Talk:2023 Prague shootings

Title

Should it be 2023 Prague shooting, Charles University shooting, Prague university shooting or something else? X2023X (talk) 17:12, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm fine with the current title for now Marginataen (talk) 17:26, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

If the crimes started outside Prague the title isn't entirely accurate, but then again in that case neither are the listed alternatives. Unless it becomes 2023 Prague and Kladno shootings or the like. Paris1127 (talk) 18:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Does anyone have any proof about the weapon?

There are no citations for the fact that it is an AR-15 or AR-10-style weapon, does anyone have any proof that that is the case? 188.231.9.162 (talk) 18:01, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Removed, thanks. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 18:22, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

NYT isn’t the only source?

I’d just like the user by the name of Toadspike to know that the New York Times isn’t the only reliable source reporting this incident. 188.231.9.162 (talk) 18:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

You can edit the article and add more sources? Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 18:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: Toadspike Queen of Hearts ❤️ (she/they 🎄 🏳️‍⚧️) 18:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the ping. To the IP editor: I do not mean to offend by making many edits based on the NYT article. It is simply the source I have open, and one which says basically the same thing as most of the other American sources. I assume this criticism is about me changing the number of dead to 15. The NYT includes the victims father in the 15, and at the time no other sources cited here reported a number above 15, so I assumed they all also included the father in the 15. Now it seems that the number of dead has unfortunately risen further, so this may be a moot point.

As for me making many, very rapid edits, I am doing this to avoid edit conflicts. I hope it isn't annoying to those tracking the edit history. Toadspike (talk) 18:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Beginning of article

Right now we have "On 21 December 2023, more than 23 people, including the perpetrator, David Kozák, and his father, were killed in a mass shooting at the Faculty of Arts, Charles University on Jan Palach Square in central Prague, Czech Republic."

I propose something like:

"On 21 December 2023 more than X people were killed in a mass shooting Faculty of Arts, Charles University in central Prague, Czech Republic."

Then move the other info somewhere lower: "Police identified David Kozák as the shooter, who took his own life after killing X others. Police said that Kozák shot his father to death earlier in the day." Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 18:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

"According to...." language

Please note that because Wikipedia has its references system, WP:INTEXT says "It is preferable not to clutter articles with information best left to the references. Interested readers can click on the ref to find out the publishing journal" — in other words, news media has to say "According to..." due to journalistic considerations of who got the scoop, plus their inability to insert lengthy references in the midst of their article. Wikipedia has refs, and is an encyclopedia, not news, so Wikipedia articles simply report what the sources says while leaving it to the refs to indicate who said it. Abductive (reasoning) 19:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

What is the point of the ‘he who shall not be named’ situation with the suspect’s name?

Several news sources have reported the name of the suspect as David Kozak, including the Daily Telegraph and several local news sources. Why keep it hidden any longer? 188.231.9.162 (talk) 19:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)