Talk:Feminism

Merger discussion

Hello, the articles Feminism, Feminist movement and Feminist movements and ideologies obviously deal with the same subject, i.e. feminism. Fourmidable (talk) 18:44, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

They do, but the text of each is massive and mostly not redundant. They were probably split into multiple articles (especially Feminist movements and ideologies) for size. Merging them doesn't seem feasible. --Aquillion (talk) 18:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I think the movements and ideologies article is essentially a list and it could be reworked to be more listy. I can't see a rationale for keeping Feminist movement, and I would love for those who do see it to help me understand. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:00, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Aquillion and Firefangledfeathers: I'm in favor of making a list on the one hand, and a real encyclopedic article on the other. But opposed to the separation of content. Perhaps we should consider making a synthesis by removing unsourced content? Fourmidable (talk) 14:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@Fourmidable I'm in favour of merging feminism and feminist movement. I had no idea that there are two separate articles and I personally don't know what the difference is. Isn't feminism itself a movement? I think that the Feminist movements and ideologies should be kept separate as a list however. —Panamitsu (talk) 20:49, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Y Feminism is/are (a) movement(s) according to its definition, so Feminist movement=Feminism. Reprarina (talk) 08:39, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

I oppose. ※Sobreira ◣◥ 〒 @「parlez」 14:36, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Please define what feminism is and what feminist movement is. Reprarina (talk) 01:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

One is an ideology/philosophy, another is a political, activist and militant way of mandating how to organise society. ※Sobreira ◣◥ 〒 @「parlez」 20:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@Reprarina, feminism is an ideology. That ideology is shared by various movements who go about it from different perspectives and policie. Hope that helps. Reading the article on Feminist movements should show you they're not the zame. — Python Drink (talk) 22:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Seconding this distinction as someone with an academic background in women's studies and feminist theory, for whatever it's worth.

I also came here to say that the article need not divide the movements into "waves" as this is not historically accurate and is highly contested in scholarship.

I would expect that "Feminism" would cover the variety of feminist ideologies (Marxist feminism, lesbian feminism, etc.), whereas "Feminist movements" would cover political movements centering on feminism. There is a big distinction. Edenaviv5 (talk) 22:36, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2023

Three items:

In the first paragraph of the section "Sex industry", the phrase "expression and a in a woman's right to control" is wrong, possibly missing words. Should say "expression and a [missing stuff] in a woman's right ..."

In the first paragraph of "Affirming female sexual autonomy" change "readical" to "radical".

Same section, change "the right-the need!-to define" to "the right—the need!—to define" (replace hyphens with dashes) Fustican (talk) 20:26, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Pinchme123 (talk) 18:55, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Protection Level

It seems like even with the semi protection, this article still has disuptes, and edit wars. I request you extend its protection level. 74.15.254.221 (talk) 02:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@74.15.254.221 I don't see any recent vandalism so I'm unsure why that'd be necessary —Panamitsu (talk) 02:42, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry I meant to say edit wars and disputes not vanadalism. But either way, I think the protection should be extended. 74.15.254.221 (talk) 02:44, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

See WP:PROTECTION, it is only in policy to increase the protection of a page if there is disruptive editing (which there hasn't been recently). —Panamitsu (talk) 02:47, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2023

Feminism is a range of socio-political movements and ideologies that aim to define and establish the political, economic, personal, and social equality of the sexes "ADD" with nuanced focus on the social and performative constructions of gender and sexuality; gender, gender expression, gender identity, sex, and sexuality are understood through social theories and political activism. Y Feminism holds the position that societies prioritize "REMOVE" the male point of view and that women "ADD" patriarchal domination of all people treated unjustly in these societies. Ellgie (talk) 09:32, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

References

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. These changes could be controversial and seem out of line with the neutral point of view policy. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:59, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Edit request - new entry to "Further Reading"

The suffragist movement, especially in Britain in the early part of the 20th century, was an important early element that isn't given much depth in the article. There is a published work by a noted suffragist and activist of that period: Constance Lytton, who wrote about her time as an activist and whose words provide a much deeper and realistic account of suffragist esperiences. Please may her book be added to the list?

Lytton, Constance and Jane Warton (her pseudonym). Prisons & Prisoners: Some Personal Experiences. United Kingdom: originally published by George H. Doran Company, 1914.

It is available in recently published print form under ISBN-10:1539167534 (ISBN-13:978-1539167532), Publisher:CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform (September 30, 2016)

Also available as a free online book at https://books.googleusercontent.com/books/content?req=AKW5QadX11M3PSuEBR9U6Pu85sZAxBcpSE7Z6yOVJZg7didStDGG_tkNuARdsBysAHAEsZvjgxQMdCzBZE1bFPyBcqN5bL_bE-O5wK7ogNA7FzDTtdlaM1zvnQKaC8Km5rPXSElBhibe6D042CbCKpy9hsYxgX8aqBtwm676_x5FT9y7x-M-lIK-i19_p254acT7Dv1Y_e1Baehb1ysWPh8lenrNXRT8i2CMuBvGwPtlcSIqCg6VSIBHShCV6-vnA61ZpE9NCbsN Thank you. 2600:1700:EA01:1090:AD81:5718:61E8:7B02 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Your second link doesn't work, but this one does, and it contains the full text of the book. You don't need to ask here about adding something to Further reading if it's on-topic and reliable; you can just add it yourself. Mathglot (talk) 01:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC)