should have no place on articles about Middle ages. At the same time, one editor, within hours of massive changes on this article, asked to have it renamed, per Albanian POV. Just check the COA description and the way new material has been formulated. Can we get things back to neutral and status quo? Thank you. 109.245.229.163 (talk) 15:54, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for expanding and referencing the article on the Jewish/Israeli folk song Hevenu shalom aleichem! gidonb (talk) 14:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate your acknowledgment, Gidon, thank you! Sorry for the belated reply (by a month to the day, as it happens). El_C 03:47, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Zuijin

Hello mr El C. Can I add more informations on Zuijin page from japanese wikipedia??? Kizetora (talk) 08:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

File:37 pending requests!.jpg listed for discussion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:37 pending requests!.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Seawolf35 (talk - email) 18:55, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Hevenu shalom aleichem

On 2 November 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hevenu shalom aleichem, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after signing the Camp David Accords in 1978, Prime Minister Menachem Begin ended a speech with a desire to sing the peace song "Hevenu shalom aleichem" with the people of Israel? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hevenu shalom aleichem. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Hevenu shalom aleichem), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:02, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

November songs

story · music

Thank you what you put into Hevenu shalom aleichem, - my story today. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I proudly remember having sung in an oratorio premiere seven years ago OTD. - With Psalm 143, I finished what I could do, imagine, and it had Hebrew already. For the enemy hath persecuted my soul; he hath smitten my life down to the ground; he hath made me to dwell in darkness, as those that have been long dead. Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed within me; my heart within me is desolate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

A butterfly in the vacation pictures ... my story today is a DYK hook from 13 years ago OTD: about the great music at one of my churches. Mozart's Requiem to come on Sunday, coupled with Arvo Pärt's Da pacem Domine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm more interested in new cat! Also, Ibiza, ooh-la-la. Also also, theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:02, 2 November 2023 (UTC)? But how?! DYK that Theleekycauldron ≠ Leaky caldron? The more you now. Anyway, hope to be back more actively in the coming month. TTYS! El_C 03:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Great to hear from you! Today's DYK is derived from the Song of Songs, Canticle I: My beloved is mine and I am his, - the composer, born OTD 110 years ago, didn't want it shorter (but the publisher). - DYK that all psalms are done KJV-wise, just Hebrew missing? Psalm 72 next. 20 verses, 3: "The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, that's cool! From the mountains to God's ear, as they say. About Psalms with lines in the double digis: how about you do it and I check your work. Because it's quite tedious to copy/paste to that awkward table format. El_C 07:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

That's an idea, - I'll try - later, and will ping you. Sorry about the misplaced hint at YouTube, - more here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:03, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

I tried Psalm 61 (on the talk page of the summary), 9 verses. - If you can add to Draft:Shalom chaverim, we'd love it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Today: in memoriam Jerome Kohl who said (In Freundschaft): "and I hope that they have met again in the beyond and are making joyous music together" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, It seems like you're the user who protected the Maqluba page, it seems like that actions has hindered honest research and a thorough look into the subject's history and origins. I would hope to hear from you about your thoughts on the issue fronting us.

Thank you! TemporaryProfile00 (talk) 15:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

No thoughts. WP:ARBECR is what it is. El_C 03:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Jackson Hinkle arbitration enforcement

Firstly, thank you for protecting the article that had begun to be heavy vandalized. However I noticed you protected the article to WP:XC as opposed to WP:AUTOC. The reason I reference this is because I have contributed a considerable amount to the article and my account is not yet under WP:XC [21], and as you might of guessed there are further edits I would (ideally) like to contribute already.

I also believe your reasoning for WP:XC as WP:PIA and WP:RUSUKR, while definitely used WP:BROADLY, is potentially a bit too broad given it's based on the biography of a living person, not a war subject. Ideally however, the article would have been WP:AUTOC initially, given the vandalism has exclusively been from IP addresses and new accounts, and therefore likely would not require further protections at this time. Although I do understand you have further reasoning that wasn't mentioned in this arbitration enforcement.

Also to note, there are many articles of American political commentators, that have distinct opinions on the aforementioned conflicts that are merely protected only by WP:XC, seemingly successfully. So I write to you to asking you to reconsider the current level of protection, even though I suspect my opinion is irrelevant, as well as pinging @Patar knight who has been involved in the article for opinion on the subject. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:58, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

CommunityNotesContributor, your statement that it's based on the biography of a living person, not a war subject with regards to WP:ECP is not actually thing. Any ARBPIA edits of note, in any page, are automatically to be subject to WP:ARBECR, under General sanctions upon related content (contra Standing sanctions upon primary articles). I've likewise protected countless BLPs and non-BLPs who were not "war subjects" (however that's defined). This protection request was no different, so its accompanying level of protection simply isn't something I have that much discretion over. Anyway, you could request an expedited extended confirmed useright at WP:PERM/EC. In the meantime, you could make use of the edit request feature. Thank you. El_C 12:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Understood, thanks for elaborating. I didn't release there was an edit request feature, will use that instead. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 13:09, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Indefinite ECP on Women in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war

Hello. I'm not challenging you here and saying you did something wrong. You're more experienced than I am. I am asking for clarification.

On November 20, I declined a request for protection of this page because no disruption had occurred on the article [22]. At that point, the article was just six hours old. There had been a single vandal edit [23] but it was innocuous. My reading of Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles doesn't indicate that we should preemptively protect such articles. In fact, it seems to indicate the opposite when it says "When disruptive edits are being made...". I still don't see disruptive edits being made to the article (though I grant I haven't reviewed every single edit). I also note that WP:PREEMPTIVE says we shouldn't preemptively protect pages either, though there are of course exceptions.

I readily granted I am not experienced in this area of arbitration enforcement. Maybe I shouldn't have declined the original request. Though, no subsequent damage has occurred. Is it common practice to preemptively protect this topical area? Is there some place this is codified that I can refer to if challenged on it? Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey. So my modus operandi in these instances is that if an EC user applies a meaningful revert to a contested edit by a non-EC user, then I usally apply WP:ARBECR. On this occasion, the revert in question was by an EC user (Nableezy) who re-added the Gaza Strip section, which yesterday a non-EC user (Hila Livne) had removed. Hope this answer makes sense. Regards, El_C 17:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

I should also note that Courcelles is an admin (and former arb who helped draft WP:ARBPIA3) who believes preemptive protection should be applied to those pages, even if there is no disruption or otherwise contested edits by non-EC users. But I do not subscribe to his view, which I feel is in the minority of current convention. El_C 17:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) User:Hammersoft was asking the general question how admins should justify their decisions to apply EC protection to these articles. Under WP:ARBECR and WP:ARBPIA4, the *entire* Arab-Israeli conflict is under the extended confirmed restriction anyway. Non-EC editors can't edit I/P articles, they are limited to making edit requests on the talk page. It is still up to discretion whether admins should apply EC protection on individual pages. Admins may differ on whether to do this, but I myself would be likely to apply ECP if there had been any disruption and if someone requested the protection. EdJohnston (talk) 17:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Exactly, EdJohnston. Which, as I note in the section above this one in response to downgrade request by a non-EC user, applies to both primary articles as well as related content. El_C 17:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

IP you banned for a few months is making similar edits

Wanted to bring this to your attention. The edits of this IP you previously banned for 3 months who became unbanned yesterday are problematic at best: Special:Contributions/107.10.129.126

• Changing "George Floyd protests" to "riots": [24]
• Accusing you of libel and being a "rogue editor": [25][26]

Cerebral726 (talk) 19:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Cerebral726. El_C 01:41, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Accidental revert

Hi, I got mixed up between tabs and wrongly reverted one of your edits at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard. I'm sorry for this stuff up - there was obviously nothing at all wrong with your edit. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 09:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

All good Nick-D, thanks. Best, El_C 09:48, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Warning needed?

Hi there. Would you mind taking a look at this edit summary to see if a NPA warning would be appropriate? Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

BMK, briefly because I'm writing in haste. Yes, that's not nice, but your Please go to the talk page and get a consensus for your edit (diff) seems misplaced; by treating your preferred edit as the longstanding version and the IP's as the contending one, when it's the other way around. The IP has objected from the outset, a few days after it was added (diff). And I get that the addition's author used Effects of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war#Background (where that connection is sourced) in their edit summary (diff), but that does not automatically guarantees its inclusion. What I'm saying is that the WP:ONUS is on you, but you placed it on the IP. Or at least that's how it looks like at a cursory glance. Regards, El_C 21:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Point taken, thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:17, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I've opened a discussion on the article talk page. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:22, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Ramkani Page ANI notice

Hey, not sure if you remember my ANI notice on an editor for edit warring and violating 3RR on the page Battle of Ramkani. You blocked that user but it just seems like another user, possibly a sockpuppet has revived the unsourced content on the page. Atp can you possibly mandate a much higher protection level? Noorullah (talk) 13:24, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

All sorted, Noorullah. El_C 16:06, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much. Noorullah (talk) 16:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Redirecting a page

Hello El_C, would you kindly help redirect International Confederation of Labor to IWA-AIT#Conflict and ICL-CIT split (2010s)? Currently it redirects to a section that no longer exists. Thanks. Sisuvia (talk) 15:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker). User:Sisuvia, I think I fixed this. See if you agree. EdJohnston (talk) 20:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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Today's story is about Maria Callas, on her centenary. - Aaron Copland died OTD, and Jerome Kohl said something wise on Copland's talk. - Can you please check my Psalm 62, tried where you also had yours. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:35, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

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biggest box office bombs

Can you please add the flash (2023) on that page because it is said to be one of the biggest flops ever. 67.58.225.52 (talk) 21:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks re Myanmar

Hi El C, I know it was a while ago but I want to thank you for your patience with me on the Myanmar articles. I have a tendency to get flustered when coming under attack, so I made some mistakes when that happened with some new editors who happened to be from Myanmar. I have a lot of sympathy for their situation, though. I edit in that area because it's one of the most backwards regimes in the world but that gets very little attention. Anyway, thanks and happy holidays. 25stargeneral (talk) 18:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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Many thanks, SchroCat, merry Christmas and happy new year to you too! 🎅 El_C 08:48, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Norman Lear

Thank you for the page protection, could you please restore the infobox image, the IP changed it right before you set the protection. Thank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 16:51, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

And you reverted 30 minutes prior to that. That's just the luck of the draw. El_C 17:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanx for supporting an editwaring IP. - FlightTime (open channel) 17:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

As opposed to an edit warring veteran editor? It takes two to edit war, and you do not get supremacy over an IP editor by virtue of being a veteran editor. So you can take your Wrong version complaint and sarcasm elsewhere. El_C 17:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm done here, you prob now. - FlightTime (open channel) 17:24, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Works for me, even though I don't understand what is meant by you prob now (what is a "prob"?). El_C 17:28, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I have tried to discuss this issue on the talk page, but I am met only with vague responses and rationalizations about why an obscure 1975 photo is somehow more appropriate. Instead user FlightTime seems to be giving off the feeling that he is superior and because "they said so" therefore the old photo must be sealed for eternity.

Are we serving the public on Wikipedia or our own interests? What would actually be more recognizable for the general public, a more recent photo of Mr. Lear (of which there are many, again just look at google image results), or a cropped and not easily identifiable one that some users are stubbornly insisting be used? 2604:3D09:6A85:6000:AC47:C232:AFD7:7802 (talk) 18:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I know you tried, IP. If you end up at an impasse on the talk page, you could always try seeking a Third opinion or even a more substantive Request for comment. HTH. El_C 18:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your considerate responses. 2604:3D09:6A85:6000:AC47:C232:AFD7:7802 (talk) 19:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

What would be the process for Third Opinion or Request for Comment should it come to that? 2604:3D09:6A85:6000:AC47:C232:AFD7:7802 (talk) 19:35, 19 December 2023 (UTC)