Talk:X Window System

Out of idle curiosity...

Will there ever be an X12? AnonMoos 21:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Unlikely -- X11 works quite well and the things people are missing can be or have been implemented in extensions. XCB vs. Xlib is far more interesting. FrederikHertzum (talk) 21:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

XCB per se is an alternate protocol (and associated interface). Xlib implements a protocol, but that's only a small part of the total amount of code. XCB/Xlib is much like Xlib (Wikipedia doesn't cover it well) Tedickey (talk) 22:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect. XCB isn't a protocol at all. It is a new C library which talks to an X server, just like Xlib, using the X11 protocol.FrederikHertzum (talk) 12:50, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

The XCB topic does in fact refer to its own "protocol". Keep in mind Wikipedia:TRUE, and provide a reliable source supporting your statement before emitting "Incorrect". TEDickey (talk) 13:55, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

That's simply not true. If you insist that it is, please provide a source for the claim that xcb is a protocol. The xcb website does not mention xcb having its own protocol.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.239.195.102 (talk • contribs) 13:00, January 4, 2023 (UTC)

Update as of 2013 -- no, there is not likely to ever be an X12. Instead, current users of X on the desktop will most likely be migrated over to one or more of Wayland (redhat), Mir (ubuntu), or perhaps even SurfaceFlinger (google android slash chromeOS). I just finished updating the competition-section of the article, with info on these competitors-slash-replacements; they also have their own wikipedia articles. There has always been competition to replace X11, but the current de facto standard xserver implementation is from X.org, and they are backing wayland as a replacement for X, at the moment. Backwards compatibility with X11 will be retained, but no X12. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 00:48, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Why intro does not clarify that X11 is a protocol?

   The X Window System (X11, or simply X) is a windowing system for bitmap displays, common on Unix-like operating systems.

X Window System is a specification which seems to have second name of X11 (whereas there exists X11 protocol which is a part of X11 specification). However the reference "windowing system" can confuse since it does state in its intro the following fact

   ...a windowing system (or window system) is software

As I have stated, X Window System is not software but specification or design description though it has a reference implementation. That did mislead me in first place and could mislead others. Shall we clarify that is it a specification? If not, I apologize and please tell me what I am missing. -- Yoratade (talk) 22:06, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

:Actually, X11 is a standard.  X-Window-System is a standard an X11 one of its versions.
Inside XWindowS you have the Xprotocol, that is like Machine Language for X, and XLibs to make programmers live easier.  Guilloip (talk) 19:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

How could one possibly confuse this with Microsoft Windows?

There's a weird archived section from 2004 about how Microsoft lawyers would sue the maintainers of X11 for the name "X Windows" (and...no...I think few lawyers would be stupid enough to do that even when that was the name, not to mention this predates Windows 1.0 so they couldn't do anything). But I don't understand why else the article would start with "not to be confused with Microsoft Windows" because everything on the article points to this not being Microsoft's Windows. Is this a byproduct of that weird section in 2004? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.201.25.34 (talk) 04:24, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@72.201.25.34 It's not uncommon to see it called X Windows, X-Windows, etc. For people less technically- (or at least less Unixily-) inclined, it's not improbable they might think anything computer-related called "Windows" is something to do with Microsoft. I'm not sure of the origin of the hatnote, but it doesn't do any harm. Getting that potential confusion cleared up immediately, without the reader getting through more of the article, is not a bad thing. Inops (talk) 17:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

VcXsrv not listed as free implementation on Windows

A reference to VcXsrv [1] in Implementation section was removed as not non-notable entry. This is strange as VcXsrv is one of the only 3 available as free implementation on Windows.

The other two are Cygwin/X and Xming. While Cygwin/X is free, opensource and kept updated, the minimum installation is 800 MB, so not suggested but in case you need also posix layer and other tools with windows. Xming on the other way come in two versions, only one (v6.9) is free/public domain/MIT licensed but it is very old, from 2007, unstable and not ready for production env. The other Xming is updated (v7.7) but proprietary licensed and payd so not free.

So most of Windows users today are using VcXsrv. This is expecially true in recent years where WSL is really common and widespread, and more and more these days that WSL got DirectX acceleration with WSLg in Win10 21H1 too.

OK VcXsrv does not have a Wiki page, but this do not do it non-notable Efa (talk) 11:24, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

In the above, the only cited source is the project's SourceForge page. In Wikipedia, talk pages aren't a reliable source, so to continue the discussion, you should demonstrate notability by presenting independent sources which could be used to develop a suitable topic TEDickey (talk) 11:45, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Here some:

https://itservices.cas.unt.edu/software/windows-x-server-vcxsrv

https://www.stat.ipb.ac.id/agusms/index.php/2019/01/15/how-to-run-graphical-linux-applications-on-bash-on-ubuntu-on-windows-10/

https://uni-tuebingen.de/fakultaeten/wirtschafts-und-sozialwissenschaftliche-fakultaet/faecher/fachbereich-wirtschaftswissenschaft/wirtschaftswissenschaft/fb-wiwi/einrichtungen-wirtschaftswissenschaft/wiwi-it/services/services/computing-asp/tools/x-server/vcxsrv/

https://www.shogan.co.uk/how-tos/wsl2-gui-x-server-using-vcxsrv/

https://www.uxora.com/unix/45-xdisplay-over-ssh-with-putty-xming-vcxsrv

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1435037/how-to-check-and-confirm-a-right-opengl-version-with-vcxsrv-for-using-ros2-rviz

https://seanthegeek.net/234/graphical-linux-applications-bash-ubuntu-windows/

https://help.cs.uwindsor.ca/mediawiki/index.php/VcXsrv

https://www.scrc.umanitoba.ca/doc/tutorial/T19_3a_xsrvputty.htm

https://www.oit.va.gov/Services/TRM/ToolPage.aspx?tid=9676

https://www.onworks.net/software/windows/app-vcxsrv-windows-x-server

https://codeyarns.com/tech/2019-05-12-vcxsrv-x-server-for-windows.html#gsc.tab=0

--Efa (talk) 14:50, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

sure - then go ahead and create a topic, so that others can validate which are reliable sources TEDickey (talk) 22:24, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

be careful not to get caught up in bureaucracy, damaging the quality of the Wiki product--Efa (talk) 10:50, 28 November 2022 (UTC)