User talk:Magnolia677

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This user has created 368 articles on Wikipedia.

This user took the red pill, not the blue pill.

Why did you revert my edit?

Hello, I was trying to make a edit on Sulphur Springs, Texas. However, my edit has been reverted for some reason. Is there a valid reason for this? - Kittenvy

@Kittenvy: Thanks for writing. My concern was that you added the 2020 population, but the source cited says you accessed it in 2018. You also changed all the quotation marks to curly style, which are not used on Wikipedia. You also removed the italics from all the newspaper titles, and changed them to curly quotes. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:49, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Green River, Utah

Hi there, I reverted your edit in the Popular Culture section of Green River, Utah. ‘’The Monkey Wrench Gang‘’ is a very famous work of fiction. You can find it in any major bookstore nationwide, even after being published almost 50 years ago. It is therefore notable and meets wikipedia’s requirements. I agree with your removal of the other parts of the section. Have a good day.

@Red Rocks and Sage Bush: And I reverted your edit again. Please see my edit summary on the article. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:46, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Please see my edit of your revert. Red Rocks and Sage Bush (talk) 16:01, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Mall images

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ArticleDiscoveries1934 - seems that the person commenting on the mall gallery, the person reinstating the mall gallery, and the person(s) adding images to the mall gallery are all the same person. Or at least that’s what I’m alleging. 10mmsocket (talk) 08:12, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@10mmsocket: Good eye. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 08:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Magnolia677 @10mmsocket Hello there, but why did all of brought me to sock puppet investigations? Other editors are completely different people and I never did anything terrible or poor to this article, so I do not deserve a check on that. NorthernBladeLights9 (talk) 18:07, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Go read WP:DUCKTEST. I see your post above, and your other protests, but all I hear is “quack, quack, quack, quack…” Wasting good, well-intentioned people’s time like this is lame and disrespectful. 10mmsocket (talk) 19:58, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Rockingham, North Carolina

Your recent edit to Rockingham, North Carolina re-introduced a link to the John Hutchinson disambiguation page, which doesn’t help the reader as there is no other article that mentions the mayor. The reference that I added to Rockingham, North Carolina was to give proof of his relationship to the town, since there’s no article on him and no other mention of him in the Rockingham article. If you wish to include him in the article, perhaps it would be better to use the title John Hutchinson (politician). Leschnei (talk) 23:30, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

@Leschnei: I fixed that less then two minutes later. He was removed from the list of notable people because he does not meet the criteria for inclusion, per WP:USCITIES#Notable people. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:12, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Magnolia677

Saratoga Springs, New York

Hello Magnolia, hope all is well with you. I think Saratoga Springs, New York could use an extra pair of eyes. I’ve cleaned up some of the promo puffery advertorial content and there may be a COI involved. Netherzone (talk) 00:37, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@Netherzone: Hi there. Which particular section? The “in popular culture” is enormous. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:52, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I’ve cleaned up the Economics section, and a some clean up of the Gov’t, Parks & recreation, Thoroughbred racing, Arts & Culture and History, but there is more to do. If you want to tackle In Popular culture, that would be excellent. Thank you in advance! Netherzone (talk) 15:32, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

June 2023

Hello, I’m 2600:1009:B004:7211:0:B:5E7B:E01. I noticed that you recently removed content from Dorian Rhea Debussy without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don’t worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Selected publications Title, topic, and publisher indicate the forthcoming work meetings wiki’s standards; no worries but please review policy on forthcoming publications before future edit here. Re-added book chapter to the list per note on edit. 2600:1009:B004:7211:0:B:5E7B:E01 (talk) 02:16, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

me angry

After all these years I wanna know, why do you keep reverting and removing my article edits ? do you specifically hate me ? Or is it that you are pro-American and hate anybody that tries to correct yours and others’ pro-American Wiki articles to reflect the Factual Canadian aspects involved. Today’s example - “Augustus Jones (c. 1757 – November 16, 1836) was an American-born Upper Canadian farmer…” – American born implies born in the U.S. which in 1757 is emphatically impossible, because the U.S. DID NOT EXIST IN 1757 ! I could have changed it to “Canadian” because Canada was noted on maps as existing at the time of his birth. but in deference to factual accuracy, I changed it to say “North American”. I see that you received quite a few awards for writing and contributing to the “10,000 Challenge of WikiProject Canada.” I shudder trying to imagine the shear amount of incorrect “Canada” things you contributed. DO NOT REVERT MY AUGUSTUS EDIT, NOR ANY OTHER CANADIAN EDIT BY ME EVER AGAIN.

Stevehartwell (talk) 15:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Stevehartwell: You’re madder than a mosquito in a mannequin factory. I’ve never edited Augustus Jones. Look at the edit history. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:55, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I believe the editor is referring to something that happened in 2018. Take a look at their Talk page - you’ll also see my warning.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

High Point

Remember that you’re at 3RR now. I’ve left a note for the other editor, so they are appropriately warned if they revert again. ‘’’Acroterion (talk)‘’’ 22:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Acroterion: I removed unsourced content. I’m not sure how to have a discussion about original research falsely cited to a source. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Just keep in mind that it’s not an exemption to 3RR. That doesn’t mean it can’t be reported as disruptive editing, or referred to AN3. ‘’’Acroterion (talk)‘’’ 00:44, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Tactics to change title at article:Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory

It makes it very difficult to WP:AGF with editors that have been around a long time but seemingly make questionable claims in their edit summaries. This seems very questionable. I would prefer to discuss it here rather than the article page because it is off topic from discussing the actual article. DN (talk) 04:03, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Darknipples: I believed that my edit summary was accurate, but I see you have since reverted the edit, so I’ll just wait for a clearer consensus to emerge. My apology if I misinterpreted the discussion. Thanks for writing. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:16, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Be fair and equitable

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Grass_Valley%2C_California&diff=1161268403&oldid=1161223657

explain that to me, you removed as “unsourced content” when all but three of the people in that list have no refs. So why don’t you go back remove the dozens of other unsourced people there? 70.161.8.90 (talk) 19:20, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

There is no source at Erika Flores to support the she lives in Grass Valley, and you also failed to add a source when you added her at Grass Valley. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:45, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

“Edit is a tad biased”?

"A tad"? The edit is a BLP violation as it asserts a serious crime against someone who hasn’t been charged. This is further proof, as with the above paragraphs that members of Democrat party are partisan hacks that do not believe what they say and are only in search of complete power. The IP didn’t even bother to put a Fox News or Breitbart source behind that whopper. And please keep your personal commentary out of edit summaries. The New York Post may have been founded by Alexander Hamilton, but now it’s owned by Rupert Murdoch. Much like how Republicans were the anti-slavery party in the 1850s-1860s, and then they were the ones opposing civil rights in the 1950s-1960s. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:31, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: What are you talking about? The ‘’New York Post’’ won a Pulitzer in 2018 for exposing the hoax that Russia collaborated with the Trump campaign to interfere with the 2016 election!! Wait a minute, I’m confused. Maybe it was the ‘’New York Times’’…for something Russia related. Anyway, the ‘’Post’’ steadfastly reported that the Hunter Biden laptop was ‘’’definitely Russian disinformation!’’’ Wait a minute…I’m confused again…well, it was ‘’one of those New York papers’’. Muboshgu, don’t get angry with those who offend you with the truth, get angry with those who comfort you with lies. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:21, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Your edit summary was inappropriate and this comment is too. You’ve been around here long enough that you should know better than this. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:21, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

re: "the ones opposing civil rights in the 1950s-1960s" - Are you going to bother to put a source behind that whopper? OckRaz ^talk 06:33, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Please explain the revert

Hello, Magnolia. I noticed that you reverted my edit on the page Titusville, Florida because it was “unsourced.” However, I was only looking at the census box because it was literally showing the 2020 census population. This also happened a few months ago in 2022 once I saw my edit on Michigan City, Indiana reverted. When you get the chance, please explain how it was unsourced and I will reply ASAP. Thank you.

Sahas P. (talk) 15:44, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Sahas P.: Thank you for writing. The source accompanying your edit did not support your edit, and the source supporting the census box edit did not support that edit either. Census data for 2022 cannot be supported by a dead link accessed eight years ago. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

So does that mean basically I have to change the source so that it supports the edit? Sahas P. (talk) 15:54, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Sahas P.: A consensus of editors at WP:CITEWEB have agreed that editors must link to the “URL of the specific web page ‘’where the referenced content can be found”’’. Also, updating the access date tells others the source has been updated. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:03, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

You didn’t update & cleanup the reference, per your edit. The old reference wasn’t an exact link for the city, because lazy editors long ago used “census.gov” as the source. The correct way to reference it requires a lot more effort. I manually did it for every city in Kansas, thus no one can complain to me that it can’t be done properly. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 00:19, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

For example, here is the census reference for Wichita, Kansas that created about 1.5 years ago: <ref name="Census-2020-Profile">{{cite web |title=Profile of Wichita, Kansas in 2020 |url=https://data.census.gov/cedsci/profile?g=1600000US2079000 |publisher=United States Census Bureau |access-date=November 14, 2021 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20211115012419/https://data.census.gov/cedsci/profile?g=1600000US2079000 |archive-date=November 14, 2021 |url-status=live}}</ref>

Here is my 2020 census edit for Titusville, Florida. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 00:42, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion

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Happy 4th of July!

Colman2000 (talk) is wishing you a Happy 4th of July! On this day, we recognize our independence from Great Britain with the adoption of the Declaration of Independence, which ultimately paved the way to our freedom. Celebrate this day in many different ways, such as hosting a barbecue, watching baseball games, or even attending a fireworks show! Happy Independence Day, fellow American!  
 

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@Colman2000: Hey thanks. Enjoy the day! Magnolia677 (talk) 17:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Undone edits by me

Sorry for restoring some edits that were not properly sourced (that you had removed). Thanks for catching that and reverting it again. Poketama (talk) 02:29, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Asking for clarification on “Jordan, Minnesota” edit reversion.

Hi Magnolia 677,

I noticed that you reverted an edit I made on the “Jordan, Minnesota” article this past week. You left the message “WP:DUE none of these are notable”. Looking carefully through the WP:DUE section I had some ideas for places my addition to the article had fallen short on meeting this rule. However, I’m somewhat confused why all the information was reverted. 1. Since my contribution relies almost entirely on encyclopedic historical events in each places of worship history in Jordan, I’m unsure how I would go about providing a different perspective. Jordan has no other religious or non-religious places of worship that I know of and I feel the rest of the article well establishes other perspectives of the current and historic city. 2. I can see that the details I contributed for the “St.John the Baptist Catholic Church” and “Jordan Family Church” were rather detailed for such a small part of the topic of Jordan, MN. However, most of the other churches mentioned are explained a short in concise “church is X denomination; congregation formed X year; building built X year; (optionally) previously located in X building. 3. I can see that the majority of my sources come from the religious institutions explaining their own history. If this was the issue you were getting at, I can easily provide secular sources on much of the information I contributed if that would be preferable or add these sources to with the ones I contributed before. 4. Alternatively, If you suggesting that the information I contributed veers too far from the intent of the “Jordan, Minnesota” article I can move my information to its own article and just add a “see also link to what’s already in that section”.

Overall, I’d like to share the information I’ve collected in a way that would satisfy Wikipedia’s guidelines agreeable to those working on this page. And am looking for clarification on my best next course of action. Werewright (talk) 00:42, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

@Werewright: Could you please start a discussion on the article talk page. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Undone Edits

You deleted an edit of mine asking for “sourced material” when there was an entire article in Wikipedia about the fact. Stop being a deleting tyrant, without actually doing any research first. Spr519 (talk) 12:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Edits on Vestal, New York

Hi Magnolia677. While I want to thank you for your significant improvement of the Vestal, New York article, I'd also like to remind you about a couple of Wikipedia policies. You removed content, asserting (incorrectly) in your edit summary that the Binghamton University campus is not located in Vestal. I restored that content, as it is true and has been in the article for many years - your subsequent reversion goes against WP:RVREASONS, which requests that you discuss this on the talk page after removed content is restored. I have since provided multiple citations that back up the location of the campus.

Certainly good to address unsourced material, but per WP:NOCITE, you should really add a tag requesting citations, instead of removing longstanding content, particularly when you aren't certain of the veracity of the content yourself. You're certainly a more experienced editor than I, but I hope a refresher on these policies might help for future edits. Thanks. Vmanjr (talk) 11:23, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@Vmanjr: I reverted your edit because it was unsourced. A cornerstone policy on Wikipedia is WP:BURDEN. The university gives its address as Binghamton, and maps also show it being in Binghamton. If Binghamton University is located in Vestal, then you will need to provide a source supporting this. I'm cautioning you though, please don't edit war to add contentious, unsourced content into an article. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:24, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@Magnolia677 I have provided multiple reliable sources in the article confirming the campus' location. At least in the U.S., mailing addresses do not correspond to municipal boundaries, and as such are not reliable sources on the physical location of entities. All maps with municipal boundaries clearly show the main campus as being in Vestal. There's nothing contentious about that - even the university itself calls its main location the Vestal campus, and lists its physical address as Vestal. As such, my edit was not in any form edit warring, but rather following WP:DOREVERT to correct your mistaken assumption, and to restore content previously added by other editors that was ultimately correct. Vmanjr (talk) 13:18, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

RfC on mentiong Hunter Biden's children

My RfC is quite different from yours! The question is not if Navy Joan should be mentioned or not, the questing is if a double standard should be used or not. —Menischt (talk) 17:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@Menischt: RfCs are kind of a "big thing" on Wikipedia. If you read the instructions, they are used only when other discussions have not led to consensus. All you had to do was add your opinion to the RfC I had just started, seconds before. Your RfC question doesn't even make sense. Whatever. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't agree. Your question is the wrong one! Fundamental thing should not be the question of a limited opinion poll. I asked my question to make clear what is really a stake here, that is, should there be a double standard or not. I assume you can understand my point.—Menischt (talk) 18:10, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Update of CT alert -- American Politics post-1992

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Sockpuppetry

Hi, as you've probably noticed, Alex Gurteen, aka EpsomGentleman et al, has reappeared as JamiroquaiTopG Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:34, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

@Murgatroyd49: I noticed that too. I'll report it, and will inquire about whether a rangeblock can be done on their IP. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 09:53, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

This information is only partially true. The culprit, Alex Gurteen started editing in 2010 on the oscar1994alex1999 account, which was banned in 2012. I am his old school friend and has long been subjected to his juvenile attempts at humour. The TinyTemper account was also banned for vandalism in September 2012, before the long term account Oscar248 was set up at the end of the year. This was banned in December 2017 after Alex wrote an article about himself before quickly adding some trolling edits. The sock rampage in earnest began in early 2018, with spectacular trolling from 'do your balls hang low', to Mike Hocks Hucker (renamed Michael Hucker before too being blocked). Mr Gurteen usually edits constructively but does not possess the temperament to troll the site. He does not mean harm and is a big fan of the site. Epsomgentleman et.al (2021-present) is also Gurteen. He says he will be be editing again soon. Apologies.

Chris GorillaGardening (talk) 22:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Hawick, Minnesota

Hello Magnolia677, I came across the Hawick, MN article while searching for misspelled words and found it needed considerably more editing than spelling errors. Since you clean up community articles on a regular basis, I thought you might want to take a look at this one. Regards. Woodlot (talk) 15:27, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

@Woodlot: I'll have a look. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 19:35, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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Truth or Consequences, NM

Twice I have tried to add a trivia fact about Truth or Consequences, NM regarding professional wrestler Mick Foley - actually, his specific character Cactus Jack. I did not list him as a "notable person" and understand he is not from the town. However, the town was mentioned in his character billing/introductions; I believe it is an interesting fact for the "In popular culture" section, and worded it such that it was attributed to the persona and not the person. First it was removed for unsourced content, then for the "notable person" criteria I mentioned above. What am I doing wrong? 198.210.1.3 (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

@198.210.1.3: Could you please discuss on the article talk page? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:36, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Biden–Ukraine

Is there still an active name change request?

Not "conspiracy theory"; title change

OckRaz ^talk 06:22, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

@OckRaz: I took a peek at your arguments and you're making excellent points. I like to start discussions like that on highly biased, pro-Democrat US articles. The advantage the mob of editors there has is that they have been successful at banning most conservative media sources from Wikipedia. The left never gives up. I've had some luck using RfCs to break these log jams. This open it up to a wider, less biased group of editors. What is upsetting is that any media-literate Wikipedia reader knows the title is bizarre, and this makes readers view the project as less reliable. Hey, cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 22:51, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

can you offer advice on protecting the page of a living person from someone who seems to want to hurt them because they're on the right? william b. allen is a professor of political science. for the last three days someone has been editing to label him a "a conservative american political scientist" in the lede, even though i don't see anyone labeled a liberal american political scientist. OckRaz ^talk 22:39, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

@OckRaz: Always best to start a discussion on the article talk page, and get others involved. That way, if you do need to resolve the issue at a discussion board, there is a history of attempts to resolve the issue. I'll keep an eye on the article. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:11, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Warren County Public Library (KY) revert question

Curious why you undid the edits I made to the library's information. I am the library's Digital Content Manager. Ashleycfowlkes (talk) 17:14, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ashleycfowlkes: I reverted your edit because it was improperly sourced. In the first part of the edit, you added an external link, rather than an inline citation. The second part of the edit had no source. Please see Help:Referencing for beginners for information. Thanks for writing. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:04, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Religious affiliations Coshocton County

Hi, I saw that you had removed my modification on religious affiliations, I think it is important to put them because there are in the county (and in Ohio in general) Amish and Mennonite communities which is not necessarily common. Their presence is part of the identity of the county, it seems important to me to mention them.

Cordially

Mattathayu Mattatyahu35 (talk) 23:32, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Revision on playground article

Hello, you have reverted a recent edit of mine, on an article about space-age-themed playgrounds. Part of your reasoning was to employ a template which I had removed. The use of that template in that format in that context has two problems: first, it inserts an abbreviation into the text, which violates Wikipedia's Manual of Style; second, it prevents the hyphenation of the compound adjective "26-foot-tall" and therefore the template ought not to be used there. In addition to that, for the sake of changing one small thing, you reverted a great deal of other things, which took me a good deal of time and effort to contribute to this encyclopedia. Your characterization of my changes to the article as "trivial" is inaccurate, and my edit had greatly improved the piece. If you feel that the use of that template is indispensable, please modify the work so that the resulting text meets the criteria of eliminating the abbreviation from the flow of the text, and preserving the hyphenation of the compound article. After you have done so, I further respectfully request that you restore the remainder of my edits, which were erased by your wholesale revision of my work. Thank you. —catsmoke ^talk 20:40, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

@Catsmoke: Could you please start a discussion on the article talk page. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:41, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: Yes, I shall do so. I am going to preserve the current post's construction as being a direct address to yourself. I feel that this might be an odd type of post on a Talk page, but you will understand its nature. —catsmoke ^talk 20:45, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Equidistance

Hello, why would it not be acceptable to add the equidistance of Saratoga Springs but it would be acceptable to have it for Erie and Kalamazoo, among other places? Should this be removed from there as well.? 2600:100C:A213:E54D:99B1:77D8:9226:50B6 (talk) 00:02, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

@2600:100C:A213:E54D:99B1:77D8:9226:50B6: Thank you for writing. The reason is because this is an encyclopedia, and random "factoids" are avoided. Please see WP:NOT. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:34, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

2020 census

Calabash, North Carolina already had the 2020 census population. It didn't need a source for the lead, and the fact it wasn't sourced elsewhere is not my problem. I don't even know how to find the 2020 census population.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:26, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Go to census.gov , its the official census website Rostabunny (talk) 20:21, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Reverting edits

I have a quick question: would it be appropriate for me to revert the edits to Escambia County, Alabama‎, Elmore County, Alabama‎, Conecuh County, Alabama, Clay County, Alabama, Choctaw County, Alabama, Macon County, Alabama‎, and Blount County, Alabama unincorporated communities? They're all unsourced redlinks. While they appear to be real communities, they don't have articles yet. I know I've put some in before that were reverted as redlinks, but just wanted to run it by a more experienced editor first so as to (hopefully) avoid an argument. Thanks! Dofftoubab (talk) 03:13, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

@Dofftoubab: Thanks for writing. I know there are policies about deletion, but my concern when I look at those edits is that they are completely unsourced, which means we are trusting that the editor who added Gum Springs, Alabama, truly knows this is a real place. I often check unsourced content that has been added to articles--notable people, local waterways, place names--and have found that sometimes editors are just adding "stuff they know", but which cannot be verified. To answer your question, I almost always delete unsourced additions like this, and leave a message or warning template on the editor's talk page with a link to GNIS and a sample template <ref>{{gnis|164681|Gum Springs}}</ref>. If they are a good faith editor, they will go back and finish the job. Cheers! --Magnolia677 (talk) 09:28, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Good deal. I've definitely been on the receiving end of some of your reverts through the years (redlinks and notable people edits), but I've tried to learn from your suggestions and tips. Thanks for trying to make this website better! Dofftoubab (talk) 03:11, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Inclusion of places and landmarks in the Raritan River template

I saw this edit and the changes you had made to Template:Raritan River. I agree with you about removing landmarks, as they just happen to be in the watershed, nut added back places. I similarly reverted your edit removing the template from the article for Plainfield. I looked at Template:Hudson River, and there both places and landmarks have been listed since the template was created in 2016, with little apparent issue. I'm still not sure that I support inclusion of landmarks, but does this model change your perception? Alansohn (talk) 19:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

@Alansohn: Hey old friend. It's a wonky template, but you are correct that all the watershed templates have community and landmark details, which makes them all wonky. A "watershed" is a "drainage basin", and refers to water-related details such as rivers, streams, and tributaries. But then a bunch of populated places are added, some of which have little relevance to the watershed, such as Plainfield, New Jersey, which isn't even located near water, and only has a dinky river called "Green Brook" running through it, see [1]. All the populated places are already covered by Template:Raritan Valley navigation anyway. I think editors have been interpreting "watershed" as a large geographic area, unrelated to water. If so, what is the inclusion criteria? Why isn't Griggstown, New Jersey included? It's 12 miles from the river. And what "landmarks" should be included? What about the Griggstown Quail Farm? I'm going to make a template called "all the stuff within 20 minutes drive from Hoboken". This is one of those "interpretive" disputes that always ends in an RfC. What do you think? Magnolia677 (talk) 22:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing Template:All the stuff within 20 minutes drive from Hoboken, though I am curious if there will be separate rush hour / non-rush hour versions. Until then, I think that I could make the case that Griggstown (or Franklin Township and other places) is in the Raritan River watershed, but that the Griggstown Quail Farm is in Griggstown but has no real connection of any kind to the watershed, even if there is rainwater falling in the quail farm and working its way towards the Raritan. And (though the article has sadly been deleted), where would the Griggstown Cow fit into the equation? I still say maybe about places and a hard no for landmarks, but I can't explain Template:Hudson River which has both. Is the compromise version of Template:Raritan River something that you can work with? Alansohn (talk) 00:09, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

@Alansohn: Template:Raritan River is fine. I may start a discussion on one of the water-related forums and get some input. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:14, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm curious to see the community discussion about justifying the inclusion of landmarks on these templates. Alansohn (talk) 11:53, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

FCPS special education section edit reversal

I am a student in FCPS with an iep who has had some experience with this issue. I am sorry that I can’t get citations working, never been able to get Wikipedia article citations working.

these links below are a mix of us department of education sites, Washington post articles, and local papers and special needs advocates who have had a reliable record dealing with these issues

https://www2.ed.gov/policy/rights/guid/ocr/disability.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virginia-investigates-complaints-that-fairfaxs-online-learning-fails-disabled-students/2020/05/18/377f7fd2-992b-11ea-a282-386f56d579e6_story.html

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/placpub.html

https://specialeducationaction.com/class-action-lawsuit-filed-against-virginia-department-of-education-and-fairfax-county-school-board-alleges-civil-rights-violation-of-students-who-have-special-needs/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/11/30/fairfax-schools-disability-students-pandemic/

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/fairfax_county/special-needs-students-parents-file-suit-against-fcps-and-vdoe/article_dd5bad2c-4013-11ed-814d-1755c6563d92.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/30/virginia-idea-school-placement-disability/

https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/us-department-educations-office-civil-rights-announces-resolution-investigation-fairfax-county-public-schools-virginia-related-needs-students-disabilities-during-covid-19-pandemic

These are my sources Rabbipika (talk) 14:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Rabbipika: Thank you for writing. Please see Help:Referencing for beginners, which should get you started. If you have specific questions, feel free to ask. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:01, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

I pasted paragraph back from my previous edit and recited it hopefully I did it properly this time. If I didn’t cite it correctly can you please correct the citations with the link provided above Rabbipika (talk) 15:05, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Oops forgot to say thank you and have a good day Rabbipika (talk) 15:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Caldwell Parish, Louisiana: Government (law enforcement) Controversies

Hi. I saw that you had removed the named subsection and incidents listed, citing that the article isn't about the police department (actually the sheriff's department). While that is true, and a new page dedicated to the topic will undoubtedly be created in the future as more wrongdoing is exposed, the listed incidents did affect the parish itself (public finances, public safety, public opinion of the parish, etc.) and do belong in the article. Because there are so few incidents listed, we feel it unnecessary to create an entire new page dedicated to them at this time. Additionally, because the sheriff ultimately responsible for the listed misconduct is running for re-election, it's important to our community that these incidents remain listed on the main page so that undecided voters can make a smarter choice. These incidents remaining listed could mean the difference between 4 (or more) more years of the same misconduct, or a new and more honest sheriff who will ensure we don't have to add any more controversial incidents to the list. Edit - 00:06 UTC: If you insist that the listed content be moved to a new page, you're welcome to create that new page for us with the listed content added verbatim, and link to it in the main article. Thanks in advance.199.15.109.126 (talk) 00:07, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Vines High School Notable Alumni

Why was David Elliot undone as a notable alumni on the Vines H.S. page? He's legit, well documented via other Wiki pages on the TV and movie shows. I am in the process of establishing his wikipedia page as well. dericksc (talk) 13:26, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Also, I have found the Plano Star Courier reference article (one of several) tying Elliot to the name Fallas, Plano, school, and GI Joe. https://starlocalmedia.com/planocourier/news/g-i-joe-scriptwriter-calls-plano-home/article_79a1337c-aa08-59b8-8cb5-80562ed3fd98.html dericksc (talk) 14:02, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Per the wiki guidelines, Elliot qualifies for:

People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

• If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
• Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject.

People who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria below. Articles may still not be created for such people if they fall under exclusionary criteria, such as being notable only for a single event, or such as those listed in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.

additionally (4 works including an entire TV series)

1. The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series); or
2. The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.

dericksc (talk) 15:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

@Dericksc: Those are the guidelines for Wikipedia biographical articles, however, this person does not have a Wikipedia article. You have added this person to an embedded list that typically includes only notable people (ie. people who have a Wikipedia article). Your additions of these non-notable names have also been reverted by myself and User:Nikkimaria, so you can either write Wikipedia articles for the people you want to include (this will assure notability), or you can start a discussion on the article talk page, and gain a consensus to include the names. However, as sure as the sun rose from the east this morning, your recent edit will be reverted soon, and if you continue to edit war (after two warnings on your talk page), it will not end well. I hope this helps. Thank you for your understanding. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:01, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Richard Hanania has been published by Greg Johnson, is an accolyte of Richard Spencer, and is interested in Jonathan Bowden

I think it´s perfectly fair to describe him as part of the Alt-Right. StrongALPHA (talk) 08:15, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

jonathan bowden is connected directly with greg johnson and richard spencer and should therefor be labelled as Altright. StrongALPHA (talk) 08:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Minneapolis Featured article review

User:SusanLesch has nominated Minneapolis for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:21, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Mario Tosi

Hi,

May I add an infobox to Mario Tosi's page?

EncyloThesaurus (talk) 20:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

@EncyloThesaurus: It's a biography, so sure! Magnolia677 (talk) 21:39, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! EncyloThesaurus (talk) 21:49, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Why was my edit reverted?

Check my talk page. It wasnt a test. I was adding missing details. Is there anything wrong with this? Rostabunny (talk) 20:19, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Rostabunny: I'm not sure what edit you're talking about. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

List Of Influencer Boxing Matches

Hello Magnolia677! You said I left an edit on the List Of Influencer Boxing Matches but didn’t say what it was exactly. All I did was add events and change the names of fighters who go by different names now. Was something wrong in either of those two things? YoKaiRikishi (talk) 23:23, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

@YoKaiRikishi: Just look through the edit history on the article; it's the edit I reverted. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:27, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Why did you reverse my Oak Ridge edit?

I had the information fully referenced, and was validated by two different independent publications. Now the article reads "citation needed."

Thanks! 73.108.239.199 (talk) 21:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, the entire section was a bit too detailed, and adding too much throws off the balance of the article. Also, not everything you wrote was supported by the sources cited. And as I recall, there were some words that didn't fit well in an encyclopedia, like "famous", "wasn't a struggle", and "great deal of grit". Hope this helps. Please continue to build the article! Magnolia677 (talk) 21:46, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Request for insight

Hi @Magnolia677:,
Hope you are doing well. I was just curious of your take on this edit. I've seen lots of great editing on your part in articles concerning cities & geography and value your insight on a matter: as to whether you think I am misguided or not in framing the San Joaquin Valley article as more than a geographical feature but also as a region in human geography terms. It makes sense to me, but doesn't to the editor who reverted my edits, so I wondered if I could ask you for your thoughts on the subject. Best, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 21:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cristiano Tomás: Thanks for writing. I have to agree with you on this one, because there are so many sources that refer to this as more than a geographic region (despite GNIS calling it a "valley"). Look at Hudson Valley, Imperial Valley, Delaware Valley, and Arkansas River Valley, which all include more than just geographic features (despite none being listed in GNIS). Magnolia677 (talk) 22:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response @Magnolia677:, I appreciate it. Would you mind sharing your thoughts in the discussion here, if you have the time. Best, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 00:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Magnolia677, the folks working on the Imperial Valley article were able to do so without changing the valley infobox to a settlement one. They also don't have a list of schools or churches, which I agree with. Such lists would make it too much about the humans rather than the place. Schools and churches aren't specific to the valley topic, anyway. Binksternet (talk) 00:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Queens bordering New Jersey

I saw your edit and added a source Here that supports the claim that Queens borders New Jersey. These maritime borders can be bizarre, but it does appear that Queens and New Jersey share a border, with Breezy Point, Queens and Sandy Hook being about five miles from each other, but with the border straddling New York Harbor. If anything, Queens is closer to New Jersey than it is to Staten Island. Do I have your support for the change? Modify away. Alansohn (talk) 00:52, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

New topic

Hello, I'm 69.174.167.145. I noticed that you removed topically relevant content from a Wikipedia article. However, Wikipedia is not censored. Please do not remove or censor information that directly relates to the subject of the article. If the content in question involves images, you have the option to configure Wikipedia to hide images that you may find offensive. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Preceding undated comment added 13:30, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Toronto

Hi, I'm curious about your reversion of my update. I added three references which are currently pointed to in footnotes, so content does exist. After reversion this page is back on the "Harv and Sfn no-target errors" page.

Thanks, Andy Andy02124 (talk) 15:40, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Andy02124: I hadn't noticed the wonky referencing. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:39, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Notable Origamists reversed edit

Hi, what is it about my career as an origamist that you don’t think is notable? It’s quite insulting really. My folds are emphatic and famous within the Heaton Park community and wider area. 80.192.23.117 (talk) 21:14, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

I can confirm that Chris is extremely well known amongst the Heaton Park community for his origami skills. I have myself witnessed his skills in origami in action, and it is quite the spectacle Louis.howard2003 (talk) 21:18, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

I see that Chris has already received a whelming amount of support in what must be a difficult time for him with his origami prowess being questioned. I would just like to throw my 2 pence in and say that I have never seen folding done so effortlessly as when Chris does it. I can scarcely believe it sometimes. Mr Magnolia I strongly urge you to rethink your decision and if you have any other queries do not hesitate to contact me as I have a multi dimensional spreadsheet with your name on it with all the data to back up the claims made.

Many thanks,

Ollie 82.21.142.219 (talk) 21:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

FYI

Please don't nominate redirects at valid page titles from page move vandalism for speedy deletion, as you did at Jake Paul. You've now prevented the page move from easily being reverted. Uhai (talk) 21:18, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

You didn't have to revert the whole thing...

Hi, Magnolia. It's me again. I saw the revert you made on the San Francisco page, and you wrote that the Golden Gate Bridge image was pointing away from the city. However, I got really baffled, because you reverted everything I had put on the infobox, including the skyline, Filbert Street, etc. It took me a very long time to try and find images that would suit the cityscape, and I got really sad that you reverted everything. You could have just changed the picture of the bridge and not revert all of my edits. Please get back to me as soon as possible. Not trying to be mean or anything, I was just really confused. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 15:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@NoobThreePointOh: If I had removed or changed one of the pictures, you would have been complaining that "It took me a very long time to try and find images that would suit the cityscape", and I ruined your masterpiece. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hmm... I don't get it. Can you explain when you get the chance? NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:01, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Otherwise, do you want me to add an image of the bridge that would SHOW the city? Is that what you mean? NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:02, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Look at the article talk page. There have been many discussions about adding a collage of photos, and the consensus leans towards not adding one. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I just looked at it, and I saw that most people in that discussion are agreeing to have at least 1 to 3 images of the city in the infobox. As seen right here. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Friend, I don't run the infobox police department. If you have a collage that will so improve the article that a consensus of editors agree to keep it, then that's what it's all about...improving Wikipedia. But if your collage contains images that have been digitally manipulated so as to be factually inaccurate, and that show not one inch of the topic of the article, then you will surely be reverted again. And please don't expect other editors to fix your sloppy image choices. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:26, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Well... I can't argue about that. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 18:44, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Makes sense

I read through Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_manual,_guidebook,_textbook,_or_scientific_journal especially at number 2. Cwater1 (talk) 15:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Malls

Hi, malls have been changing to a degree and I think one necessary indicator of vibrancy is to include perhaps more than just anchor stores, how would I go about reaching this consensus? All my best. Stupidcupid6 (talk) 23:26, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@Stupidcupid6: I would start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Shopping Centers. --Magnolia677 (talk) 10:04, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. What if there are no responses? Stupidcupid6 (talk) 17:21, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for dealing with edits from this editor, who appears to scream sockpuppet at the top of their lungs. Alansohn (talk) 15:57, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Bridgeport Connecticut Places of Worship

You wrote in your reversion: "Removed non-notable list of churches; there is nothing at WP:USCITIES that supports the addition. Please discuss before adding back"

I just looked over WP:USCITIES, both visually and in a text editor using a search function for keywords. I see no mention of places of worship at all. Religion is mentioned only as a demographic. There is nothing - that I can see - that prohibits the addition and therefore there is nothing that supports the removal. Notability or non-notability with regards to places of worship is not defined anywhere in WP:USCITIES. Furthermore, I would submit that a synagogue and a church sharing the same building - one of the largest places of worship in the city - is notable. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 23:21, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tfdavisatsnetnet: Please take a moment to read WP:VNOT, which seems to cover this. Also, I have found two brief discussions about this: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline/Archive 1#Remove religion statistics from suggested topics and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline/Archive 4#Religious establishments, where the consensus seems to be to add only notable churches, or for large cities, a summary, such as the number of churches and their denomination. I looked on Google Maps and there are about 20 churches in Bridgeport. Picking one of them, and then edit warring to keep it in the article, seems WP:UNDUE. Would you consider reverting your edit until a consensus could be reached? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I will read VNOT later today. Please note that I did not intend to do anything UNDUE, if I wanted a list of houses of worship I would have put up all 20 (PS: hence why I added the 'incomplete list' template). All I was doing was trying to preserve information that had long been in the Fairfield article but no longer belonged there, because this church had relocated into Bridgeport. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 14:43, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Also, I think the charge of 'edit warring' is undue. When I reposted the change I did so after searching for and adding a better citation. I was trying to make you happy with an improvement. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 16:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tfdavisatsnetnet: I have copied this discussion to Talk:Bridgeport, Connecticut#Bridgeport Connecticut Places of Worship. --Magnolia677 (talk) 23:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Owensboro Bridge

Do you live in this area (Illinois Indiana Kentucky Tri State Area)? I've lived here for almost 30 years and I have NEVER heard it called the Owensboro Bridge. It has always been called the Blue Bridge, or rarely the Glover Cary, but never just the "Owensboro Bridge". The page title itself is incorrect as well and needs remeding. Rhatsa26X (talk) 19:22, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rhatsa26X: I was literally waiting in line for a Big Boy at the Big Dipper on Parrish, when the guy in front of me said that the wind nearly blew him off the "Owensboro Bridge". But if you feel the name needs changing, please just start a discussion on the article talk page. Articles get renamed all the time. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 22:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Was he a local or someone from outside the area? Rhatsa26X (talk) 00:04, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I have added references per Wiki policy to the name and I expect it to stay as it is Rhatsa26X (talk) 00:18, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rhatsa26X: I replaced your unreliable source, and added "Blue Bridge" to the lead. I have also left a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bridges and Tunnels#Owensboro Bridge. --Magnolia677 (talk) 10:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

That is literally the official event source for the 2024 FRC season, why did you revert

that is a fully reliable source dude, why did you revert my veterans memorial coliseum edits Sussybaker (talk) 19:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Sussybaker: The first source you used was user-generated. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Useful Holy Sepulchre pictures

Hi Magnolia. I just recently removed a homepage of an actress-turned-real estate vendor because it was pure advertisement with no information value to the actress's Wiki article. So no need to convince me about such cases. But here

1. it's a website with EXCELLENT PICTURES nobody else has, some from the current excavations!, which together are of GREAT BENEFIT TO THE USER.
2. I have no connection to the website.
3. It's in Polish, I understood nothing of the text, DIDN'T EVEN REALISE THE PICS ARE FOR SALE! So zero commercial benefit if user not Polish-speaker.

I have ABSOLUTELY no interest in edit-warring on this. I'm just firmly convinced that the pics are of great benefit for users & editors accessing from home, and I know a lot about the site and I've been editing a lot at this article. So pls, leave it in.

Thank you! Arminden (talk) 12:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Arminden: You make a good point. The IP address is from Poland, so probably this is a professional photographer who has placed all their galleries online, and then charges for high-quality downloads. WP:ADV states that external links should be based on "the immediate benefit to Wikipedia readers". If you think these galleries are a benefit, please revert. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Nina Hartley as Feminist

It is clear that the two quotes you deleted that weren't my work was odd. ALSO my quote had a proper citation. Why are you just enforcing the rules and not trying to work with people who edit the pages you police? Help me with the citations and teach me. I don't understand what is going on right now... It feels like you are grading me and I am your student which is what I am use to but then you have this interesting bias or agenda you're subconsciously pushing. I don't understand what you exactly are on this website. What do you consider your role on wikipedia to be and if you were to describe a "job description" what would it be? I don't know how to talk to you. Torah mishna (talk) 16:12, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

You were right about the sources. IDK how I lost the source I found that quotation in. I will find it once I have time but you men are on here religiously which is kind of cool. l am going to find the source again. I know bricklaying and wikipedia articles are pretty much 99% men so I hope you guy don't mind a female editor. Once I find the quote and the proper citation I will go about addressing your concerns. It seems like I have to prove my self before being allowed to edit which is totally fine! Torah mishna (talk) 22:31, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Wolf Point

This is in regards to the addition of the Assiniboine name for the town. I honestly just assumed the tribe was mentioned. It's added now. Also thank you for the additional work you did on the article! Tbennert (talk) 21:13, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

But Wolf Point is on the reservation? And the reservation is home to both the tribes. It seems natural to give some definition and clarification of which tribe/s are living in the reservation. Tbennert (talk) 21:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hoboken, New Jersey, is a stone's throw away from the Statue of Liberty, so should we add that factoid to the Hoboken article? Of course not, because it's not in Hoboken! The Fort Peck Indian Reservation has it's own article, where information about the reservation is added. Likewise, the Wolf Point, Montana article is about Wolf Point (and all things encyclopedic associated with Wolf Point). If the Fort Peck Indian Reservation's head office is 20 miles away in Poplar, Montana, why should this piece of information--which has as much to do with Wolf Point as the Statue of Liberty has with Hoboken--be added to the Wolf Point article? Magnolia677 (talk) 21:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I think simply saying which tribes are on the reservation so people don't have to switch articles is reasonable. The part about Poplar being the headquarters could be dropped. In any case, I'll find a different way to add the tribes and concede your point. Tbennert (talk) 22:29, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Tbennert: Again, Wolf Point, Montana and Fort Peck Indian Reservation are not the same thing. Demographic information about Wolf Point should only include information about Wolf Point, and not include the demographics of the township, county, state or other municipality. This is referred to as a coatrack. Please see WP:USCITIES#Demographics for details. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:00, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Removal of populated places...

"Please find a source to support this other than looking at Google Maps; a source that supports the inclusion in former townships." Like why are you all of a sudden removed my edits on adding certain minor populated places for some municipalities within Ontario? Isn't Google Maps not good enough for you? Because that's the only source I can actually find, and it looks legit to me. jlog3000 (talk) 22:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Johnluisocasio: Where does a Google Map show former townships? Magnolia677 (talk) 22:33, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Magnolia677 With all due to respect, but doesn't this link count as a source? https://ontario.heritagepin.com/ Although literally no one can't see the actual borders within Google Maps itself. However, with this site, it has some KML or KMZ format showing the boundaries of the former geographical townships within the province. Hope this helps clarify things a bit. jlog3000 (talk) 22:46, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Johnluisocasio: The link doesn't show townships, it shows counties. They're not the same. (you don't have to ping me on my own talk page) Magnolia677 (talk) 22:50, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Please lemme finish explaining my point, which I'm about to get to momentarily in just a moment. Because the last thing I need is to be dictated or imposed by some 'demands' or 'force' of outage just because I was genuinely trying to humbly add something extra that might be relevant to some extent with some of my edits. Anyways, back to the conversation in question, once you go to that link, all you need to do is click on the map on any of the counties, which would open a small tab within like 'Y county', when 'Y' is the name of that county, like in this sample of the articles of the townships I was editing, being Huron County, Ontario. Once that county is clicked, it would open a page, and that page shows the boundaries of the geographical townships (pre-merger of the 1990's) of that county; plus some others outside that county's borders as being nearby within its proximity. Later, you can click on the interactive map on any of the townships to see a small tab thing within like 'Z twp.', when 'Z' is the name of that township, like 'Morris Township' and 'Turnberry Township' for instance. Once that township is clicked, it would open a page, and that would show a small interactive map with the borders of that assigned township. Hope this helps a bit more. Any doubts, feel free to ask. jlog3000 (talk) 23:06, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Johnluisocasio: The source is a personal website that is partially sourced by user-generated content, and supported through donations. Do you have a better source? Magnolia677 (talk) 23:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Outside from that one, nope. Besides, I'm also a contributing donor on there too; because I rely on it too. jlog3000 (talk) 23:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Johnluisocasio: I'm not trying to be difficult, but some of these Canadian articles are already in bad shape, so adding content that is poorly sourced and has 10 footnotes attached doesn't really improve the article for readers. You may want to leave a message at WP:CWNBD. It's a very active board, and an editor there may suggest some good sources (please don't go there and complain about me). Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:56, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I just don't understand the fact of how some minor localities or populated places for some (or even most) articles on municipalities in Ontario are legit being felt left behind to be mentioned, and all because of a 'lack of a reliable source'. Like gimme a break. So what you mean is that they deserve to never be mentioned at all because they only shown on Google Maps, and also because no other pages (not even on each official Ontario municipality's websites) want to show them at all based on those sources? jlog3000 (talk) 10:02, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Johnluisocasio: Both WP:OR and WP:V are cornerstone policies on Wikipedia because they ensure that information presented to readers is accurate. I've tried to help. Good luck. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:14, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

How about one of these? https://www23.statcan.gc.ca/imdb/p3VD.pl?Function=getVD&TVD=1346772&CVD=1346785&CPV=35&CST=01012021&CLV=2&MLV=4 It's from Statistics Canada. On there, you click on the 'SGC Code' link to take you to the province(s), then to their 'census divisions' (i.e.: counties or regional municipalities, etc.) and then to their 'census subdivisions' (i.e.: municipalities, present-day townships, etc.). Once you click on a census subdivision's code, that could share some place names of the populated places associated with that census subdivision. If this doesn't help, I don't know what to say. jlog3000 (talk) 10:18, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Johnluisocasio: Have a look at Lake Ontario Ordnance Works (LOOW). I wrote most of the article. Now have a look at this map in satellite view:

43°12′31.96″N 78°59′34.14″W. See how Pletcher Road--which runs next to the LOOW--has a "second road" beside the main road. It was built to lessen the likelihood that trucks carrying radioactive material would smash head-on into each other. Google Maps shows it (and it's actually true). Guess why I didn't include that factoid in the article? Because no matter how hard I looked, I couldn't find a source to support it, and Wikipedia does not accept original research. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, what you explained on that example makes sense obviously. However, if Wikipedia is not the place for me to do what I had just done, despite that what I had added on my edits were accurate (even without an actual source to 'back it up'), cuz my intentions were and are and will never to be meant to cause any harm or vandalization, etc.; then what other sites similar to Wikipedia may I add the things I just did here before my edits were reverted? Any advice? jlog3000 (talk) 14:20, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hope you're doing well. But in regards with my previous response, any ideas or hints or follow-up? Which I'm still humbly and respectfully waiting for. jlog3000 (talk) 20:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Johnluisocasio: Sorry, I was at a Mega Society meeting all day. Just make sure you have a reliable source. Search Google Books. Or leave a message on the Canadian talk page. It's very active. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:40, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

May you please suggest a link on the Canadian talk page? So I can try out asking when I leave a message there? Thanks in advance. jlog3000 (talk) 21:53, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Johnluisocasio: Sure, try Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board. --Magnolia677 (talk) 22:03, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Pipestone, Manitoba

I'm wondering why you made this edit? Pipestone, Manitoba (specific version)\ In what way is the information about the land rights out of scope? Brett (talk) 01:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

@Brett: Thank you for writing. Pipestone, Manitoba, is a small community of about 300 people. Therefore, adding information about Dakota treaties--where the sources cited made no mention of Pipestone--is irrelevant to the scope of this article. It would be like adding that Punkeydoodles Corners was once part of Upper Canada. There is also no consensus to include this information at WP:CCSG and Talk:Coquitlam#RfC about First Nations land acknowledgement. --Magnolia677 (talk) 10:00, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Isn't "was once part of" different from "is part of land still claimed by"?--Brett (talk) 11:43, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

@Brett: It was just an example to show how insignificant it would be to add Upper Canada to an article about a small community. Regardless, the land claim was out of the scope of the article, and within the scope of the RfC. Magnolia677 (talk) 14:38, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Pedro Albizu Campos

Hello, could you explain (1) how the reference to the "Pedro Albizu Campos Digital Resource Collection" is "too promotional?" What is it promoting that you feel is not in accordance to Wikipedia policies? And, there was no explanation for the other edit. Unless of course if that too was "too promotional," then the same question remains; to wit, what is it promoting? Thank you. Verificatur (talk) 12:34, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Sjogren's

Hey Magnolia thanks for all you do for wiki. Only content removed was a line on history that was much inferior to the other history section already extant below. Other content was reinstated in more appropriate sections of the article. Asto77 (talk) 18:22, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@Asto77: In the future, please leave a detailed edit summary. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:25, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Apologies for unreliable sourced edits

Hey, Magnolia. First off, thanks for reverting the edit I committed with unintentional consequences. On revision 1182399928, I added two criminalized people to the equation, referring to a platform's certain policy, but I see the sources on references weren't reliable enough. Sorry about that. Darrion "Beans" Brown 🙂 (my talk page / my sandbox) 19:25, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@DBrown SPS: Not a problem! About seven years ago one of my neighbor's kids insisted I listen to his headphones, because he really loved the rapper. When I listened I blushed at the profanity-laced song. I asked who the rapper was, and later discovered they had no Wikipedia article. So, because I created Kodak Black, I get notified every time his name gets added to a Wikipedia article. Except for that, nearly every article I've created is about a ghost town or some dead guy. Hey, cheers! --Magnolia677 (talk) 22:53, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of cited, accurate information from an article

You are deleting cited information without any explanation other than "it is made up", and falsely claiming that a newspaper "doesn't exist", despite the fact that the information links to the newspaper's website. If the newspaper doesn't exist, as you have baselessly claimed, then why does this nonexistent newspaper have a website where new articles are published daily, and why are you able to subscribe to the supposedly nonexistent newspaper? And how exactly is information that comes directly from the local newspaper covering the subject in more detail than any other organization "made up"? If you are too lazy and incompetent to read what you are removing from an article before removing it, then you shouldn't be editing articles at all. Mrn5768 (talk) 19:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

@Mrn5768: My apology for not being more specific in my edit summary. The information you added is indeed sourced, but is irrelevant and unnecessary, because adding an entire paragraph about a plan to build a new high school--which was never built--is unencyclopedic cruft, and things that "never actually happened" is of little value to readers. In fact, I planned to write a long Wikipedia essay about editors who do this sort of stuff, but in the end, I never wrote it, but I'm thinking about writing an essay about the essay I never actually wrote. In other words, don't add Facebook content to Wikipedia. I'll start a discussion on the article talk page. Until then, please take a moment to read WP:VNOT. --Magnolia677 (talk) 20:45, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Canada 10,000 Challenge seventh anniversary

		The Red Maple Leaf Award
		This maple leaf is awarded to Magnolia677 for writing one article and expanding another during the seventh year of The 10,000 Challenge of WikiProject Canada. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 14:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: Hey, thanks!! Magnolia677 (talk) 21:17, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving, Magnolia677! Hope you have a wonderful turkey day! Colman2000 (talk) 19:14, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

@Colman2000: Thank you! Have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:45, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ultra, California

The article Ultra, California has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Non-notable railway point. No information about this site found, apart from the sources cited. Satellite images show a cluster of some agricultural buildings but not much in the way of a "community".

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 00:30, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Boiling Point, California

After a side tangent to a discussion here, I'm thinking this site was a gas station not a community based on some research I've down. I haven't able to find a whole lot of coverage for it as a gas station either. Since you were the page creator, I was wondering if you had any other information on this location. Also pinging Jengod. Hog Farm _Talk 06:02, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jengod and Hog Farm: Thanks for writing. A lot of us created these GNIS-sourced articles prior to the requirement that settlements must have once supported a population (with sources). I have no doubt Boiling Point was once a place, but I doubt it ever supported a population. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 11:57, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm looking for more info, and this source says it was "a hill where many radiators blew their stacks after a tedious climb." Yikes! Magnolia677 (talk) 12:02, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Bravo Magnolia. TY. jengod (talk) 18:57, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Request to comment about Ranking Lists

If you are interested, please comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline#Rankings. You don't have to comment, but if you do just state your opinion, even if it's not the same as mine. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 08:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Was I tagged as a vandal?

I was editing a page today when I was suddenly taken ill. I didn't mean to, but I hit publish without citing the source I was working from. I felt that ill. I'm very new, so I'm not sure, but did you tag that as vandalism? I logged in just now to complete what I had begun. I find parts of Wikipedia VERY CONFUSING. I don't know if there are arbitrators or people to appeal to or what's going to happen to me. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 06:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Aren't we supposed to assume good intent? Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 06:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Why I removed your comment on my talk page

With all due respect to you, I removed from my talk page the comment where you warned me away from being a vandal. I am not telling you this to goad you into a dispute; I just don't want to be underhanded and do it behind your back. I know there are malefactors vandalizing Wikipedia and countering them is crucial, but I think you were being rather too enthusiastic. I had only been gone 10 minutes. In fact, at the moment you left that message, I was still vomiting in a toilet. So I've removed it. Please contact me if I need to hear from you. In this crazy climate where everyone is polarized and people are lobbing bombs and shells at each other, I hope your holidays are peaceful and rejuvenating. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 06:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Musical settings and stage productions edits

Hi there, I saw your messages on my talk page and your reversal of the edits I have been doing yesterday, and would like to ask you about your rationale for this, and for guidance to make more appropriate contributions. The edits were of three kinds:

1) Adding settings by Kaija Saariaho of texts on the pages of the authors of said texts and/or on the page of the utilized literary work. It cannot really be argued that Saariaho, one of the most performed classical contemporary composers, NYT 'Composer of the Year' 2021, BBC 'Greatest Living Composer', etc. is not "notable" or less notable than other composers cited on those pages. Her Wikipedia page kind of speaks for itself on this level. Especially when her works were added to existing sections listing settings, there should be no reason for them not to be featured, and it's completely coherent e.g. on the Petrarch page to mention Dolce tormento in the same paragraph as Elliott Carter's Scrivo in Vento, which is not a more noteworthy or more oft-performed piece. Same goes for The Hollow Men, The Tempest, Guillaume Apollinaire, Mahmoud Darwish, Friedrich Hölderlin, in which the Saariaho settings are completely on par with the other mentioned works in terms of importance or popularity. In instances like Pentti Saarikoski where there is no other musical setting, one could argue that English-speaking readers curious of Saarikoski would be interested in the existence of the Saariaho setting of Saarikoski's poetry, that sheds more light on the subject, ditto for Saint-John Perse. Likewise, people interested in the writings of Rabbi Jules Harlow could also be interested in the existence of the Saariaho setting (which is the only existing musical setting of Harlow's work). These lists of musical settings are of general interest: they say something about an author's reception and posterity, and these kinds of lists are useful both to researchers and to artists/curators who create concert programs centered on a given author. Is this simply a matter of sourcing?

2) In some instances I have created entire sections about musical settings that didn't exist, which I think are valuable contributions. Given the important of settings of Eino Leino in Finnish music history, it is a valuable addition to have that there. I didn't think this needed to be sourced more extensively since all of the composers cited have their own Wikipedia page (and more often than not also a work catalogue page), but if that is the only issue I can add this. Same goes for Emerson that has a rich tradition of being set to music, that is otherwise not mentioned on the page. It certainly is worth listing these items. I did the same for Sylvia Plath with equally (to my eyes) valuable information about various composers, but that seems to have been after your reversal of my edits.

3) In addition to this, I see you have also reverted my addition of the performance history of stage productions of Saariaho's operas Émilie and L'Amour de loin on their respective pages. These lists also took a lot of work to compile and are a valuable resource (if you are interested in these pieces, this is an important part of their reception, and it has general informative value as it tells about the success of these operas, as few new operas get that amount of new productions). Is the problem simply that they are not sourced?

All in all, I think these additions contribute important information, and would like to keep contributing on topics of composers' settings of text and stage productions. Please advise as to how make these contributions in a way that fits the format and standards of Wikipedia. All best, Musiktheaterpedia (talk) 10:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Musiktheaterpedia: Thank you for writing. First, unsourced content needs to be sourced, as Wikipedia does not accept original research. Second, not everything that has a source, should be added to Wikipedia. I would include in that a non-notable musical composition based on a notable poem by a notable poet...being added to the poets Wikipedia article. Finally, your comment was too long to read; please start a discussion on one of the articles in question so you can get input from the community. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:21, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I will improve my contributions in terms of sourcing. What I am not sure about is how you came to the conclusion that any of the musical compositions I added can be considered "non-notable" by any standard, as per my (too lengthy) rationale above. If that is also a matter of corroborating with sources that establish notability, that is not a problem. I guess that can be left to discuss on individual discussion pages of articles, but if you are systematically removing content about Saariaho because of your opinion on her notability, I thought I might as well address it here. Thanks! Musiktheaterpedia (talk) 12:41, 18 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ]

@Musiktheaterpedia: Saariaho is notable (ie. she has a Wikipedia article), but not every single piece of music she creates is notable (ie. has a Wikipedia article). That is why I suggested you read WP:VNOT. --Magnolia677 (talk) 12:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I read that (thanks for the link!) and do get the general point, but don't see by what metric Saariaho's Dolce tormento, which is performed a lot and has literature on it (and incidentally does have an article on the Dutch Wikipedia for instance), is less notable than Elliott Carter's Scrivo in Vento (an important piece that also doesn't have its own Wikipedia article), and yet would contend that both are of encyclopedic interest and worth mentioning in a paragraph about musical settings of Petrarch's poems, being works by major composers. Same applies for each case in point (Sibelius and Saariaho setting Leino, Adès and Saariaho setting Shakespeare, etc.). But this can be discussed on individual discussion pages I guess. Much obliged for your feedback. Musiktheaterpedia (talk) 13:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC) [reply]

Sorry if my method (revert and modify) is not the correct one – I am basically changing my previous additions so as to align them with the Wikipedia standards you have listed, i.e. adding sources and removing information that cannot be sourced or established as notable. So it's not about undoing your removal as much as it is a convenient way to get hold of the originally posted edit to correct it according to your advice. Musiktheaterpedia (talk) 15:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi again, I have hopefully now removed all unsourced claims and sourced my contributions correctly; I have also started conversations in the Talk sections when notability is contentious or when notability standards of other cited works was not coherent. Thank you for your advice! Musiktheaterpedia (talk) 16:38, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Musiktheaterpedia, I see that many of your edits rely on a website called Wise Music Classical, and I'm wondering if a. there's a connection you have and b. what kind of publishing outlet that is. It doesn't strike me as a webzine, but it isn't exactly a magazine either. Drmies (talk) 15:35, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Drmies:Wise Music is the publisher of the musical works that are being referenced, and hence the most evident reference about them, including the informations about composition dates, texts that are set to music, and performances of the works, sometimes also quoting reviews. Let me know if this is not an appropriate source, but it certainly is the most complete and reliable one. I am not affiliated with this publishing house or any other website I cite. For works by composers published by other publishers I cite the relevant publisher. Musiktheaterpedia (talk) 15:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, it's not a secondary source then, and does not help towards, for instance, establishing notability. Whether it's reliable and should be used, that's another matter. Drmies (talk) 02:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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@Colman2000: Thank you so much. All the best for a happy holiday. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Editor experience invitation

Hi Magnolia677 :) I'm looking for people to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Could you please stop removing my edits?

Hello - I am not compensated as you suggested and just trying to add information on an upcoming feature film, Magnetosphere. Can you please stop removing all my work? Nrdirects (talk) 22:48, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Aztec, NM Deletions

Unconstructive: not serving to promote improvement or advancement.

You appear to have done nothing but delete large swaths of information with the predominant reason of "removing unsourced content". I reverted those deletions and added references and sources to improve the existing entry. You then immediately threaten me, declare me disruptive, and delete both the original entries and the enhancements (sources/references) again.

Exactly who is being unconstructive?

You yourself made no effort to correct or add to the entry, and on your final reversion lie about the reasons for your deletions: "These weren't removed because they were unsourced...". These statements are in writing, in the entry history; I'm just stating facts.

As a result, you can see why I might find it difficult to have a constructive conversation with someone who lie about that which is publicly documented for all to see. But I will give it a go.

*** Specific edits ***

Stating where a road ends is a logical extension of stating where a road starts, even when it is outside the community in question; this is a fundamental closure of an information loop. Your edit and rewording is wrong: 516 has a terminus in Aztec, and does not "pass through", which is a term that describes something that breaches city boundaries at more than one point.

Since you seem invested in this community's entry, would you please correct that?

'Air transportation' facilities are explicitly broken into GA and commercial sectors by the FAA, making it logical to clarify what exists in that community and what does not for both sectors. To state where commercial transportation is relative to the community is a continuation of that fact set. To only explain the existence of one sector with explanation leaves the reader to wonder: Is there commercial air transportation, or is this Wikipedia entry incomplete? Your edit simply to remove one sentence leaves the reader uniformed.

That is a goal of Wikipedia, right? To provide comprehensive knowledge?

Your insistence on remove current and historical Native American references that are legitimately part of and allowed in the template (and that I interestingly observed you deleting from other Wikipedia entries as well, e.g., Grand Rapids, MI) is also quite apparent, even if unstated. Native American history and cultural values of a community are not to be dismissed under some false pretense of 'editing'. In this community we show respect to the indigenous people who preceded others, and their names of these places.

This erasure of Native American history on Wikipedia is already known to be a problem on Wikipedia, and you appear to be contributing to this problem. I don't believe this is something Wikipedia should actively condone. If you cannot respect these cultural values, I will advise the local affected tribal nations of the situation. An encyclopedia should not be used to whitewash history.

If you are interested in having a meaningful conversation on these points I'm prepared, but I expect you to be respectful and honest. 4CornersGuy (talk) 19:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)