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About the lead sentence

WP:ROLEBIO should be respected. Doja Cat only produced 5 songs so "record producer" (which has already been included in the infobox) shouldn't be included in the lead sentence imo. It doesn't matter whether this is cited or how many times this is stated within the article. Also, I oppose the use of "singer-songwriter". Thedarkknightli (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For one:

"A singer-songwriter is a musician who writes, composes, and performs their own musical material, including lyrics and melodies"

Doja has been confirmed to have all of those things for her own stuff, in the same vein as say, Juice WRLD and XXXTENTACION.

& for two:

She is literally referenced as being a producer multiple times, her being listed as a record producer is a mundane thing to be upset about. 4TheLuvOfFax (talk) 00:08, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please list the sources that describe her as a record producer here? Thedarkknightli (talk) 01:53, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

bet

https://consequence.net/2019/11/album-review-doja-cat-hot-pink/

https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/doja-cat-hot-pink-interview-8544497/

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/doja-cat-hot-pink/ 4TheLuvOfFax (talk) 01:32, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mmm, I haven't found anything relevant in the third one; ~~I'm afraid the rest aren't reliable enough. "Record producer" has to be proved notable enough before being added to the lead sentence.~~ Thedarkknightli (talk) 12:21, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Doja Cat made her name as a producer with her early work and SoundCloud releases as a teenager (which evidently haven't been widely reported on), and even now she is credited as the executive producer and engineer on most of her current projects. Although its not a reliable source, a simple YouTube search gives you the idea, but nowadays its assumed that she hands most of her demos to professional producers to pick up on. I'd like to open a WP:RfC on this if you think its OK, 4TheLuvOfFax and Thedarkknightli. Thedarkknightli, can I also ask what you mean by not "reliable enough"? Billboard and Consequence are two of the most well-respected music publications of the digital era. I also have a couple more articles from other publications denoting her as a producer/"beatmaker" if you'd like.

I do, however, also appose the use of "singer-songwriter" since that is usually referred to people who write all their own music, whereas Doja occasionally has co-writers and co-producers. Thanks —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:28, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some singer-songwriters occasionally have co-writers and co-producers, like Taylor Swift and Adele (who are probably two of the most prominent examples of "singer-songwriters" out there). 4TheLuvOfFax (talk) 02:05, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please forget what I said about the sources 4TheLuvOfFax listed here. My bad. Sorry for being both ignorant and sloppy.

Not sure if an RfC is necessary for this cuz I've just found multiple reliable sources that describe her as a producer: here (already in the article), here, here, and here. Regards, Thedarkknightli (talk) 03:06, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

About "Mooo!"

In the second paragraph, it says "Mooo!" is a song in which she makes satirical claims about being a cow. What is she satirizing? It's humorous and nonsensical, but I don't think calling it satire is accurate. 2600:1700:5052:5000:F509:92AC:85DF:F2B7 (talk) 17:55, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Add her to West Coast hip hop musicians category, Category:West Coast hip hop musicians. 107.197.218.252 (talk) 09:31, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Actualcpscm (talk) 11:32, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have to use that picture of her at billboard women in music in March of last year? The quality is so bad.

She is looking grainy as ever and the picture looks like it was taken in the mid 90’s. Thatsoddd (talk) 17:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah the photo is terrible but she's barely presentable anymore so it makes sense to try to use something more recent. EytanMelech (talk) 21:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Better picture

While the existing image serves its informative purpose, it may not entirely align with the evolving persona and artistic direction that Doja Cat has embraced in recent times. I respectfully propose the consideration of a more recent and high-quality image, as the current representation may not fully capture the essence of her current artistic journey. Rain7105 (talk) 05:53, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 :Yeah the photo is terrible but she's barely presentable anymore so it makes sense to try to use something more recent. [[User:EytanMelech|EytanMelech]] ([[User talk:EytanMelech|talk]]) 21:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
+== Better picture ==
+While the existing image serves its informative purpose, it may not entirely align with the evolving persona and artistic direction that Doja Cat has embraced in recent times. I respectfully propose the consideration of a more recent and high-quality image, as the current representation may not fully capture the essence of her current artistic journey. [[User:Rain7105|Rain7105]] ([[User talk:Rain7105|talk]]) 05:53, 29 December 2023 (UTC)